Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II

[Khalai]

Fact is Canon could have included better features into the cam.
Give it more than a great AF.

Such as a 150,000-pixel RGB+IR metering sensor, perhaps? :

well that´s again great help for tracking AF i guess.

as far as metering goes, i never had metering problems with my canons.
so it´s a solution for a problem i don´t have.

canon is perfecting features that are in the cameras already and that´s ok.
but there are things that could have made it into the camera.
focus peaking, zebras, 4k, wifi, RT controller etc.

that´s mostly stuff cheaper cameras offfer. :-\

I'm just wondering at what occasion would a sport/wildlife photographer needed focus peaking, zebras or 4K video. I get that it should be included "just because the other ones do", but in reality, would those features mean anything to the main target group this camera is intended for?

 

[Loswr]

canon is perfecting features that are in the cameras already and that´s ok.
but there are things that could have made it into the camera.
focus peaking, zebras, 4k, wifi, RT controller etc.

that´s mostly stuff cheaper cameras offfer. :-\

There are lots of things cheaper cameras offer...most importantly, though...they're cheap.

Focus peaking and zebras? I've never had any trouble achiving proper manual focus in Live View, so those are solutions to problems I don't have. I have no need for 4K video, either... A built-in RT controller would be nice, but as I'd use a FF camera for studio work regardless, not too much help there, either. WiFi, I could take or leave.

I guess things that are important to you aren't important to everyone, and the same goes for things that are important to me. Canon could choose to put everything and the kitchen sink into their cameras, and maybe have menus as byzantine as some of those cheap cameras.

Canon knows their target market well...

 

[123Photog]

I guess things that are important to you aren't important to everyone,

no doubt about that.

but when cheap cameras offer these features and it would make MORE people happy.... what keeps canon from including them?

 

[Loswr]

I guess things that are important to you aren't important to everyone,

no doubt about that.

but when cheap cameras offer these features and it would make MORE people happy.... what keeps canon from including them?

Unnecessary feature clutter. Additional development costs and time. Increased complexity of writing and maintaining firmware.

One trivial example...orientation linked AF point, nice feature. Present on several cameras before the 1D X. Somehow on the 1D X initial firmware, enabling that setting 'broke' AFMA (caused it to fail to recognize previously AFMA'd lenses), a relatively unrelated function.

The more stuff you put in, the more stuff you have to test. Or...should test. Canon does a good job of supporting their cameras after release, including some major feature upgrades via free firmware, something not all manufacturers do.

 

[hawkigrad]

Long time lurker here:

Any particular reason why nobody considers this camera for wedding photography as opposed to sports? I have used the 7D along side my 5D for years. It typically has my 70-200 F2.8 attached and I grab it for shots from the back such as ring exchange or if I'm relegated to the back of a church. Rarely do I ever have to exceed 1/60 F2.8 ISO 1600 which provides decent enough quality for those types of shots. Certainly I could use the 5D Mark III for this but the reach would not be long enough for the 200MM F2.8 I need for low light and cropping those shots would give around 10mp which might be pushing it for a 12 x 12 album spread.

For me the better low noise shots compared to the 7D as well as dual memory card slots alone is enough reason to upgrade but I'll certainly benefit from the better AF in low light and for moving subjects as well. Anyone else planning on using the Mk II for weddings?

 

[rdc]

lol, thanks for your input.

"The EOS 7D Mark II delivers refined and detailed EOS movie image quality with
Full HD 60p (59.94 fps NTSC), and even 50.00 fps (PAL), recording at ISO values up to
16000 (Dual Pixel CMOS AF is not available when shooting at 60p). At these frame
rates, even a fast-moving subject looks looks smooth in HD."

It's mentioned along with 16,000 ISO. Is it only non-functional while using high iso? Or not at all in 1080 60p?

I should have clarified more, I should have known you'd be sitting on here all day waiting for it!

mhm.... no DPAF at 60p would sure suck.

Forgive me as I continue to rant, this isn't directed at our discussion but more-so just a public rant.


Seemingly another feature that they have all the capability in the world to add, but won't because it creates a conflict with the cinema eos line. I asked Canon on their FB page with no detailed response yet, I can't believe more people aren't up in arms about this. Fine, leave out 4k - I don't need it but a big attraction to this camera for me (as a photographer and cinematographer equally) was the 1080 @ 60 AND Dual Pixel AF, can't find that type of camera anywhere near this price. I would have never imagined they would leave out the functionality of the two together. Glad I read the details before pre-ordering.

IKIK, it's not made for video, it's made to shoot f*in birds. Why? My original 7d was probably made for the same thing, but I've used it successfully for video work for 3 1/2 years now.

-The C100 AF is only in the center, and it only shoots 24. I really like using the 7d Mark I in 720 @ 60 for wedding dance stuff and just about everything actually. Slow-mo is dramatic and my customers like it, whether it be wedding or sports. Not to mention c100 is a bit out of my budget.
-The 5d iii has no AF and no 1080 at 60. Going to have same issues with 6d (although my photos will be drastically better)
-The 70d was amazing, but just not enough low light performance for the dance floor stuff.

Time for a dedicated video camera I guess, maybe I'll scoop a 5dii for photo specific purposes and If I sell my car I can buy the new Sony fs7!

 

[Quest for Light]

rdc... canon has researched the market and your are irrelevant. a minority.

same as landscape shooter or people who like wifi.
every 120$ P&S has wifi now but canon flagship APS-C... no.

canon is for birders and pros on the sidelanes with 200-400mm or 600 f4 lenses.

that is why i bought a nikon for landscapes.
could not be more happy.

 

[fragilesi]

rdc... canon has researched the market and your are irrelevant. a minority.

same as landscape shooter or people who like wifi.
every 120$ P&S has wifi now but canon flagship APS-C... no.

canon is for birders and pros on the sidelanes with 200-400mm or 600 f4 lenses.

that is why i bought a nikon for landscapes.
could not be more happy.

Not sure how to break it to you . . . but Canon do make other cameras.

 

[StudentOfLight]

What do you guys think of the quoted battery life - 670 shots... you could theoretically run a battery dry in well under 2 minutes. When you take into account that you have a jpeg buffer of 1090, you'll run out of battery/CF-memory before the camera slows down. For some reason I predict a spike in Canon battery grip sales come November.

 

[rdc]

I just don't understand that. If my assumption is correct, this feature is purposely left out. How much more would it cost to produce the 7dii with AF in 1080@60. It's there in 720@60.

Making a camera for a specific purpose is great, but if you can sell more cameras with more features - for little or no extra cost .... why not?

I'm not talking about 4k, or 5d DR. They've clearly added some serious video features to this camera, why not leave it out completely if it's for shooting birds?

Apologize if this is all redundant in this thread, I just need to vent somewhere. May follow you to Nikon btw....

Edit: and who said some birders wouldn't need 1080 @ 60 with af?

 

[Quest for Light]

rdc... canon has researched the market and your are irrelevant. a minority.

same as landscape shooter or people who like wifi.
every 120$ P&S has wifi now but canon flagship APS-C... no.

canon is for birders and pros on the sidelanes with 200-400mm or 600 f4 lenses.

that is why i bought a nikon for landscapes.
could not be more happy.

Not sure how to break it to you . . . but Canon do make other cameras.

oh yes..?

like the 5D MK3 that offers me as much as a 5D MK2 as landscape shooter?

there was no UPGRADE path for me, that´s why i choose Nikons D800E.

 

[AcutancePhotography]

Time for a dedicated video camera I guess,....

An interesting question.

Has the technology for both evolved to a point where it is becoming impractical for one body to be able to offer both photographers and videographers all the capability they want?

Could a business case be made to Canon to make a camera that focuses (pun) on giving the customer the best technology for photographs and make a recorder that does the same thing for videographers?

Each product optimized for its specific customer base.

I think there will always be a desire for a single system that does both. But for those customers who want optimized performance, would two systems be a viable solution?

In my case, I have no interest in video. I don't mind my camera having video capability as long as the photographic capability (image, body design, controls) are not compromised.

My fear is that camera manufacturers, in their desire to be all things to all customers, may start making cameras that do both, but neither as well as it could be done.

 

[rdc]

I can't disagree with you there.

I just feel like a enormous number of 7d users were using it for video. Not a clue what ratio we have there(7d video users/7d wildlife&sports users), but I'm also a very passionate surf photographer. The 7d was an incredible tool for both. They've continued to develop video features for the 7dii yet leave out some important ones. Again, I'm not talking about 4k or C100 Dynamic Range. We have new AF tech in video with the mark ii, new to the Canon DSLR line all together. Is this tech just a natural progression for Canon or a piece they spent serious time and effort developing?

On a positive note, I'm very excited to try/rent it for sports photo, it's going to be pretty cool to have 10fps.

I'm just sayin' - instead of pushing me out of the back of the truck, they could have sent me an e-mail or something. jk.

 

[fragilesi]

rdc... canon has researched the market and your are irrelevant. a minority.

same as landscape shooter or people who like wifi.
every 120$ P&S has wifi now but canon flagship APS-C... no.

canon is for birders and pros on the sidelanes with 200-400mm or 600 f4 lenses.

that is why i bought a nikon for landscapes.
could not be more happy.

Not sure how to break it to you . . . but Canon do make other cameras.

oh yes..?

like the 5D MK3 that offers me as much as a 5D MK2 as landscape shooter?

there was no UPGRADE path for me, that´s why i choose Nikons D800E.

As long as you're happy . . .

 

[Loswr]

What do you guys think of the quoted battery life - 670 shots... you could theoretically run a battery dry in well under 2 minutes. When you take into account that you have a jpeg buffer of 1090, you'll run out of battery/CF-memory before the camera slows down. For some reason I predict a spike in Canon battery grip sales come November.

Battery life is according to CIPA standards. I don't know about the specific parameters, but they're conservative. That's particularly true if you shoot bursts. My 1D X is rated for ~1100 shots, when shooting bursts I have taken >2000 shots and had 65-70% remaining battery capacity.

 

[Khalai]

there was no UPGRADE path for me, that´s why i choose Nikons D800E.

Good for you. Are you happy with it? What's the problem then?

 

[sanj]

This camera is going to be a big hit...I might sell my 5d3 to buy this.

I doubt if that would be wise.

 

[ajfotofilmagem]

For me the better low noise shots compared to the 7D as well as dual memory card slots alone is enough reason to upgrade but I'll certainly benefit from the better AF in low light and for moving subjects as well. Anyone else planning on using the Mk II for weddings?

Welcome to the forum.
I consider 7D Mark ii possibly a good camera for wedding photos. However, if someone want to shoot weddings at night without flash, 6D seems more appropriate.

 

[slclick]

This is a niche product. It's only for shooting an Animal Wedding at a Motorsports event in Moab.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Fact is Canon could have included better features into the cam.
Give it more than a great AF.

Such as a 150,000-pixel RGB+IR metering sensor, perhaps? :

well that´s again great help for tracking AF i guess.

as far as metering goes, i never had metering problems with my canons.
so it´s a solution for a problem i don´t have.

canon is perfecting features that are in the cameras already and that´s ok.
but there are things that could have made it into the camera.
focus peaking, zebras, 4k, wifi, RT controller etc.

that´s mostly stuff cheaper cameras offfer. :-\

I'm just wondering at what occasion would a sport/wildlife photographer needed focus peaking, zebras or 4K video. I get that it should be included "just because the other ones do", but in reality, would those features mean anything to the main target group this camera is intended for?

When shooting wildlife videos.