Replacement for the SL1?

[sylvestrerato]

Hi,

With the M line, what are the chances of an SL1 replacement do you think? Thank you.

Cheers

 

[Maximilian]

Hi,

With the M line, what are the chances of an SL1 replacement do you think? Thank you.

Cheers

Hi!

This question was asked and discussed several times before.
The results on this was that it seems to be not attractive for Canon to release a successor because this Camera didn't sell well for the original MRSP.
But of course it went quite well after some massive rebates and we don't know if and how much profit Canon could make that way.

I still hope for a replacement as I like the form factor as well as it still has an OVF but Canon seem to go the M5 way, if you are looking for a small body with integrated VF.

I hope that I will be proved wrong but I don't expect anything here :-\

 

[YuengLinger]

Hi,

With the M line, what are the chances of an SL1 replacement do you think? Thank you.

Cheers

The 80D is much more capable, and only slightly bigger than the SL1. Can't see why it wouldn't be a great option. Price has been coming down.

 

[Maximilian]

Hi,

With the M line, what are the chances of an SL1 replacement do you think? Thank you.

Cheers

The 80D is much more capable, and only slightly bigger than the SL1. Can't see why it wouldn't be a great option. Price has been coming down.

Sorry!
Although right in much better features I can't follow the rest of your arguments.

EOS 80D:
139,0 x 105,2 x 78,5 mm
ca. 730 g (acc. CIPA)
Street price (Germany): 990,- €

EOS 100D:
116,8 x 90,7 x 69,4 mm
407 g (acc. CIPA)
Street price (Germany): 340,- €

EOS 80D is

• of course better equipped and built but
• 19 % wider
• 16% higher
• 13% thicker
• 57% bigger (more volume)
• 79 % heavier
• 291 % more expensive

==> totally different tool

If I was in the market for a small DSLR the 80D wouldn't be my tool of choice.
Esp. because it is three times more expensive.

 

[sylvestrerato]

Yes, the thing is my budget is limited (less than 600), I want a Canon, the smaller the better, but no mirrorless.

 

[Maximilian]

Yes, the thing is my budget is limited (less than 600), I want a Canon, the smaller the better, but no mirrorless.

If your budget is limited I wouldn't wait for a successor.
That would have a MRSP of at least €/$600,- (body only, the SL1/100D started at €649,- if I recall correctly) so no more money for accessories like batteries or else. And it'll take at least some 6 months until prices come down.
With your budget you can get a SL1 now, which is a little bit outdated but still very good. AF is the point where I am hoping for a successor (and new sensor tech would be nice, as well). But this depends on your needs.
And maybe you still have some money left for a good small lens like the 50/1.8 STM or one of the f2.8 pancakes.
Really great lenses on this cam when size and budget matters.

 

[dak723]

If your budget is limited, then just get an SL1 if you don't already have one. If you already have one, then you don't need a replacement as you would see almost no difference form one generation to the next.

 

[benkam]

I have an SL1, or 100D as it's known where I'm at, and I say forget it or its replacement.

If you're thinking of a new SL1, don't bother, but if you're looking at its current price range, look instead at the only slightly more expensive T5i, aka 700D. The SL1 and T5i/700D are both older models but if your camera store stocks an SL1, likely it also still has a T5i/700D. Performance-wise they're spec'd the same but in terms of ergonomics, the T5i/700D has a fully articulating screen vs fixed, more buttons for control and better deeper grip. Sure, the SL1's smaller but the T5i/700D isn't that much bigger really.

Also, the next-up T6s/760D and T6i/750D will likely be coming down in price over the next few weeks or few months after Canon releases its new 800D (T6i/700D successor), so check those out too.

Talking of which, if you're asking for an SL2 that Canon might not even make, I'd instead look if your budget will allow you to consider the 800D or even 77D. The 800D and 77D, as rumors tell us, will have DPAF and I think that's big.

 

[ahsanford]

We presume the SL1 did not sell well as its price was slashed repeatedly in the first 12 months. Whether that was due to overpricing by Canon or it needed to be that pricey for some reason is unknown, but it surely underperformed their expectations.

Now, with a host more 'small' cameras out there that seem to be selling -- the EOS M platform especially -- I would not wait for an SL1 replacement. I'd snap up a T5i or T6i when prices come down.

It would appear that video has indeed killed the radio star: mirrorless is starting its inexorable rampage through the EOS portfolio, and the SL1 was its first victim. One would expect the next item for mirrorless to consume might be the super budget 1300D / T6 line. We shall see.

- A

 

[benkam]

It would appear that video has indeed killed the radio star: mirrorless is starting its inexorable rampage through the EOS portfolio, and the SL1 was its first victim. One would expect the next item for mirrorless to consume might be the super budget 1300D / T6 line. We shall see.

Ironic really because the SL1/100D was supposed to be an answer to mirrorless (size) envy.

The biggest weakness of the SL1 I think is the lack of a "tilty-flippy" screen. You aim a camera at the general consumer crowd, in the age of selfies and vlogging, that's a must for the target audience. Without it, its market is limited to hobbyists who'd like a secondary small DLSR and that's a much more niche market.

For the SL1 series to survive -- if Canon's even interested in that -- they have to put a tilty-flippy screen without compromising its supposed main selling point of size. But that may be too much of a challenge to cram into a budget-oriented DSLR.

As for the 1300D, in the age of camera phones, that should've had a touchscreen, even if fixed. Still, tilty-flippy should've still been the way to go and they could've just dropped the good old 700D/T5i practically as-is to the 1300D price range and rebadged it a 1300D to compete at that level.

 

[unfocused]

I'm not as down on the SL2 as others. People presume that the SL1 was a disappointment or didn't sell well, but we don't know that.

I believe there is room in the lineup for an SL2, but believe it would be better to move it upmarket. Put a new sensor in it, improve the autofocus and cram as many features in as possible. Make it the smallest, lightest full-featured body available and market it to outdoors enthusiasts who don't want to lug around a 5D or 1Dx on a day hike and I think there would be a market.

 

[ahsanford]

I believe there is room in the lineup for an SL2, but believe it would be better to move it upmarket. Put a new sensor in it, improve the autofocus and cram as many features in as possible. Make it the smallest, lightest full-featured body available and market it to outdoors enthusiasts who don't want to lug around a 5D or 1Dx on a day hike and I think there would be a market.

I hear you, but I would argue that product is now an EOS M (of now three different configurations) with an adaptor. That the weight-conscious SLR aficionado must must must have an OVF option for hiking/camping/travel is simply not a reasonable ask, IMHO.

Consider:

5D4 = 800g
760D = 565g
1200d = 485g
SL1 = 407g

If you really must have an OVF on an ultra-light rig, just grab a Rebel?

- A

 

[LonelyBoy]

We presume the SL1 did not sell well as its price was slashed repeatedly in the first 12 months. Whether that was due to overpricing by Canon or it needed to be that pricey for some reason is unknown, but it surely underperformed their expectations.

Now, with a host more 'small' cameras out there that seem to be selling -- the EOS M platform especially -- I would not wait for an SL1 replacement. I'd snap up a T5i or T6i when prices come down.

It would appear that video has indeed killed the radio star: mirrorless is starting its inexorable rampage through the EOS portfolio, and the SL1 was its first victim. One would expect the next item for mirrorless to consume might be the super budget 1300D / T6 line. We shall see.

- A

I'm sure the end point is correct (though I liked my SL1 until I dropped it and it now doesn't take sharp pictures in anything but perfect light), but the M had the exact same issue of getting no traction at its original price and getting deeply discounted to move off shelves. That one got successors; the SL1 didn't.

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

Sales wise, the SL1 was a disaster. Thats why they are so cheap. I think its a fine camera, but the mainstream buyers in the US see the larger DSLR's as being worth more money. Mirrorless cameras seem to suffer from the same issue. Its not the same paradigm in all parts of the world. Camera makers may find they have to market different models of cameras to different regions of the world, and that increases costs.

 

[Macoose]

Sylvestrerato,

The only recently released Canon camera that comes close to your preferred size and budget (600.00) is the Rebel T6/1300D

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-rebel-t6-ef-S-18-55mm-ef-75-300mm-double-zoom-kit

https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/eos-rebel-t6-ef-s-18-55mm-f-3-5-5-6-is-ii-kit


Canon USA has them on sale!

Good Luck!

Macoose

 

[martti]

I will buy the SL-2 once it arrives on the market.
Just saying.