No New 50mm Lens Coming in 2017 [CR2]

[rrcphoto]

alot of tears here.

new 50's are certainly needed .. But a little perspective people are whining about a lens that canon will ship millions of next year, and is the first and sometimes only canon lens that people purchase. so a little bit of reality when it comes to kit lenses and their importance.

I have a feeling that people think that a new lens is developed and ready for manufacturing in their mom's basement in a few month's time.

The last that nikon was quoted anything about lens benchmarks - they stated it takes them 7 years and their goal is to try and hit 7 x 7 (7 lenses per year, taking 7 years to develop). Canon has never stated anything, but I certainly doubt it's much quicker.

So it's not as if canon (or probably anyone) can go .. oh we should have a new 50! and have it out next year. these lenses are incredibly complex and take a while to get through the development phase - especially you'd have to think it's an entirely new design, and not just a redraft of the same element design and a new frame, AF motor etc.

 

[Sabaki]

The language seems a bit ambiguous...either we're not getting announcements for any 50mm or we're not getting announcements for a L series 50mm.

I'm gonna read this as we may possibly see a 50mm f/1.4 in the next 12 months

 

[richro]

We’re expecting 4-5 lens to be announced by Canon next year, starting with the new EF-S 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 IS STM (woo!).

Can't wait for the new 18-55 IS STM! (said no one ever...)

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I thin I am the only one not missing a new 50mm. I've owned at least 50 Canon 50mm lenses over my 60 years of photography, and have 3 or 4 FD lenses laying around, and one EF 1.8 II made in Japan.

I never keep them around very long, since I find its a focal length that gets little use.

 

[PureClassA]

On one hand I'm sorta glad because I just finally bit down and bought the new 35L II instead of waiting any more after a year of whining for this thing to come out.

On the other hand... DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN!!!

 

[slclick]

I thin I am the only one not missing a new 50mm. I've owned at least 50 Canon 50mm lenses over my 60 years of photography, and have 3 or 4 FD lenses laying around, and one EF 1.8 II made in Japan.

I never keep them around very long, since I find its a focal length that gets little use.

I'm with you, if I ever use that FL it's with my 24-70 f/2.8L ll

 

[pwp]

Sigma stocks just rose a little...

-pw

 

[jeffa4444]

alot of tears here.

new 50's are certainly needed .. But a little perspective people are whining about a lens that canon will ship millions of next year, and is the first and sometimes only canon lens that people purchase. so a little bit of reality when it comes to kit lenses and their importance.

I have a feeling that people think that a new lens is developed and ready for manufacturing in their mom's basement in a few month's time.

The last that nikon was quoted anything about lens benchmarks - they stated it takes them 7 years and their goal is to try and hit 7 x 7 (7 lenses per year, taking 7 years to develop). Canon has never stated anything, but I certainly doubt it's much quicker.

So it's not as if canon (or probably anyone) can go .. oh we should have a new 50! and have it out next year. these lenses are incredibly complex and take a while to get through the development phase - especially you'd have to think it's an entirely new design, and not just a redraft of the same element design and a new frame, AF motor etc.

The company I work for designs & builds lenses (to a higher standard than Canon & lower volume) and it doesnt take us 7 years to design & manufacture a lens and we dont have anywhere near the resources Canon has (they are considerably more in cost though). When we design we do it as either a short set or a full set because we want commonality of certain parts to reduce costs and lower the overall stock of those parts not just in manufacture but as spares. Canon Im sure try to use common parts all mass market manufacturers try to do so and with over 120M EOS lens made its in their interest to keep standards high and keep ahead of competition and in some areas thats not the case the EF50 f1.4 being a good example of a lens past its best.

 

[dsut4392]

I thin I am the only one not missing a new 50mm. I've owned at least 50 Canon 50mm lenses over my 60 years of photography, and have 3 or 4 FD lenses laying around, and one EF 1.8 II made in Japan.

I never keep them around very long, since I find its a focal length that gets little use.

If you don't use them, why do you keep buying them? Or are they all relics from the first 40 years of your photography career when it was often cheaper to buy a kit including the standard 50 than to buy a body only? I actually like 50mm focal length, but although I have a few old Olympus OM 50s, I have only owned one (Sigma 50/1.4 EX) since DSLRs became a thing, because the kit lens is usually a zoom.

 

[Haulien]

Would love a sharper 50mm f/1.0.....

The f/1.4 needs a serious update also.

No matter the aperture, I'm curious if they're gonna try and match the Zeiss Otus/Sigma Art lenses for wide-open sharpness and colour.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

a 50mm 1.0 would be great, maybe the price would be more great than nice. Make it optically reasonable at 1.0 , good at 1.4 and excellent at 2.0, add IS and it would be the last ever needed 50mm

At f1.0 you wont need IS....it will magically create light in places that look dark.

 

[GMCPhotographics]

I think this lens, more than any other, will be a struggle for the designers / management to agree on. At some point, and we may have reached it, if all you do is make perfectly clinical lenses, then the artistry will have been lost completely. I hope they decide to retain the nature that has made the 50L - the 50L - and only improve CA and give some critical sharpness @ F1.2 which isn't there like it is with the 85Lii. I do understand the rumoured 85Liii 1.4 IS because that has to be the monied portrait lens for 5DSR type megapixel cameras (I own a 5DSR and sold the 85Lii for the Tamron 85 1.8VC because of the VC), and the 35Lii is already amazingly sharp at F1.4 so the wedding 35/85 crowd will have what they need - but Canon should attempt to keep the 50L being more artistic and less clinical imo.

That's the combo I'm moving to. The Tamron is a really underrated lens, and the new 35L II is Canon's best in a while.

Speaking as a wedding photographer...no one needs a 50mp+ camera at weddings. I sell the odd A1 print, but it's rare and the current 20+mp are more than adequate. The current 35/85 combo have been my staple shooting kit for years and I don't see much need at the moment to side-grade.

 

[unfocused]

I think I am the only one not missing a new 50mm...

I'm with you, if I ever use that FL it's with my 24-70 f/2.8L ll

I'm also no fan of the focal length. Even back in the days when every camera came with a 50mm lens, I hardly ever used it once I bought a 24mm. In those ancient times, I had a 24 for everyday use, a 35 f2 when the light wasn't good enough for the 24mm and a 135mm for portraits.

Honestly, zooms are so good today that I think people would be surprised at how few primes of any focal length Canon sells.

 

[rrcphoto]

alot of tears here.

new 50's are certainly needed .. But a little perspective people are whining about a lens that canon will ship millions of next year, and is the first and sometimes only canon lens that people purchase. so a little bit of reality when it comes to kit lenses and their importance.

I have a feeling that people think that a new lens is developed and ready for manufacturing in their mom's basement in a few month's time.

The last that nikon was quoted anything about lens benchmarks - they stated it takes them 7 years and their goal is to try and hit 7 x 7 (7 lenses per year, taking 7 years to develop). Canon has never stated anything, but I certainly doubt it's much quicker.

So it's not as if canon (or probably anyone) can go .. oh we should have a new 50! and have it out next year. these lenses are incredibly complex and take a while to get through the development phase - especially you'd have to think it's an entirely new design, and not just a redraft of the same element design and a new frame, AF motor etc.

The company I work for designs & builds lenses (to a higher standard than Canon & lower volume) and it doesnt take us 7 years to design & manufacture a lens and we dont have anywhere near the resources Canon has (they are considerably more in cost though). When we design we do it as either a short set or a full set because we want commonality of certain parts to reduce costs and lower the overall stock of those parts not just in manufacture but as spares. Canon Im sure try to use common parts all mass market manufacturers try to do so and with over 120M EOS lens made its in their interest to keep standards high and keep ahead of competition and in some areas thats not the case the EF50 f1.4 being a good example of a lens past its best.

except what you describe is something that canon wouldn't be doing. for starters, they would have to procure the patents, designs, pass it through legal as far as the various countries that it would be sold in, finalize the design, parts, etc. prototype, finalize production, train qa, and test centers worldwide for it's release,etc,etc.

there is most certainly a finite amount that canon can do in a year, even if you look at it over the years, around the max has been 5-6 a year - unless there was common elements to the designs.

but regardless of the duration.

the whining about a lens that will be used by millions as early as next year versus a 50L that will be made in small batches and sold and never hit the same volume of scale?

While replacing the 50's is important .. it's quite foolish to dismiss the importance of the kit lenses.

 

[KiagiJ]

NoooooooooooooooOOo00ooo. Over a year more having to live view focus the sigma on my 1dx2 as the piece o shit doesn't viewfinder focus right. Awkward ass candids. NoooOoOO00ooo

 

[Alex_M]

oh, there are so many alternatives to that Sigma lens you are dislike that much!
Tamron 45 1.8 VC, Dustin Abbott swears by it. etc.

NoooooooooooooooOOo00ooo. Over a year more having to live view focus the sigma on my 1dx2 as the piece o S___ doesn't viewfinder focus right. Awkward ass candids. NoooOoOO00ooo

 

[infared]

I have my Sigma Art...so I don't care. 8)

 

[JMZawodny]

I don't consider this to be bad news. I have the Sigma Art which I have tweaked with the dock and camera body AFMA. It is a solid performer. Canon would be wasting its time to equal that performance and I think they know that. Very interested to hear that an f/1 may be in the works. I'd be very interested in that. An F/1 along with a solid f/1.4 (perhaps with IS) would be a reasonable response to the current crop of 3rd party 50mm offerings. Canon should take the time required to produce a superior 50mm.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Canon discovered long ago that low cost manufacturing was the key to success and profits. The AE-1 was a landmark of this philosophy. It was very good, not necessarily the best, but they could afford to have a huge advertising campaign, and make big bucks that others could only dream of.

They continue to design products with a goal is to have that it performs well and has a high volume of sales.

This philosophy has put them on the top of the food chain, and they continue to pinch every penny. This benefits the buyer by giving him a reliable product that has excellent support, but has a less than state of the art design because of the cost to manufacture sensitivity.

There is a huge amount of competition, and for some products, having the best state of the Art product does mean profit. The 70-200mm L for example, that is a huge cash cow.

 

[ranplett]

I thin I am the only one not missing a new 50mm. I've owned at least 50 Canon 50mm lenses over my 60 years of photography, and have 3 or 4 FD lenses laying around, and one EF 1.8 II made in Japan.

I never keep them around very long, since I find its a focal length that gets little use.

Clearly you don't keep them around long (except for the 3 or 4 FDs), you buy them on average every 1.2 years! And if you don't use them much, why have you owned so many? Contract obligations?