Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

[CarlMillerPhoto]

Re: Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

Personally I hope for a C100 mk3 with a higher price to keep it out of the hands of the people here who wants the price to drop.

It's a lot more attractive proposition as a professional tool than a camera for hobbyists.

$6995 would be sweet for the next C100, given 4K, XC10 intra frame codec and preferably 10bit.

But why so concerned about non-professionals getting it? I agree that it might help set your aesthetic/quality apart, but if you're a professional then you have to want to maximize your ROI. Wanting to pay more for equipment goes against that. I don't think owning the entry Cinema EOS cam will get you work like simply owning a RED will. I think if you're looking at the C100 you should want it to be as affordable as possible.

 

[redpoint]

Re: Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

I don't really care about 4K - largely b/c my computer system and hard drives would need to be bumped-up to compensate, but the C100 mk ii should have had 4K. It's great to have, should you want/need for a specific project - but for me not a deal breaker.

There will always be a place for the cinema line for dedicated video professionals. I have a 7D mk ii, a 1 DX, and a C100 mk ii and the C100 is a pleasure to use for video - unlike the other two. The 7D and 1DX produce great video, but without focus assists, a monitor and/or EVF they're difficult to use for serious work (not to mention many other reasons). External monitors and EVFs add a lot of cost to your rig and make it more cumbersome.

Sony has really pulled ahead largely because of their strong line-up of cameras with an excellent price point. This Canon price correction was definitely needed especially with so many great options in this category entering the market with SONY, RED etc.

 

[redpoint]

Re: Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

I'm not sure how Canon can avoid making the C100 MkIII just a smaller C300 MkII....I don't think they can have another iteration without 4k. Even though I'm the type of person who doesn't really care about 4k, too many consumers are caught up in the spec race, and Canon has to compete with that. That being said, the C100 is a great line. MUCH preferable to any DSLR for event and budget documentary work. I'll still shoot with the original C100 over any DSLR or mirrorless.

^^ What he said. DSLRs just can't compete with with a cinema-specific camera. That said, I can totally understand why someone might buy a SONY mirrorless, and then add an EVF and an external recorder - all in, it would be a *substantially* cheaper 4K solution then a C300 ... especially if you shoot stills and video.

 

[CarlMillerPhoto]

Re: Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

I'm not sure how Canon can avoid making the C100 MkIII just a smaller C300 MkII....I don't think they can have another iteration without 4k. Even though I'm the type of person who doesn't really care about 4k, too many consumers are caught up in the spec race, and Canon has to compete with that. That being said, the C100 is a great line. MUCH preferable to any DSLR for event and budget documentary work. I'll still shoot with the original C100 over any DSLR or mirrorless.

^^ What he said. DSLRs just can't compete with with a cinema-specific camera. That said, I can totally understand why someone might buy a SONY mirrorless, and then add an EVF and an external recorder - all in, it would be a *substantially* cheaper 4K solution then a C300 ... especially if you shoot stills and video.

Definitely agreed. Especially if you're doing commercial or narrative work that is storyboarded. An unwieldy camera setup is less of an issue in that environment where things only happen once you're ready. As with everything, horses for courses, though.

 

[AndreeOnline]

Re: Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

But why so concerned about non-professionals getting it? I agree that it might help set your aesthetic/quality apart, but if you're a professional then you have to want to maximize your ROI. Wanting to pay more for equipment goes against that.

It's a huge topic, but here are a few short answers:

I'm not worried. Canon won't release an upgraded C100 mkIII for $4000. Naturally, they will release a 4k C100 mkIII but it will likely be $6500-7500. And most likely 8 bit. FPS are pretty open, but not more than the 1Dx mkII.

Yes, it's nice to have a marketable 'signature image quality' like let's say Canon Log. I've been shooting the 1Dc since 2013 and the Cinema EOS brand help me set it apart from 'any old DSLR'. Most clients aren't really that interested in technical stuff anyway.

I don't pay for my stuff—my clients do. If you want gear to be cheaper so that you can lower your prices... take this friendly advice right now: get of the race to the bottom while you can.

But it's right that cameras don't get you jobs. Not even REDs (as I am 100% sure many entry level RED owners realised a little too late). As a photographer/videographer selling your services, YOU'RE the product. As long as you meet the expectations you're good.

I AM pretty fed up from hearing about how Canon products are overpriced by people who don't have a working business model. It doesn't add anything to the discussion.

If $3500-4000 is the limit just buy the C100 mkII with DPAF. You can shoot anything with that camera (and make real money with it).

 

[CarlMillerPhoto]

Re: Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

I don't pay for my stuff—my clients do. If you want gear to be cheaper so that you can lower your prices... take this friendly advice right now: get of the race to the bottom while you can.

Haha what? No man, you pay for your stuff. There's only two ways to increase profits: Increase revenue and/or decrease expenses. If somebody else wants to pay less for gear and thus increase profits, stop bashing them as if they're racing to the bottom. You sound bitter you paid $12k for a 1Dc.

 

[AndreeOnline]

Re: Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

Haha what? No man, you pay for your stuff. There's only two ways to increase profits: Increase revenue and/or decrease expenses.

A fisherman buys a rod and a tackle box. He spends his days in the harbor catching fish and sells them on the local market. His income pays for his fishing equipment. One day, he's sure, he will catch enough fish in that harbor to buy him a that flashy fishing rod the sell two blocks down the road from where he lives.

Another fisherman leaves that harbor every day in his fishing boat. He spent every penny he owned on that boat in order for him to fish at sea. Every day he comes back with a boatload of fishes that he sells to a number of corporations. Man, that boat was expensive. The diesel for the engine isn't that bad, but then there's the permit and his staff that he provides for. It adds up. Luckily the sea is big, and by managing his costs against what he catches he makes a nice living doing what he knows and likes.
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Every day, leaving harbor he sees the fishermen on the pier with their rods. He thinks to himself: lucky them! Ah, the simple pleasures! Their catch will make for a nice supper for sure!

A little bit further out he sees similar fishermen, in little open boats with similar rods trying to catch the same fish as the men on the pier. But these men bought small boats with little engines to achieve the same thing as the men on the pier. They have more equipment.
The captain on the large boat thinks to himself: they must really love fishing, spending all that money on gear trying to catch small fish just outside the harbor!

Yup, he says to himself: "they probably do!".

He then rests his eyes on the horizon, watching the rising sun as he always does when going to sea. He leaves the fishermen on the pier and in the harbor behind and focuses on the task at hand. "This will be a beautiful day at sea!".

 

[arthur]

Re: Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

Just give me 4k 14bit raw 60fps and i will I will buy it ... if Magic lantern can do 2.5k 14bit raw With a compact flash .. Why Canon can not do 4k raw 14bit 60fps With cfast ?!! ..

 

[PureClassA]

Re: Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

With a 1DX2 now capable of 4k at 60FPS and 1080P at 120 FPS .... I would hope a firmware update is imminent or some replacement models. And if the 5D4 comes out as rumored also with these specs, then sure a C100III would also have them at a 5k price point. I really would like to get a Canon cinema body but the lack of good slow motion capture kills it for me. I may just buy a 1DX2 and also use it for video

 

[jorgepzul]

Re: Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

Hi there!

I see that you are all wondering if a new C100 MKIII is coming.. ok.. but maybe it's just de 5DIV.. and if that's the case: wouldn't you think there will be coming with a new C100 MK II firmware update?? (clearly a recent c100 ii buyer speaking hahaha)

 

[eiretv]

Re: Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

I think a Canon C100 will be out before years end.....they cannot let the Sony F5 go unopposed...

I sold my Canon C100 Mark I because of the irritations of no slomo and terrible LCD...
Hired the Mark II for a weekend and loved it.....

So I am waiting to see what happens for a while but will get the Mark II prob before November...

 

[StarLordLOLOL]

Re: Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

This is my first Canon Rumors forum post!!! I started shooting video on a Canon Powershot SX-20. Yep. I'd add crop bars to make it look widescreen. From there I got a 7D, moved up to a 5D3, converted to the cinema line with a C100 as soon as it was released. Added another one once the auto focus was added! Then added a C100 Mark ii. When the C300 Mark ii was announced, I knew it was time to step it up again. So we did! I say "we" because somewhere in between the 7D and now, I started a video company so I could afford the expensive hobby of buying gear. We bought a C300 Mark ii in October 2015, and it's been amazing. This price drop was perfect... we just ordered another C300 Mark ii today!!

There was a time last year when we went to an FS7. It was a good camera, menus drove me nuts, but a good camera. Until it shut down on a shoot and refused to power up. I mean, completely bricked. We were in Ohio, and our other C100's were split between South Carolina and Costa Rica. Luckily, we had a Canon 60D as backup. We had to shoot for the rest of the week on that 60D, and after asking a few non-camera people, they said they liked the 60D footage better. LOL. Sent the FS7 off, Sony kept it for 3 weeks, never figured out what was wrong, just sent us a new one. We sold it and bought the C300 Mark ii.

Word of advice to those of you who really want the camera but you don't want to lose your savings account - I've never paid upfront for any of our C100's, C300's, or L lenses. Canon has an incredible lease program through Canon Financial Services. 0% financing for 24 months... it's a no brainer to split up the cost of such large purchases, especially at 0% interest!! You can also do 3 years for 1.9%. I did 4 years on the first C100 I bought, but the interest rate is higher, I'd recommend 24 or 36 months if you can swing it. I have always purchased through Texas Media Systems.

I'm excited to be a part of this forum. I've been a Canon guy for many years, and now with two C300 Mark ii's and a handful of C100's, I hope to be able to bring some working knowledge to the table. I mean forum. Working knowledge to the forum.

 

[arcer]

Re: Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

Haha what? No man, you pay for your stuff. There's only two ways to increase profits: Increase revenue and/or decrease expenses.

A fisherman buys a rod and a tackle box. He spends his days in the harbor catching fish and sells them on the local market. His income pays for his fishing equipment. One day, he's sure, he will catch enough fish in that harbor to buy him a that flashy fishing rod the sell two blocks down the road from where he lives.

Another fisherman leaves that harbor every day in his fishing boat. He spent every penny he owned on that boat in order for him to fish at sea. Every day he comes back with a boatload of fishes that he sells to a number of corporations. Man, that boat was expensive. The diesel for the engine isn't that bad, but then there's the permit and his staff that he provides for. It adds up. Luckily the sea is big, and by managing his costs against what he catches he makes a nice living doing what he knows and likes.
-------
Every day, leaving harbor he sees the fishermen on the pier with their rods. He thinks to himself: lucky them! Ah, the simple pleasures! Their catch will make for a nice supper for sure!

A little bit further out he sees similar fishermen, in little open boats with similar rods trying to catch the same fish as the men on the pier. But these men bought small boats with little engines to achieve the same thing as the men on the pier. They have more equipment.
The captain on the large boat thinks to himself: they must really love fishing, spending all that money on gear trying to catch small fish just outside the harbor!

Yup, he says to himself: "they probably do!".

He then rests his eyes on the horizon, watching the rising sun as he always does when going to sea. He leaves the fishermen on the pier and in the harbor behind and focuses on the task at hand. "This will be a beautiful day at sea!".

Never thought I get good literature on a rumors site.
Good stuff, and I agree.

 

[arcer]

Re: Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

This is my first Canon Rumors forum post!!! I started shooting video on a Canon Powershot SX-20. Yep. I'd add crop bars to make it look widescreen. From there I got a 7D, moved up to a 5D3, converted to the cinema line with a C100 as soon as it was released. Added another one once the auto focus was added! Then added a C100 Mark ii. When the C300 Mark ii was announced, I knew it was time to step it up again. So we did! I say "we" because somewhere in between the 7D and now, I started a video company so I could afford the expensive hobby of buying gear. We bought a C300 Mark ii in October 2015, and it's been amazing. This price drop was perfect... we just ordered another C300 Mark ii today!!

There was a time last year when we went to an FS7. It was a good camera, menus drove me nuts, but a good camera. Until it shut down on a shoot and refused to power up. I mean, completely bricked. We were in Ohio, and our other C100's were split between South Carolina and Costa Rica. Luckily, we had a Canon 60D as backup. We had to shoot for the rest of the week on that 60D, and after asking a few non-camera people, they said they liked the 60D footage better. LOL. Sent the FS7 off, Sony kept it for 3 weeks, never figured out what was wrong, just sent us a new one. We sold it and bought the C300 Mark ii.

Word of advice to those of you who really want the camera but you don't want to lose your savings account - I've never paid upfront for any of our C100's, C300's, or L lenses. Canon has an incredible lease program through Canon Financial Services. 0% financing for 24 months... it's a no brainer to split up the cost of such large purchases, especially at 0% interest!! You can also do 3 years for 1.9%. I did 4 years on the first C100 I bought, but the interest rate is higher, I'd recommend 24 or 36 months if you can swing it. I have always purchased through Texas Media Systems.

I'm excited to be a part of this forum. I've been a Canon guy for many years, and now with two C300 Mark ii's and a handful of C100's, I hope to be able to bring some working knowledge to the table. I mean forum. Working knowledge to the forum.

Welcome to CR
Great to hear from some that delves into the Cinema EOS line.
Anyway, I'm curious of the 60D footage you mentioned. Maybe your skills are what's more important than what tools you use. Tools make your job easier and/or better, but the person themselves create the vision.

 

[Local Hero]

Re: Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

The short answer is that C300 MK II is not selling well at all, whilst Sony FS7 is selling like gang busters.

Sony has sold zillions of the things.

This price drop brings it in within the realm of people possibly considering the C300 II (zero chance before), but it's still a pretty big ask to drop an extra 4K over an FS7.

These aren't cameras you get emotionally attached to and keep long-term.
They are cameras you buy, bang out as many cheap job as you can, and then get rid of to update.

 

[jorgepzul]

Re: Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

So there's no one betting on a new Major C100 ii firmware upgrade..? 4k paid firmware kind of.?

 

[Mr. Milo]

Re: Price Drops on Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II & C100 Mark II

So there's no one betting on a new Major C100 ii firmware upgrade..? 4k paid firmware kind of.?

No.