Review: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV by DPReview

[Canon Rumors]

The indepth reviews of the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV seem to be coming out fairly quickly. It’s a bit surprising to see DPReview has completed theirs already, but that may just come down to the popularity of the EOS 5D line of DSLRs.</p>
<p>For the most part, DPReview loves the new EOS 5D Mark IV and thinks it’s a worthwhile upgrade over  the EOS 5D Mark III and definitely the EOS 5D Mark II.</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="https://youtu.be/9FqX6qblyJ8" target="_blank">We said in our overview video</a> for the 5D Mark IV that this is the most refined 5D yet, and we believe that still stands. This is a camera that will stand up to years of abuse and churn out images with appreciably better quality (and at a faster rate) than its predecessor. The touch screen and Dual Pixel AF offer users more shooting options, and the built-in Wi-Fi and NFC will be an important addition to those working in the field. It may not be a<em>revolutionary</em> update, but this <em>evolutionary</em> update will find its way into the hands of thousands of working professionals, and it will reward them with better and more reliable results than ever before. <a href="https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv">Read the full review</a></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Canon EOS 5D Mark IV</strong></p>
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[PureClassA]

The DXO Score of 91 is gonna be a much funnier thread...

 

[douglaurent]

Fun fact: my 5D4 did stop 4K recording because of overheating a couple of times. No review seems to mention that.

 

[brad-man]

Fun fact: my 5D4 did stop 4K recording because of overheating a couple of times. No review seems to mention that.

Just curious. How many 5D IV reviews have you read?

 

[YuengLinger]

Fun fact: my 5D4 did stop 4K recording because of overheating a couple of times. No review seems to mention that.

So you say. Extraordinary run of bad luck with Canon products. [yawn]

 

[douglaurent]

Funny people around here. My one 5D4 stopped 4K recording because of overheating exactly as often as my two A7R2 in 15 months. Of course nobody wants to hear that, because a camera brand is a religion.

 

[3kramd5]

Funny people around here. My one 5D4 stopped 4K recording because of overheating exactly as often as my two A7R2 in 15 months. Of course nobody wants to hear that, because a camera brand is a religion.

On that contrary, I expect that people interested in buying a 5D4 to shoot 4k would be extremely interested in hearing that. I also expect they'd like to know the circumstances rather than merely a rate.

 

[meywd]

Funny people around here. My one 5D4 stopped 4K recording because of overheating exactly as often as my two A7R2 in 15 months. Of course nobody wants to hear that, because a camera brand is a religion.

On that contrary, I expect that people interested in buying a 5D4 to shoot 4k would be extremely interested in hearing that. I also expect they'd like to know the circumstances rather than merely a rate.

Exactly, if it's reproducable then post the steps in separate thread and see if the other owners can reproduce it, then canon can do the same and fix it

 

[douglaurent]

It's not reproducable unfortunately. As with the A7R2, it needs a hotter environment like outdoors with 30 degrees celsius, or an indoor stage event with higher temperature. This never happened with my GH4s or 1DC and also not 1DX2, probably because of bigger bodies or smaller sensor.

In any event Canon - like the dxo sensor rating shows - mainly keeps up with the competitor achievments those released 1.5-2.5 years ago (except dualpixel focus technology which is better). This is sad because with Canon it always feels like as if they are artificially holding back features and quality they easily could have released yet. Sony products feel as if they release the best they can.

The 5D4 video mainly has the quality, specs and functions of the 1DC from Photokina 4 years ago - minus C-Log and minus lowlight capabilities. That is not what someone would call innovation.

 

[douglaurent]

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Exactly, if it's reproducable then post the steps in separate thread and see if the other owners can reproduce it, then canon can do the same and fix it

It's not likely fixable. To generate 4K video the CPU in the camera has to work at a certain rate and that is where the heat comes from. The only way to reduce the heat is to reduce the work - typically for video this means a lower bitrate codec (ie less heat = reduced quality.)

The more interesting statement was this:

Funny people around here. My one 5D4 stopped 4K recording because of overheating exactly as often as my two A7R2 in 15 months. Of course nobody wants to hear that, because a camera brand is a religion.

What's that supposed to mean?

First up the "in 15 months" doesn't make sense unless. Put in reverse, "In 15 months my two A7R2s stop recording 4K as often as one 5D4."

Is it meant to mean that the 5D4 shuts down due to heat twice as often as the A7R2?
Or that both the 5D4 and A7R2 shut down due to heat just as often as each other?

Or was it meant to be...

"the number of times the 5D4 shutdown due to heat in 3 days is the same as the combined number of shutdowns of two A7R2s over 15 months?"

Of course what's missing is how the 5D4 was used and how the A7R2s were used. We might assume that they're used the same but making assumptions is never a safe thing to do.

I means: My two A7R2 stopped recording video app 4x total in 15 months, and my 5D4 stopped app 3x in one week, both in similar indoor event and outdoor situations. This is of course not a scientific research. But mainstream knowledge of Canon users right now is "The Sonys do have a constant and high risk of stopping, and the 5D4 doesnt do that at all". That doesnt seem to be true, and Canon might not seem to be better in large sensor 4k video cooling than Sony.

Which is kind of embarassing, because Sony does full frame 4k video recording, and Canon does not even reach APS-C crop with the 5D4.

 

[kingrobertii]

Fun fact: my 5D4 did stop 4K recording because of overheating a couple of times. No review seems to mention that.

Odd. I got mine Friday and went out to shoot at a raceway on Saturday using 4k video all day in 90+F weather for 6 hours. The camera got hot, but I never got a warning for overheating.

 

[YuengLinger]

It's not reproducable unfortunately. As with the A7R2, it needs a hotter environment like outdoors with 30 degrees celsius, or an indoor stage event with higher temperature. This never happened with my GH4s or 1DC and also not 1DX2, probably because of bigger bodies or smaller sensor.

In any event Canon - like the dxo sensor rating shows - mainly keeps up with the competitor achievments those released 1.5-2.5 years ago (except dualpixel focus technology which is better). This is sad because with Canon it always feels like as if they are artificially holding back features and quality they easily could have released yet. Sony products feel as if they release the best they can.

The 5D4 video mainly has the quality, specs and functions of the 1DC from Photokina 4 years ago - minus C-Log and minus lowlight capabilities. That is not what someone would call innovation.

Not reproducible? Funny, that's what psychics, mediums, and other paranormals say when somebody makes the mistake of asking for proof of their claims.

How is it that certain people seem to have such rotten luck with every piece of equipment? And if you have had such bad luck with Canon (or any brand), why in the world would you be an early adopter over and over? You just HAD to preorder...for what? Business? All your other great cameras happened to disappear or die at the same time and you were forced to get a 5DIV that has hardly been reviewed, much less put through its paces on a large enough scale for firmware updates and other fixes to be implemented?

No, brands are not a religion, but pointing out baloney is a pastime. :

 

[candyman]

I know that this review is only the opinion of DPreview but.....


Those of you that are using now the 5D MKIV and used to work with the 5D MKIII do you agree that the RAW image quality of the 5D MKIII is better? Can you elaborate on that?

 

[3kramd5]

I means: My two A7R2 stopped recording video app 4x total in 15 months, and my 5D4 stopped app 3x in one week, both in similar indoor event and outdoor situations.

Right, so those are rates (instances per unit time). The specifics are more useful. But if it's not repeatable, it's sorta... trivial.

Like this: My A7R2 has never overheated. Trivial, not particularly useful.

 

[Loswr]

Trivial, not particularly useful.

That describes most of douglaurent's posts quite well. I guess brand-bashing is a religion, too...for some. :

 

[StudentOfLight]

Funny people around here. My one 5D4 stopped 4K recording because of overheating exactly as often as my two A7R2 in 15 months. Of course nobody wants to hear that, because a camera brand is a religion.

Why don't you post a video of it overheating?

 

[tr573]

I know that this review is only the opinion of DPreview but.....


Those of you that are using now the 5D MKIV and used to work with the 5D MKIII do you agree that the RAW image quality of the 5D MKIII is better? Can you elaborate on that?

The scores are relative to peers on the market at the time of release, that's how DPR does their scoring system. So you can't compare old cameras to new ones by their scores

 

[Jack Douglas]

No, brands are not a religion, but pointing out baloney is a pastime. : ;D ;D

If you read a post carefully, noticing the assertions and conclusions it is quite easy to detect when someone is a fake. Fakes often own all the cameras and have all the experiences and know all the brands and I guess shoot high quality photos all the time. Hmm ........ wish I could be a fake.

I would say that politics has largely supplanted all other candidates in being a religion.

Jack

 

[YuengLinger]

No, brands are not a religion, but pointing out baloney is a pastime. : ;D ;D

If you read a post carefully, noticing the assertions and conclusions it is quite easy to detect when someone is a fake. Fakes often own all the cameras and have all the experiences and know all the brands and I guess shoot high quality photos all the time. Hmm ........ wish I could be a fake.

I would say that politics has largely supplanted all other candidates in being a religion.

Jack

Fortunately, perhaps, this is not the forum to delve into your assertion, which, I think, is profound and true. If humans are hardwired to believe and worship collectively, a cause, a party, a personality can certainly take the place of organized religion.

Now how would you photograph such an abstract concept with the 5DIV? Careful of the overheating!

 

[bgateb]

The DXO Score of 91 is gonna be a much funnier thread...

can't wait for the shitshow.