Posting about sensors and DR!

[Loswr]

I just know that people who throw themselves into the middle of any and every technology discussion, with a no-need-to-change position, using you-are-mislead-to-believe-you-need-anything-else arguments and those-who-say-differently-are-ignorant-illogical-and-non-factual judgements, they look a bit funny ...

But it´s basically a free world and when needed, the moderator rules.

Indeed...it's all just thick tomato slices over the eyes. Speaking of which, I'm heading out to the farm fields to pick some.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I just know that people who throw themselves into the middle of any and every technology discussion, with a no-need-to-change position, using you-are-mislead-to-believe-you-need-anything-else arguments and those-who-say-differently-are-ignorant-illogical-and-non-factual judgements, they look a bit funny ...

And, people who repeat themselves over and over, trying to show that taking a photo with a 5 stop underexposure makes them a expert. That's whats sad. They should show their properly exposed photos. I happen to believe that any of the major camera models are capable of taking supurb photos, as are the successful photographers. The composition, lighting, and subject matter is where the money is, not a ability to take a poorly exposed photo and improve it to a less poor but still unacceptable photo.

 

[fragilesi]

..... but show me a single photographer out there, Canon, Nikon, Sony, or whatever shooters, who would be upset with their manufacturer if they were given cleaner images?

And that is what the debate is all about.... cleaner images. We all want the same thing so why are we attacking each other over this. Let's get along and try to be respectful.

Yupp Don, you certainly hit the nail!

As the the psychiatrist visiting Fawlty Towers said; There´s enough material in there for an entire convention".

Indeed, put like Don does in his post it all sounds fine but it is often extrapolated as we've seen to "Canon is miles behind Nikon / Sony" or "Canon is not innovative" as the debate develops which is just ridiculous, these differences in DR don't tell anything like the whole story so people respond to that. And the same happens in reverse of course. It's the way Internet debate seems to work.

I think one of the best posts on this was the one where jrista did his comparison, made his point about DR but then balanced it with some of the problems the Sony camera presented due to it being inferior in other areas.

 

[NancyP]

What does dynamic resolution have to do with fashion photography? They. Use. Lighting. Even. For. Outdoor. Sessions. Pleasing color under adequate exposure conditions is the ticket. I might say, rigorous color management process throughout is also the ticket, for printed and online catalog work. Make your perfect photo look good on crappy $100.00 monitors!

 

[eml58]

I think one of the best posts on this was the one where jrista did his comparison, made his point about DR but then balanced it with some of the problems the Sony camera presented due to it being inferior in other areas.

Completely agree, totally.

But we've seen the reaction that comes from being the "messenger", jrista is now sitting somewhere picking tar & feathers from himself, insulted, bullied & bashed (but I'm sure not beaten).

It seems difficult for some to accept someone else's argument if it conflicts with their own view, and too often the reactions are what we've seen here on CR regards this DR debate (I'm sure the letters actually stand for "dopey reaction").

Not sure why people can't read a Post, feel it conflicts with their own view but maintain respect for someone else having a different view, and simply move onto another Post/View/Opinion without reaching for the Red Button that launches the nukes, Human Nature ??

 

[fragilesi]

I think one of the best posts on this was the one where jrista did his comparison, made his point about DR but then balanced it with some of the problems the Sony camera presented due to it being inferior in other areas.

Completely agree, totally.

But we've seen the reaction that comes from being the "messenger", jrista is now sitting somewhere picking tar & feathers from himself, insulted, bullied & bashed (but I'm sure not beaten).

It seems difficult for some to accept someone else's argument if it conflicts with their own view, and too often the reactions are what we've seen here on CR regards this DR debate (I'm sure the letters actually stand for "dopey reaction").

Not sure why people can't read a Post, feel it conflicts with their own view but maintain respect for someone else having a different view, and simply move onto another Post/View/Opinion without reaching for the Red Button that launches the nukes, Human Nature ??

Belatedly amen to that ;D

 

[ecka]

There are those who admit the issue and discuss it, there are those who ask questions about it (to learn something), and there are those who don't care (and start threads like this one ). Not caring is not a solution and it's not even worth talking about (unlike sensors and DR).

 

[Don Haines]

There are those who admit the issue and discuss it, there are those who ask questions about it (to learn something), and there are those who don't care (and start threads like this one ). Not caring is not a solution and it's not even worth talking about (unlike sensors and DR).

I care deeply about the issue, but it would be nice to see a proper and polite discussion in the appropriate place and not see thread after thread descend into nastiness over the subject..... and that seems to be the overwhelming answer to the question....

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

What are we descussing? Are we discussing the importance of dynamic range? Really?

Let me summurize this whole 1000-page discussion with a few words,

dynamic range is one of the determining factors of high image quality, just like resolution, colour, noise, and lack of artefacts,

So, it is very important.

But, recent digital camera have reached a very high level of dynamic range that meets the demands of most prfessional photographers, and therefore they don't look too much into it and come here presenting their arguments of the lack of importance of high dynamic range,

it's their type of shooting and their jobs, Canon DSLRs offer more than they need of image manipulation in post.

AND, there are those who do specific work that requires the highest dynamic range possible, people who shoot HDR in very high dynamic range scenes like landscape photography, and interior photography, these professionals find Canon DSLRs behind the competetion here and are slightly frustrated,

SO, we have two types if shooters, those who need it, and those who don't, we should respect each other jobs!

As for Canon cameras, they offer the exact same dynamic range as Nikon/Sony DSLRs in the APS-C range and lower, with very similar resolution, noise, colour, artefacts, I can prove this with actual photographs rather than DxO numbers,

BUT, in the full frame range, Nikon cameras have more dynamic range and highlight/shadow recoverability, and significantly higher resolution too in that specific 36 megapixel sensor made by Sony.

It's just the current situation, accept it and chose what fits your job and stop fighting over it.
Canon and Nikon always exceed each other and that's always good for the competetion, for example the 5D mk II generation of Canon cameras had better image quality than Nikon D700 with more DR, signifcant resolution advantage and higher image quality, then the situation turned around, and then it will turn around again,
The canon DSLRs first video cameras had significantly better image quality in video mode for about 5 years straight, then with the Nikom D5200 the situation turned around, and Nikon is now offering higher video IQ,

it will always be that way, with each company offering advantages, for example get me a Nikon that can shoot 10fps with 65AF point and state of the art build quality for less than 2K,

it's a never-ending battle, and the leap-frog race continues, while idiot fanboys clap and dance each time their frog takes a step ahead, stop being ridiculous and go out and shoot.

I am waiting for the Canon DSLR that has high resolution and high DR that competes with that specific Sony sensor, while you wait for your Nikon D300 successor, it's fine, just stop fighting over it!

 

[Maximilian]

it's a never-ending battle, and the leap-frog race continues, while idiot fanboys clap and dance each time their frog takes a step ahead, stop being ridiculous and go out and shoot.
...
it's fine, just stop fighting over it!

Well said Ebrahim. Thank you.
Especially the quote above. Thanks again.

 

[ecka]

There are those who admit the issue and discuss it, there are those who ask questions about it (to learn something), and there are those who don't care (and start threads like this one ). Not caring is not a solution and it's not even worth talking about (unlike sensors and DR).

I care deeply about the issue, but it would be nice to see a proper and polite discussion in the appropriate place and not see thread after thread descend into nastiness over the subject..... and that seems to be the overwhelming answer to the question....

Somehow those nasty threads escaped my attention . I tend to simply ignore such "deja vu" threads. No new data there.