Off Brand: Nikon Announces the D4S

[Northstar]

To those who say "Canon is not innovative," can now boast of Nikon innovation with ISO 409600. I do not know what use it but the marketing arrange one.

That's what caught my eye, too, and as someone who uses ISO 102400 on my 5DIII all the time, I might have to sell all of my Canon gear to get the D4S. I think it will really help with my upcoming series - Coal Mines by Matchlight. If I accidentally run into some methane, this might be my last post

lol

 

[bdeutsch]

I thought you were doing A Bat's Eye View series

That's what caught my eye, too, and as someone who uses ISO 102400 on my 5DIII all the time, I might have to sell all of my Canon gear to get the D4S. I think it will really help with my upcoming series - Coal Mines by Matchlight. If I accidentally run into some methane, this might be my last post

Both of these posts made my day, and it's not even noon yet. going to be a good day...

I agree ... who knew someone could actually be funny in a forum post?! (Particularly in another Canon vs. Nikon thread.)

Thanks! ;D


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[Famateur]

That's what caught my eye, too, and as someone who uses ISO 102400 on my 5DIII all the time, I might have to sell all of my Canon gear to get the D4S. I think it will really help with my upcoming series - Coal Mines by Matchlight. If I accidentally run into some methane, this might be my last post

I thought you were doing A Bat's Eye View series

LOL...I see a new gallery thread for showing off super high ISO: BIF - Bats In Flight

"What, noise? No, that's the swarm of bugs the bats are feeding on..."

 

[Rienzphotoz]

If I'm not wrong, Nikon is the only company that went back on their Megapixel count in their flagship cameras and went nuts on increasing MP count on their "second best" cameras.

In the year 2008
Nikon released a 24.4 Megapixel Full Frame D3X Camera (at that time it was their flagship camera)
While their second best camera D700 only had 12.1 Megapixel

In the year 2012
Nikon decreased the megapixel count on their flagship camera D4 (replacing D3X) by over 65% to only 16.2 MP.
But their "second best" camera D800 (replacing the D700) got a 300% increase to a whopping 36 MP

During this period, (after all this crazy increase/decrease business), they screwed up their flagship speedlite SB900 and "third best" DSLR D600.

As much as I like using some of their products, their logic baffles me ... so I stayed away from their 36 Megapixel business and bought the D610 instead.

After having used a few brands, I feel the Canon 5D MK III is the most balanced camera of any manufacturer ... for me it is the PERFECT all rounder DSLR.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

I seem to be in the minority of people who still get excited by increasing maximum ISO speeds. But can someone explain, why/how is it possible that the difference between maximum base ISO (25600) and extended is 4 stops, whereas in Canon cameras (the 1DX/5D3 at least) it is just 2? Does it make a practical difference? Is it just another means of notating it? In my experience (300D->50D->5D3) the highest usable ISO is 1 stop below maximum base ISO (depending on what you're using it for). So extra extended settings would be irrelevant. Is Nikon different?

The range of uses ISO standard real analog signal amplifiers in each stage (100, 200, 400, etc.). The expanded ISO range is the same as Photoshop / Lightroom just pulls exposure digitally generating artifacts and random noise difficult to clean.

I've heard conflicting reports on this - some people say digital amplification is sometimes used within the non-extended range. But if you're correct, there's no advantage to having 4 extended stops over 2, right?

Indeed 1DX Canon camera is the one that has individual analog amplifiers for the intermediate ISO (ISO 125, 160, 250, 320, etc.). In all others, the ISO intermediaries are also digitally pulled or pushed. So ISO 125 ​​on the 1DX has much cleaner image than ISO 125 ​​on 5D Mark iii, even at ISO 100 noise is the same for both cameras.

 

[pdirestajr]

All the talk about the Canon 1Dx vs the D4/s , and referring to one as "king" is just silly. These are cameras made for professionals that use their system of lenses. Talking about "Canon Camp" just sounds like geek fanboys with lots of disposable income that graduated from arguing over Marvel vs DC and Xbox vs Playstation.

 

[thepancakeman]

All the talk about the Canon 1Dx vs the D4/s , and referring to one as "king" is just silly. These are cameras made for professionals that use their system of lenses. Talking about "Canon Camp" just sounds like geek fanboys with lots of disposable income that graduated from arguing over Marvel vs DC and Xbox vs Playstation.

You're right, it's silly to argue, because clearly Canon, Marvel and Playstation are the best. ;D

 

[Rienzphotoz]

All the talk about the Canon 1Dx vs the D4/s , and referring to one as "king" is just silly. These are cameras made for professionals that use their system of lenses. Talking about "Canon Camp" just sounds like geek fanboys with lots of disposable income that graduated from arguing over Marvel vs DC and Xbox vs Playstation.

I always find it funny when people come up with words like "lots of disposable income" etc ... the "lots of disposable money" did not grow on trees, it is hard earned money that people spend on the gear they like ... nothing wrong if they "argue" about their gear of choice ... but reducing/comparing it to some "Marvel vs DC" comics shows little or no understanding of why like minded people come to forums such as CR ... if anything those kind of words show a lame/false attitude of "I'm better than everybody else".

 

[Maui5150]

I seem to be in the minority of people who still get excited by increasing maximum ISO speeds. But can someone explain, why/how is it possible that the difference between maximum base ISO (25600) and extended is 4 stops, whereas in Canon cameras (the 1DX/5D3 at least) it is just 2? Does it make a practical difference? Is it just another means of notating it? In my experience (300D->50D->5D3) the highest usable ISO is 1 stop below maximum base ISO (depending on what you're using it for). So extra extended settings would be irrelevant. Is Nikon different?

They could extend it 100 stops if they want. Big question is... how useable / how noisy is it?

Just because the camera says it can do 409600 ISO does not mean you would be happy with it. Until we see what it looks like at these high ISO, only then can we judge what is useable.

From what I have seen out of the 1Dx, some of the high ISO images are actually quite good.

Would be interesting to see if the Nikon can capture anything close to this at 25600

 

[canon1dxman]

There's a £400 off special offer on the D1X from one UK retailer until Saturday. Nikon did this with the D4.....I wonder......?

 

[tron]

All the talk about the Canon 1Dx vs the D4/s , and referring to one as "king" is just silly. These are cameras made for professionals that use their system of lenses. Talking about "Canon Camp" just sounds like geek fanboys with lots of disposable income that graduated from arguing over Marvel vs DC and Xbox vs Playstation.

You're right, it's silly to argue, because clearly Canon, Marvel and Playstation are the best. ;D

;D ;D ;D The only comparison that would be hard for me is Warner Bros vs Disney (Looney Tunes vs. Mickey, Donald, etc) ;D ;D ;D

 

[Rienzphotoz]

There's a £400 off special offer on the D1X from one UK retailer until Saturday. Nikon did this with the D4.....I wonder......?

I wonder if £400 makes any big difference in stopping people from jumping ship (from Canon to Nikon) ... I mean people who buy such an expensive camera usually have bag full of L glass and assuming if Nikon did come up with a superior camera, I don't think people with that kind of investment would jump ship ... and I don't think £400 discount will make any difference in such a scenario.

 

[RGomezPhotos]

It was a major let-down from the rumored specs. They upgraded the image processor for an extra ISO stop. Sounds like a firmware upgrade could've done that....

1DX is still King.... And won't be replaced until 2015 at the earliest....

 

[Aglet]

To those who say "Canon is not innovative," can now boast of Nikon innovation with ISO 409600. I do not know what use it but the marketing arrange one.

That's what caught my eye, too, and as someone who uses ISO 102400 on my 5DIII all the time, I might have to sell all of my Canon gear to get the D4S. I think it will really help with my upcoming series - Coal Mines by Matchlight. If I accidentally run into some methane, this might be my last post

if you have G.A.S. ...

 

[Rienzphotoz]

;D ;D ;D The only comparison that would be hard for me is Warner Bros vs Disney (Looney Tunes vs. Mickey, Donald, etc) ;D ;D ;D

Why so hard? Mickey is better/smarter then Donald ;D ;D ;D

 

[tron]

;D ;D ;D The only comparison that would be hard for me is Warner Bros vs Disney (Looney Tunes vs. Mickey, Donald, etc) ;D ;D ;D

Why so hard? Mickey is better/smarter then Donald ;D ;D ;D

They are both Disney so no comparison! The comparison I mentioned was Warner Bros vs Disney!

 

[canon1dxman]

There's a £400 off special offer on the D1X from one UK retailer until Saturday. Nikon did this with the D4.....I wonder......?

I wonder if £400 makes any big difference in stopping people from jumping ship (from Canon to Nikon) ... I mean people who buy such an expensive camera usually have bag full of L glass and assuming if Nikon did come up with a superior camera, I don't think people with that kind of investment would jump ship ... and I don't think £400 discount will make any difference in such a scenario.

I totally agree. What I was getting at was that many UK dealers were offering £400 trade in against the D4, just before the D4S was outed by Nikon so I wondered if this was something to confirm that an announcement was coming in March.

 

[cellomaster27]

The D4s is an upgrade from the D4.. I think enough for people to sell their D4 to get the D4s. But I must say/agree that the 1Dx is still on top. I never doubted that the 1Dx was lacking and it shows that Nikon isn't up to snuff with Canon's flagship. 8) But I'm really wondering what the ISO capabilities are.. a new sensor! not from the D4 and Df! 400k is RIDICULOUS. Doubt that'll be flattering but 100k iso?? or even 50k iso might be really good. and DR.

 

[tron]

The D4s is an upgrade from the D4.. I think enough for people to sell their D4 to get the D4s. But I must say/agree that the 1Dx is still on top. I never doubted that the 1Dx was lacking and it shows that Nikon isn't up to snuff with Canon's flagship. 8) But I'm really wondering what the ISO capabilities are.. a new sensor! not from the D4 and Df! 400k is RIDICULOUS. Doubt that'll be flattering but 100k iso?? or even 50k iso might be really good. and DR.

We will have to see RAW comparisons. Plus, the max native ISO of 1Dx is 50K and D4s' is 25K...

 

[abouho]

The D4s is an upgrade from the D4.. I think enough for people to sell their D4 to get the D4s. But I must say/agree that the 1Dx is still on top. I never doubted that the 1Dx was lacking and it shows that Nikon isn't up to snuff with Canon's flagship. 8) But I'm really wondering what the ISO capabilities are.. a new sensor! not from the D4 and Df! 400k is RIDICULOUS. Doubt that'll be flattering but 100k iso?? or even 50k iso might be really good. and DR.

We will have to see RAW comparisons. Plus, the max native ISO of 1Dx is 50K and D4s' is 25K...

I can provide RAW comparisons between the 1DX and D4 if anyone is interested.

As a person who owns both, I find the Nikon to be far superior in terms of noise performance at high ISO settings and focus tracking during high speed bursts, among other things.

The fact that Nikon improved ISO performance and auto focus should be putting Canon under pressure but unfortunately, the 1DX looks better on paper, and that's what most people seem to care about more than anything.