Photography - Equipment or Skill ?

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In my humble opinion, It will take ALL three: Talent, hardwork (skill) and equipment. There are a lot of good photographer. But not that many great photographer. I know I may start another contraversial discussion here. Give a medium range camera to the average people and teach them how to take picture. He or she can become a good photographer, if he or she will work hard enough. That is what I mean by hardwork and skill. However, in order to become a great photographer. He will need talent. I known some posters here do not believe in talent is being burn with. I am a firm believer that talent is being born with. Our brain is just like any other part of the body. Every body have different physical appearence, height, eye color, hair color etc. Our brain is also different. So people will be born with different talent.
As for Equipment, It also play a very important role. Most of the time, it will determine if it is a good picture or a great picture. Also it need the right equipment to do the right job.
Ansel Adam will be a good example. No body will argue that he is not talented and not hard working. He use huge view camera. He needs the detail, almost zero gain for the picture. His equipment can never be used by any sport photographer. No matter how talented the sport photographer is.
So great photography is talent, skill and equipment, not necessarily in the exact order. They are just like the three legs of a three legged stool. Some poster may say that if you have talent, you will have skill. That is for another discussion.
However, to be a good photographer, you still need skill and equipment
 
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Rocky said:
I known some posters here do not believe in talent is being burn with.


You may be talking about me; if so you're partially correct. I think this discussion is fairly important because these ideas affect the way we move through life, and how we treat others, as well as how we treat ourselves. I absolutely agree that we're born with differences. Some you mentioned above, others I'll note here:
  • Some males are born with a genetic condition that gives them a diminished ability to distinguish between green and red
  • There is speculation (so far, I believe, not accepted by the scientific community) that some females are born with an enhanced ability to discern color.
  • Some are born with hearing deficiencies, or even completely deaf; others have conditions that give them superior hearing (e.g. Williams syndrome)
  • Some are born with genetic defects that prevent them from developing full cognitive abilities, e.g. Down's Syndrome or autism. (Yes, I know autism isn't purely genetic, but there's a strong correlation)

But the notion of "talent" does not refer to a mere enhancement of one, or even a small number, of normal abilities, it is much more complex than that. For most people, "artistic talent" refers to some predisposition towards creating works that are perceived, by a subjective audience, as having certain very desirable qualities. Let me motivate my argument with a few examples:

  • Consider some of the "talented" 20th century abstract painters: how would their works have been perceived in, say, pre-Renaissance Europe? They would have been considered childish scratchings, and the "artists" would have been advised (or compelled) to take up another line of work.
  • How about the singing of Robert Plant? Is that talent or noise?
  • How about the many artists who were not beloved until after their death? Their contemporaries judged them to be without (much) talent.
  • Now how about yourself, Rocky: I gather from your writing that you're not a native speaker of English. (Let me digress briefly to say that I wish I could write in any foreign language as well as you write in English.) Do you write English imperfectly because you don't have talent for it? How about me? I don't speak, for example, Mandarin. I could probably learn some, but would never be fluent enough to pass the "telephone test." Do I not have a talent for it? If you had been born in an English-speaking country, you would be fluent, and I would be fluent in Mandarin if I had been born into that language.
That's enough preamble, now on to my argument: as a practical matter, "talent" is merely a skill that you learned without knowing it. Could there be some genetic predisposition? Quite likely, but we have no way to know. Because the final product is such a blend of innate ability, early learning, developed skill, life experience, opportunity, and even interest, there is simply no way to extract that element called "innate talent," and hold it up to the light for all to admire. In a sense, "talent" is only recognizable in hindsight. If we see someone who creates a piece we like, we can say he is "talented." If we see a child who shows promise early in life, but never advances beyond a certain stage, we can say "he wasted his talent." The problem is we really don't know either of those for certain. Furthermore, if we see a middle-aged woman who has struggled and given great effort to create art, but never succeeded, we may say she lacks talent. But what, then, if suddenly she starts to create high-quality work? This does happen, though not frequently because many would eventually give up on something they find too challenging. Would we then say that she always had the "latent talent" (I just love that anagram) but needed the opportunity to express it? What if she had died or given up before she developed those skills? She would have been judged to be without innate talent.

To repeat and summarize: as a practical matter, the judgment of talent can only be done in retrospect, as in "he has not yet shown talent for photography." You can't really say "he will never..." because there are some people who do show ability later in life. Furthermore, if you now ascribe to those late-bloomers the quality of "latent talent" then you find yourself in a logical fallacy. (This particular fallacy is known as the "no true Scotsman fallacy" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman)

Why is this important, and why have I wasted half an hour writing about it? Because art is about enjoying and appreciating life, in its many different aspects. It simply does not matter if a certain person doesn't create admirable or compelling photographic images, it's only important that he/she enjoy the process of trying. Personally, I believe most people are born with "artistic talent," but circumstances take each in a different direction. As regards photography I'll repeat a quote someone else posted recently:

"A camera is a tool to teach you how to see without a camera." Dorothea Lange

Really, that's what matters.
 
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Good post Orangutan. You're right, this is an important topic and I think you make some very good points.

Quite a lot of research has been done on the subject of innate talent, with interesting results. I happen to think photography is one of the more accessible artistic disciplines out there where most individuals would be able to develop a high level of skill given time and effort.

Even in significantly more challenging areas some of the research out there argues that it takes roughly 10,000 hours of practice to become world class in a discipline and much less to become highly skilled. Of course, it has to be the right kind of practice, but the argument is practice is a more significant contributory factor to the level at which one excels in a skill than this idea of talent.

http://cogprints.org/656/1/innate.htm
 
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Thanks for the comments, and also for the link. I haven't read it yet, but it looks interesting. Unfortunately, I think this thread is dead -- would be nice to have some folks tell stories about how they became interested in photography, and how they developed their photographer's eye.
 
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I don't know if anyone's mentioned it, but I think personality/ people skills and confidence are just as or more important than skills/ talent and equipment. If you're very likeable and you really believe you are a good photographer then you will be successful. Unfortunately I think this is something that is difficult to learn if you don't have that kind of personality.
 
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MazV-L said:
I don't know if anyone's mentioned it, but I think personality/ people skills and confidence are just as or more important than skills/ talent and equipment. If you're very likeable and you really believe you are a good photographer then you will be successful. Unfortunately I think this is something that is difficult to learn if you don't have that kind of personality.

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MazV-L said:
I don't know if anyone's mentioned it, but I think personality/ people skills and confidence are just as or more important than skills/ talent and equipment. If you're very likeable and you really believe you are a good photographer then you will be successful. Unfortunately I think this is something that is difficult to learn if you don't have that kind of personality.

People skills probably do help, especially if you're photographing people... ;)

As for believing you are a good artist (photographer, painter, musician, etc.), from what I've read, the best ones usually don't think they're very good. That's what drives them to become better, or cut their ear off! (Okay, extreme example!) OTOH, those who already believe they are good, might not try as hard. Why should they? In their minds, they're already good!
 
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Wow, what an interesting thread, and so many different perspectives. I have to say I pretty much agree with everyone, which may sound odd, but I really found that everyones opinions are valid on this, even though they are completely different.

The most important thing about the gear you use to take pictures is that it is what you like to use. Regadless of whether its an iPhone of a plate camera, it is your enjoyment of using it that will make the pictures great.

The best thing I was ever told about cameras I think still holds true, the best camera is the one you'll use the most. These days if I'm not at work it's my iPhone. I though I'd add some color to the thread, since we're talking about pictures, this snap was with my iPhone of the evening hike with the pups a couple of weeks back.
 

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