Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II

[Woody]

I have personally compared the EOS-M and the sony a6000 side by side since and overall i still prefer the EOS-M about the only aspect I saw the a6000 better the EOS-M was iso 100 shadow recovery, high iso was a wash, AF was not much different the a6000 seems to lock nice and quick but most shots were out of focus and i find with the right lens the EOS-M performs pretty well in servo mode. certainly better than the a6000 did anyway as far as sharp keepers go.

Thanks for this highly important info.

I find it highly disturbing the A6000 AF is this poor. I actually have similar encounter with the OMD EM-5 but dare not bring it up 'cos folks will think I am crazy. ;D I attributed it to the slow EVF response when the subject moved.

Good to know the grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side. ;D

I am still waiting for EOS-M3 with DPAF and EVF. Guess M3 with 22 f/2 lens will be better than the best compact camera (incl. G7X, LX100 and RX100M3) out there.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Frankly Neuro, Sporgon, DTaylor, Private and many others have been remarkably patient in responding and refuting your claims, as well as in presenting alternative views.

Frankly, at least one of the 'remarkably patient' and 'fair' bunch tried, seemingly behind the scenes in league with a moderator, on another website to silence anyone who dared to bring up any aspect that Canon was not best at while spouting out and out lie after lie and tried to get it arranged that anyone who said Canon wasn't the best at everything would get banned for two weeks.

And, frankly, some of the 'remarkably patient' bunch here toss around veiled or otherwise insults all the time and at least one posts stuff that he is too smart to know is true and more often posts stuff that is knowingly misleading and then turns around and mocks others all while acting like they are taking the high road.

Maybe some of us have become monsters here, but most of us were pushed and tweaked and mocked for a long while first. Granted it's better to resist, but I guess it's easy to become a monster yourself after having dealt with monsters for along time.

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

lamenting Canon's supposed lack of DR and extolling the virtues of Exmor

See there you go again. Here you try to bring up doubt that Canon is behind in DR or that even if they are that it could ever mean anything. And yet when you finally get called out and backed into a corner as in your post later on, you are like "who me? fanboy? nobody here ever tries to admit that Exmor doesn't have more DR"

So which is it??? You try to have it both ways for everything. Mock and snipe and make fun of people, but always the guy who takes the high road. Play down, hide, deny differences in anything Canon is behind in, aside from here or there when you post some high and mighty post about how nobody ever does such things and of course nobody claims that Canon is best at every last single thing and then you are right back to it again.

Maybe I've become a little bit of a jerk poster here and there at times more and more and go on about things and maybe some other too, but after years of BS and mocking and sniping, sorry for becoming a monster too and sorry for getting sick of some trying to purposefully astro-turf forums and mislead at times.

 

[AmselAdans]

...better than any soap opera...

 

[Loswr]

lamenting Canon's supposed lack of DR and extolling the virtues of Exmor

See there you go again. Here you try to bring up doubt that Canon is behind in DR or that even if they are that it could ever mean anything. And yet when you finally get called out and backed into a corner as in your post later on, you are like "who me? fanboy? nobody here ever tries to admit that Exmor doesn't have more DR"

So which is it??? You try to have it both ways for everything.

There is a difference between 'Exmor has more DR than Canon' and 'Canon doesn't deliver enough DR'. There's a difference between 'Exmor allows better low ISO shadow pushing than Canon' and 'Canon sensors deliver poor IQ'. In each case, the former is a statement of fact that is generally accepted here, the latter is a judgement based on an individual's personal needs and values. Some people just can't understand or accept that their own needs and values aren't statements of fact with which everyone must agree.

That's not 'having it both ways', that's the ability to distinguish between fact and opinion.

 

[Eldar]

Some people just can't understand or accept that their own needs and values aren't statements of fact with which everyone must agree.

Interesting statement. So, turning the argument against yourself, are your needs and values statements of fact, or are they merely your opinion? Do you have a problem accepting that your needs and values, and how you express them, are not shared by Everyone else? Do you represent a majority or a minority?

 

[Loswr]

Some people just can't understand or accept that their own needs and values aren't statements of fact with which everyone must agree.

Interesting statement. So, turning the argument against yourself, are your needs and values statements of fact, or are they merely your opinion? Do you have a problem accepting that your needs and values, and how you express them, are not shared by Everyone else? Do you represent a majority or a minority?

My opinions are just that - opinions. Everyone is entitled to their own, obviously. I tend to value mine above those of others (after all, they're mine for a reason!), although I certainly listen to the latter. Everyone is also open to having their opinions criticized. I have no expectation that anyone else must share or accept my opinions...they're opinions. I do expect people to at least acknowledge facts...I provide supporting evidence in many cases.

I use Canon...so in that sense I'm part of the majority of dSLR buyers. In many other ways, I'm in the minority...and that's fine by me.

 

[pierlux]

...better than any soap opera...

...which, after the 1000th episode, becomes queasy.

I normally stay out of this kind of debates which usually ends up leaving each quarreler even more deep-rooted in his own opinion. But it somehow hurts me seeing those who I, by now, consider teachers and friends, having read literally thousands of their posts for years (I know the opposite is obviously not true - considering me a friend I mean - since I post so rarely, although having been "here" since the very beginning of Canon Rumors back in 2008), endlessly bickering over the same argument thread after thread. What I fear is that someone of the contenders could feel offended in the long run and cancel his membership. Well, as I said, I'd be really sorry about that, my dear teachers and friends (let me steal Surapon's adage for once ).

I love this forum, nobody at present is anything near to what Mikael or Canon F1 before him were, please let's not make anybody become looking like they were. Just stop arguing unpleasantly. Please!!!

We could have tons of stuff to talk about, yet I see no threads or discussion, other than transient mention, about what I think are really amazing features of the 7D2, i.e. its auto-ISO capability which even beats that of the 1DX. Or the most sophisticated intelligent viewfinder ever. Or the 150kpixel RGB + IR metering sensor which also beats that of the 1DX. Now these are the features I'd like to read about, being discussed in this forum, not sensor tech or DR. Of course I could start a thread myself on these features instead of waiting for someone else to do it, but there's a reason I write so few posts: I'm terribly slow in writing, plus I'm so busy reading all of yours that I've got too little time left .

Now we have THIS sensor inside the 7D2, it's an amazing sensor, could it become better if we talk about it? Of course no. Could it have been better? Maybe yes, but it's no use complaining now. Will Canon sensors evolve in the future? Sure they will, we don't know when, maybe when the pixel density will necessarily increase due to pressing competition, and it will come at a cost. The 7D2 is cheap when accounting for the features it offers, I really expected a higher price point, so I'm pleasantly surprised, actually.

We still don't know for sure if and how the 7D2's sensor is somehow different than that of the 70D. Apparently, IQ is only very very slightly, almost unnoticeably, better (at least to my eyes, but I may be biased because I'd really like things to be this way) at top ISO. We need a real head to head 7D2 vs. 70D comparison to objectively see any difference, i.e. RAW files taken at the same time with identical lighting and all the other possible variables being absolutely equal, which are not yet available.

I have a few months before deciding whether to purchase the 70D or the 7D2 and I'd like all of you guys influence my decision with your debates in a positive, constructive way, as it has always been.

Peace!

 

[Eldar]

...better than any soap opera...

...which, after the 1000th episode, becomes queasy.

I normally stay out of this kind of debates which usually ends up leaving each quarreler even more deep-rooted in his own opinion. But it somehow hurts me seeing those who I, by now, consider teachers and friends, having read literally thousands of their posts for years (I know the opposite is obviously not true - considering me a friend I mean - since I post so rarely, although having been "here" since the very beginning of Canon Rumors back in 2008), endlessly bickering over the same argument thread after thread. What I fear is that someone of the contenders could feel offended in the long run and cancel his membership. Well, as I said, I'd be really sorry about that, my dear teachers and friends (let me steal Surapon's adage for once ).

I love this forum, nobody at present is anything near to what Mikael or Canon F1 before him were, please let's not make anybody become looking like they were. Just stop arguing unpleasantly. Please!!!

We could have tons of stuff to talk about, yet I see no threads or discussion, other than transient mention, about what I think are really amazing features of the 7D2, i.e. its auto-ISO capability which even beats that of the 1DX. Or the most sophisticated intelligent viewfinder ever. Or the 150kpixel RGB + IR metering sensor which also beats that of the 1DX. Now these are the features I'd like to read about, being discussed in this forum, not sensor tech or DR. Of course I could start a thread myself on these features instead of waiting for someone else to do it, but there's a reason I write so few posts: I'm terribly slow in writing, plus I'm so busy reading all of yours that I've got too little time left .

Now we have THIS sensor inside the 7D2, it's an amazing sensor, could it become better if we talk about it? Of course no. Could it have been better? Maybe yes, but it's no use complaining now. Will Canon sensors evolve in the future? Sure they will, we don't know when, maybe when the pixel density will necessarily increase due to pressing competition, and it will come at a cost. The 7D2 is cheap when accounting for the features it offers, I really expected a higher price point, so I'm pleasantly surprised, actually.

We still don't know for sure if and how the 7D2's sensor is somehow different than that of the 70D. Apparently, IQ is only very very slightly, almost unnoticeably, better (at least to my eyes, but I may be biased because I'd really like things to be this way) at top ISO. We need a real head to head 7D2 vs. 70D comparison to objectively see any difference, i.e. RAW files taken at the same time with identical lighting and all the other possible variables being absolutely equal, which are not yet available.

I have a few months before deciding whether to purchase the 70D or the 7D2 and I'd like all of you guys influence my decision with your debates in a positive, constructive way, as it has always been.

Peace!

A rare (don´t see you much), but excellent speech!

 

[Sella174]

Finally Canon releases the camera we should have had years ago. Now for the (weather-sealed) EF-S L lenses to match ...

 

[zim]

And just like Neuro, this was one of my most frequently used mode

Zone AF was your most frequently used mode? What types of photography are you doing? For my wildlife stuff, I use spot AF / AI servo with my 7D almost exclusively. I have trouble enough getting the focus I want with that and can't see how zone AF would work.

No no, not Zone AF . Zone AF doesn't let you choose the initial AF point. The mode that Neuro and I were talking about is Automatic AF Point Selection (yes, the one for people who don't really care about what should be in focus). And when you are in Automatic AF Point Selection AND AI Servo, you can select the initial AF point for tracking (I know, it is not really intuitive, and may be that's why the feature's been there for 5 years and still is ignored by some). The advantage of this mode is that all the AF points are used for tracking, so when the subject quits the initial AF point, the other points will take care of it.

YMMV, but I'd avoid using Spot AF combined with AI Servo. Spot AF uses a narrower area for acquiring focus, so it is slower to acquire focus, and it is more difficult to keep the subject within that (narrower) area.

Here are some photos I took with my 7D and my 100mm L Macro, I wish I had the 1D X/5D III and the 70-200mm f/2.8 II L IS for these situations, but that was all I could afford

I just learned a bunch of stuff there marinien thank you

Regards

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

lamenting Canon's supposed lack of DR and extolling the virtues of Exmor

See there you go again. Here you try to bring up doubt that Canon is behind in DR or that even if they are that it could ever mean anything. And yet when you finally get called out and backed into a corner as in your post later on, you are like "who me? fanboy? nobody here ever tries to admit that Exmor doesn't have more DR"

So which is it??? You try to have it both ways for everything.

There is a difference between 'Exmor has more DR than Canon' and 'Canon doesn't deliver enough DR'. There's a difference between 'Exmor allows better low ISO shadow pushing than Canon' and 'Canon sensors deliver poor IQ'. In each case, the former is a statement of fact that is generally accepted here, the latter is a judgement based on an individual's personal needs and values. Some people just can't understand or accept that their own needs and values aren't statements of fact with which everyone must agree.

That's not 'having it both ways', that's the ability to distinguish between fact and opinion.

suuuure

and don't forget your buddy Keith today was posting all over here today in other threads about how the extra DR is a joke and is only needed by incompetent photographers who always miss the exposure and who have no post-processing skills and that the only point and use for more DR is to overcome poor photography skills of incompetent users.

 

[East Wind Photography]

lamenting Canon's supposed lack of DR and extolling the virtues of Exmor

See there you go again. Here you try to bring up doubt that Canon is behind in DR or that even if they are that it could ever mean anything. And yet when you finally get called out and backed into a corner as in your post later on, you are like "who me? fanboy? nobody here ever tries to admit that Exmor doesn't have more DR"

So which is it??? You try to have it both ways for everything.

There is a difference between 'Exmor has more DR than Canon' and 'Canon doesn't deliver enough DR'. There's a difference between 'Exmor allows better low ISO shadow pushing than Canon' and 'Canon sensors deliver poor IQ'. In each case, the former is a statement of fact that is generally accepted here, the latter is a judgement based on an individual's personal needs and values. Some people just can't understand or accept that their own needs and values aren't statements of fact with which everyone must agree.

That's not 'having it both ways', that's the ability to distinguish between fact and opinion.

suuuure

and don't forget your buddy Keith today was posting all over here today in other threads about how the extra DR is a joke and is only needed by incompetent photographers who always miss the exposure and who have no post-processing skills and that the only point and use for more DR is to overcome poor photography skills of incompetent users.

Aye. I don't much appreciate Keith's assumptions that all problems are the result of idiot photographers who don't know how to take a photo or process one in post, or that no one has ever tried Capture One or more advanced NR tools and techniques.

One thing we can assume is that our chances are better at taking a once in a lifetime photograph if we weren't here reading and posting on these forums.

 

[icassell]

When do you suppose Canon will put the manual for the camera up on their website? Will they wait until actual release or will we be able to read it (for those of us who actually read the manual ) while we wait? What have they done with this in the past; I can't recall?

 

[DominoDude]

The information that, so far, is found on CDLC --> http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/dlc/tags/eos_7d_markii_tag/tagItemsListing.spr

I believe the URL will continue to fit as they post more articles. (As long as they tag properly.)

 

[DominoDude]

Oh, and the manuals that are available are here --> http://www.canon-europe.com/Support/Consumer_Products/products/cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_7D_Mark_II.aspx?type=manuals

 

[sfunglee]

Seeing the 7DMii have many upgrades, as the highest specs of APS-C class DSLR of Canon family...

The new / upgraded sensor 20.2Mp from 70D to 7DMii is much cleaner...

I'm doubt when will the new / upgrade sensor will be replace into 80D or 90D???

Those days when 7D is launched, it is pairing with 40D / 50D... The 60D inhibit the 7D sensor while 70D have most 7D system indeed better in terms of cleaner & sharper images

Should i buy 7DMii or wait for 80D to upgrade my old 7D???

 

[East Wind Photography]

lamenting Canon's supposed lack of DR and extolling the virtues of Exmor

See there you go again. Here you try to bring up doubt that Canon is behind in DR or that even if they are that it could ever mean anything. And yet when you finally get called out and backed into a corner as in your post later on, you are like "who me? fanboy? nobody here ever tries to admit that Exmor doesn't have more DR"

So which is it??? You try to have it both ways for everything.

There is a difference between 'Exmor has more DR than Canon' and 'Canon doesn't deliver enough DR'. There's a difference between 'Exmor allows better low ISO shadow pushing than Canon' and 'Canon sensors deliver poor IQ'. In each case, the former is a statement of fact that is generally accepted here, the latter is a judgement based on an individual's personal needs and values. Some people just can't understand or accept that their own needs and values aren't statements of fact with which everyone must agree.

That's not 'having it both ways', that's the ability to distinguish between fact and opinion.

suuuure

and don't forget your buddy Keith today was posting all over here today in other threads about how the extra DR is a joke and is only needed by incompetent photographers who always miss the exposure and who have no post-processing skills and that the only point and use for more DR is to overcome poor photography skills of incompetent users.

Aye. I don't much appreciate Keith's assumptions that all problems are the result of idiot photographers who don't know how to take a photo or process one in post, or that no one has ever tried Capture One or more advanced NR tools and techniques.

One thing we can assume is that our chances are better at taking a once in a lifetime photograph if we weren't here reading and posting on these forums.

Indeed. They are also better when it isn't rainy and stormy outside. Which, as it so happens, has been the case for several days here in Colorado now. When it's clear, I'm out doing photography, one way or another. It's just been a crazy year for weather, and a poor year for birds. Wildlife has still panned out pretty well, though.

Sounds like you are ready for a high iso, weather sealed, high frame rate camera so you can go out in that weather and take photos! I would be more inclined to take a 1700.00 camera out in it than a 6000.00 one.

 

[icassell]

Geeesh. This focus guide alone is going to keep me busy for ages. Lots to learn before November!
http://www.canon-europe.com/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/EOS_7d_mark_ii/index.html

 

[dufflover]

The new / upgraded sensor 20.2Mp from 70D to 7DMii is much cleaner...

umm wut?

I'm doubt when will the new / upgrade sensor will be replace into 80D or 90D???

oh please god don't drag out this sensor for another 5 years (as much as I like some of the practical features like DPAF)