NIKON Releasing a Medium format DSLR 50MP

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The next gen cycle will only drop prices even futher to the point where MF will become mainstream again. it's just a matter of time.

MF never was mainstream.

Yikes! Dilbert is right! Are the end times near?

 

[Loswr]

And I think you missed the part that it was from Leica saying so, not phase1 or hasselblad.

Earlier, you were asked for your own information about the MF market. I notice you failed to respond to that request.

I see no reason to doubt a Leica exec's statement about the current MF market. They're a player in that space, and as such, they'll have done a proper market analysis.

Are you saying your own analysis of the MF market has more validity than that of a manufacturer of MF systems? I suppose you also think we're laughing with you, but the truth is we're laughing at you.

 

[Loswr]

Yikes! Dilbert is right! Are the end times near?

I think that falls into the category of infinite monkeys and infinite typewriters resulting in the complete works of Shakespeare.

 

[RLPhoto]

And I think you missed the part that it was from Leica saying so, not phase1 or hasselblad.

Earlier, you were asked for your own information about the MF market. I notice you failed to respond to that request.

I see no reason to doubt a Leica exec's statement about the current MF market. They're a player in that space, and as such, they'll have done a proper market analysis.

Are you saying your own analysis of the MF market has more validity than that of a manufacturer of MF systems? I suppose you also think we're laughing with you, but the truth is we're laughing at you.

Your darn right phase1 or Hasselblad has more say about market share than someone like Leica who's system is a mere dot and blip compared to the amount of equipment avaliable and used. Theyre not that stupid to say how limited sales could be, thats bad PR. How can anyone with common sense take that quote seriously? Pentax didn't and released another MF digital body the 645z anyway.

I could care less about anyone else's opinion but quite frankly I find it really humorous that someone as the caliber as yourself would pull sales figures on MF from amazon! Haha. I can't help but laugh at that ludicrous thinking.

 

[Loswr]

Your darn right phase1 or Hasselblad has more say about market share...

Do tell...what have Hasselblad and Phase One said about market share?

Leica has on the order of seven times the market cap of Hasselblad and Phase One combined, so it makes sense that Leica has far less to spend on accurate market research...makes sense to you, at any rate.

Gear matters, but your opinion – which is completely unsupported by anything resembling facts – does not.

Go hang out with dilbert, the two of you should get along well in a world completely separate from reality. As far as I'm concerned, your total lack of business acumen makes further discussion of the future of MF in the camera market pointless, so I'm done with the conversation.

 

[Dylan777]

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The next gen cycle will only drop prices even futher to the point where MF will become mainstream again. it's just a matter of time.

MF never was mainstream.

Yikes! Dilbert is right! Are the end times near?

LOL......... ;D, that was funny

 

[RLPhoto]

Your darn right phase1 or Hasselblad has more say about market share...

Do tell...what have Hasselblad and Phase One said about market share?

Leica has on the order of seven times the market cap of Hasselblad and Phase One combined, so it makes sense that Leica has far less to spend on accurate market research...makes sense to you, at any rate.

Gear matters, but your opinion – which is completely unsupported by anything resembling facts – does not.

Go hang out with dilbert, the two of you should get along well in a world completely separate from reality. As far as I'm concerned, your total lack of business acumen makes further discussion of the future of MF in the camera market pointless, so I'm done with the conversation.

Don't think too hard neuro, you might hurt yourself because after all were not talking about MF market share because that's the only darn thing we are discussing. If the Leica MF system corked over and died tomorrow, no one would blink but when Hasselblad stopped and revived the 50 year old V-system, actual users cared. If we were discussing rangefinders, Leica has all the authority in the world but we are not.

So please when you can use some logic and not quote Leica about MF which virtually no one bought into and quoting MFD sales from amazon. It's ludicrous and I love how you pull the quote out of context everytime.

 

[AcutancePhotography]

http://nikonrumors.com/2014/08/05/no-nikon-is-not-coming-up-with-a-medium-format-camera.aspx/

 

[Loswr]

http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/08/canon-doing-market-research-on-medium-format/

Of course, Canon isn't Hasselblad or Phase One, so like Leica, Canon's market research can't possibly be accurate. :

 

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It's ludicrous and I love how you pull the quote out of context everytime.

Well, here is another quote. This one is from Chris Sandstrom, researcher and public speaker at Chalmers University of Technology and the Ratio Institute. From Göteborg, Sweden, he studies disruptive innovation and technological change and researched Hasselblad for his PhD.

This is the concluding line from his presentation on Medium Format Photography in Decline: "The medium format has been declining ever since the early 1980s and will continue to do so until there’s nothing left."

Of course, I'm sure you know more than he does.

 

[RLPhoto]

http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/08/canon-doing-market-research-on-medium-format/

Of course, Canon isn't Hasselblad or Phase One, so like Leica, Canon's market research can't possibly be accurate. :

Wow neuro this makes you look even dumber. It's a rumor at best, canon hasn't said anything, and why would they enter a market where Leica said there is no sales beyond 6000 units? Oh that's right because they know Leica is full of it and will research it anyway.

Canon didn't take Leicas word for it, because they aren't as dumb as you to keep quoting them. They also aren't saying pretentiously about a number because phase1 and Hasselblad aren't just going to give them exact sales figures.

 

[moreorless]

http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/08/canon-doing-market-research-on-medium-format/

Of course, Canon isn't Hasselblad or Phase One, so like Leica, Canon's market research can't possibly be accurate. :

Wow neuro this makes you look even dumber. It's a rumor at best, canon hasn't said anything, and why would they enter a market where Leica said there is no sales beyond 6000 units? Oh that's right because they know Leica is full of it and will research it anyway.

Canon didn't take Leicas word for it, because they aren't as dumb as you to keep quoting them. They also aren't saying pretentiously about a number because phase1 and Hasselblad aren't just going to give them exact sales figures.

I'm guessing its probably less "mistrusting Leica" and more looking into what kind of market could be created with a system that potentially offers improved functionality and/or a lower price than existing MF.

At present you sacrifice quite a lot of functionality going MF relative to Canon and Nikons best 35mm DSLR's, I remember talking to my second cousin who shoots a lot of pro travel photography and he ultimately sold his Hassleblad system and went with a 1DX for that reason.

 

[RLPhoto]

http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/08/canon-doing-market-research-on-medium-format/

Of course, Canon isn't Hasselblad or Phase One, so like Leica, Canon's market research can't possibly be accurate. :

Wow neuro this makes you look even dumber. It's a rumor at best, canon hasn't said anything, and why would they enter a market where Leica said there is no sales beyond 6000 units? Oh that's right because they know Leica is full of it and will research it anyway.

Canon didn't take Leicas word for it, because they aren't as dumb as you to keep quoting them. They also aren't saying pretentiously about a number because phase1 and Hasselblad aren't just going to give them exact sales figures.

I'm guessing its probably less "mistrusting Leica" and more looking into what kind of market could be created with a system that potentially offers improved functionality and/or a lower price than existing MF.

At present you sacrifice quite a lot of functionality going MF relative to Canon and Nikons best 35mm DSLR's, I remember talking to my second cousin who shoots a lot of pro travel photography and he ultimately sold his Hassleblad system and went with a 1DX for that reason.

Exactly what pentax is doing and is a big shift for MFD. Inversely, I sold the majority of my 35mm kit and I'm loving MFD. I would probably drop my 5d3 to an aps-c camera if I was in a pinch but I wouldn't let my Blad go so easily.

 

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Exactly what pentax is doing and is a big shift for MFD. Inversely, I sold the majority of my 35mm kit and I'm loving MFD. I would probably drop my 5d3 to an aps-c camera if I was in a pinch but I wouldn't let my Blad go so easily.

The problem Pentax seems to have is that it really doesn't have the resources that Canon or Nikon would in terms of either offering improved features or building a modern lens line-up.

The 645z has more AF points that most MF cameras for example but there all clustered around the centre because its reusing an ASPC AF system, really not much better than your typical central AF point on other MF cameras. As you've said before it lacks LS lenses as well.

With the lens selection on offer today the 645z to me clearly seems to be aimed at the landscape/macro photographer. The problem I'd say is that whilst the body is much cheaper than alternative MF the lenses are not and these markets are very price dependant, there aren't many amateur or pro landscape shooters who can afford to spend $15,000+ on their setup.

 

[RLPhoto]

Exactly what pentax is doing and is a big shift for MFD. Inversely, I sold the majority of my 35mm kit and I'm loving MFD. I would probably drop my 5d3 to an aps-c camera if I was in a pinch but I wouldn't let my Blad go so easily.

The problem Pentax seems to have is that it really doesn't have the resources that Canon or Nikon would in terms of either offering improved features or building a modern lens line-up.

The 645z has more AF points that most MF cameras for example but there all clustered around the centre because its reusing an ASPC AF system, really not much better than your typical central AF point on other MF cameras. As you've said before it lacks LS lenses as well.

With the lens selection on offer today the 645z to me clearly seems to be aimed at the landscape/macro photographer. The problem I'd say is that whilst the body is much cheaper than alternative MF the lenses are not and these markets are very price dependant, there aren't many amateur or pro landscape shooters who can afford to spend $15,000+ on their setup.

That's the thing here, Pentax or anyone who can get the 50mp Sony sensor in a affordable body with LS lenses will shift MFD back into reach of the average professional. I certainly would have bought a 645z and a pair of LS lenses assuming that pentax can also manage to make the lenses affordable too. (Which shouldn't be too hard since you can find there older LS lenses really cheap w/ 1/500th syncs.)