Possible Canon EOS R7 Mark II Specifications

No, the working distance from the front of the lens to the subject would be way too short for skittish insects like dragonflies and butterflies. Cropping is no substitue for a long RF macrolens.
This is where the RF 100-500 and 100-400mm are so good. It's just great to have a lens you can use for both birding and dragonflies on a hike. Put a 2xTC on the RF 100-500mm and you have a good 1000mm for long distances and x0.6 at about 1m for dragonflies and butterflies. Although the 200-800mm is my favourite for birding, it's second fiddle to the RF 100-500mm on many occasions.
 
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No, the working distance from the front of the lens to the subject would be way too short for skittish insects like dragonflies and butterflies. Cropping is no substitue for a long RF macrolens.
This makes me VERY jealous of Sony boys with the new TC compatible 100mm Macro. Or would it still not cut it?
This is where the RF 100-500 and 100-400mm are so good. It's just great to have a lens you can use for both birding and dragonflies on a hike. Put a 2xTC on the RF 100-500mm and you have a good 1000mm for long distances and x0.6 at about 1m for dragonflies and butterflies. Although the 200-800mm is my favourite for birding, it's second fiddle to the RF 100-500mm on many occasions.
Interesting, I have a couple of butterfly shots taken with the 200-800 but environmental rather than closeup macro. I won't ever justify an additional 100-500 for myself, but am seriously thinking about the 100 Macro. I have to dig deeper to understand what floats my boat...
 
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This makes me VERY jealous of Sony boys with the new TC compatible 100mm Macro. Or would it still not cut it?

Interesting, I have a couple of butterfly shots taken with the 200-800 but environmental rather than closeup macro. I won't ever justify an additional 100-500 for myself, but am seriously thinking about the 100 Macro. I have to dig deeper to understand what floats my boat...
Consider the RF 100-400mm. It's one of the bargain kings, and small, light and versatile.
 
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This makes me VERY jealous of Sony boys with the new TC compatible 100mm Macro. Or would it still not cut it?

Interesting, I have a couple of butterfly shots taken with the 200-800 but environmental rather than closeup macro. I won't ever justify an additional 100-500 for myself, but am seriously thinking about the 100 Macro. I have to dig deeper to understand what floats my boat...
Adding a TC to a 100mm macro lens on a APS-C camera will increase your chances of not disturbing a dragonfly or butterfly by coming too close.
I have the RF 100-500mm which can be used for getting close up shots, but I prefer the EF180mm macro + 1.4 extender (on full frame, R5 Mk II) since you can get real close with a cooperating subject. The RF 300mm f4 macrolens from this patent application would be an instant buy.
 
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You serious with that 3rd party on Canon APSC? Bruh.... Also it's wildlife body and Canon have many high end glass for that porpoise good enough for 40mp apsc sensor.

Maybe people want to photograph more than porpoises with their APS-C cameras. And I don't just mean dolphins or whales. Maybe they want to shoot landscapes or portraits or street life too.
 
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You're missing the 1.6x crop factor. Even if the resolution remains the same as the R7, if you're shooting small/distant things (birds, planes, Kriptonians) that's a lot more pixels on subject. Most likely, this will be Canon's target customer base. I don't really see them trying to compete with either Sony or Fuji in this regard. Sony's a6XXX APS-C cameras are rangefinders and less appropriately suited to action/wildlife and Fuji's tends to cater more towards those interested in the aesthetics of the camera and their jpeg picture profiles.
Its alllllll about those Kriptonians man... :)
 
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I don’t get your point. Every Canon Lens fits this. You don’t need dedicated APS-C lens to make it work.
Fullframe lenses are fine for tele lenses. But when it comes to standard and wideangle lenses, fullframe options are generally way bigger and more expensive than dedicated crop-lenses.

Canon APS-C system seriously needs something equivalent to 24-105 on a fullframe (so 15-70mm 'ish).
But maybe there's actually hope for getting a crop-lens like that:


The 16 years old EF-S 15-85mm is still the most used lens on my R7 (Sigma has some nice crop lenses too, but nothing that really can replace this for me).
 
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Not stacked with 40fps isn't a good idea. Unless the 15fps mechanical shutter stays(and no shutter shock), I rather take lower MP stacked CMOS.
The chances of this camera getting a fully stacked sensor are effectively zero. Stacked sensors are hard to make and require fabbing separate layers that are then literally physically stacked on top of each other. Canon couldn't even be bothered to give the R6 III a non-stacked BSI sensor, I'll be surprised if they go to that effort for the lower price & higher volume R7 II. Another ~33mp FSI sensor seems most likely.
 
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Is it important to have a fast sensor to prevent rolling shutter? I am not a bird / sport shooter but would assume this camera could be useful to that market but with fast moving subjects it seems like a faster sensor would be better.
Yes but only really if the birds are moving (I've generally only done perched/static bird shots so it wouldn't be an issue).
 
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If you are often reach-limited and generally cropping to APS-C and below, a 39 Mpx sensor is a huge advantage over a 34-30 Mpx FF with almost twice the linear resolution under optimal conditions.
It's the "optimal conditions" that's the issue. Diffraction limiting will start early on an APSC with ~39Mpx. That's just under 3 micron pixels. Good for resolution, if the lens performs ...
 
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It's the "optimal conditions" that's the issue. Diffraction limiting will start early on an APSC with ~39Mpx. That's just under 3 micron pixels. Good for resolution, if the lens performs ...
I wrote "optimal" to give the upper limit. Under suboptimal conditions, you still get varying degrees of extra resolution, from nearly none at the real extreme to nearly twice. The diffraction limited aperture for a 39 Mp sensor is f/4.7, as opposed to f/5.2 for the R7. DLA is not a sharp cut off but there is a progressive decrease in what can be resolved as you approach it. There are several posting here who use the RF 200-800mm on the R7 at f/9, nearly 2 x the DLA on not the sharpest of lenses, because they squeeze out more detail than on their FF bodies. An f/4 lens would bring out closer to the best.
 
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Does a r7ii with this resolution and the rf100 macro negate the need for a long macro lens (working distance)? AF and fps would support handheld usage
The R7 with the RF100 already works very well in that way. I have used it the past three years for handheld macro photography of insects and flowers, using autofocus most of the time. So the mark ii will be even better in this respect and I am look forward to it.
 
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No, the working distance from the front of the lens to the subject would be way too short for skittish insects like dragonflies and butterflies. Cropping is no substitue for a long RF macrolens.
For butterflies and dragonflies you don't need/want a macro lens. I have used the R7 with the RF 100-400 mm lens for that and it works great.
 
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Maybe YOU do not want or need a macro lens, but please do not tell me what I want (or need).
I suspect "you" is meant as the royal you, as in "a person of the community in general". In which case, the statement probably holds. The EF 300 IS f/4 L plus an extender (some image quality impact) or spacer (no image quality impact) has been used by many for great insect shots in lieu of a dedicated macro -- as an example.

In fact, I still have this combo still and while I prefer it for ducks, cows, and bears the odd dragonfly has been captured with great detail. I also keep dedicated macro lenses laying about.

But your needs and preferences are yours, absolutely!
 
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