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Review: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV by TDP

eguzowski said:
this is not a review it's a PR Aditorial !

A review would also talk about the cons. downfalls etc...campare to it's competition.

I own a 5D3, 70D, 80D, tons of canon L glass and Sigma Art glass, 4 speedlites etc etc...

Canon is going to be dead to me soon...The 5D4 is a failure as it did not keep up with it's competitors or hit the sweet spot for the vast majority of pros that buy this type of camera...Event Photographers and Videographers. (Weddings!) The Raw files are to big, the low light ISO and AF not good enough. The Dynamic range not on Par with Nikon. The Video (4k 17:9 with a 1.7 crop factor with a crazy codec that makes monster files?), No 4K HDMI out?, No articulating screen? What event photographer needs 30MP RAW...whom wants to process 3000 raw file wedding photos per a wedding? What videographer wants to crop 4k 17:9 to 16:9, switch to crop factor wider lenses, and then process hours of 4k crazy large files because of the codec? (I owned a c100 and sold it within months because the 70D and 80D were much more documentary friendly with touch screen AF and auto ISO).

Ive shot for National Geographic, The NY Times, AP, I'm at Martha Stewarts house tomorrow, etc etc etc.....

Hello Sony knock knock

I'd love you to post a few pictures...
 
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eguzowski said:
this is not a review it's a PR Aditorial !

A review would also talk about the cons. downfalls etc...campare to it's competition.

I own a 5D3, 70D, 80D, tons of canon L glass and Sigma Art glass, 4 speedlites etc etc...

Canon is going to be dead to me soon...The 5D4 is a failure as it did not keep up with it's competitors or hit the sweet spot for the vast majority of pros that buy this type of camera...Event Photographers and Videographers. (Weddings!) The Raw files are to big, the low light ISO and AF not good enough. The Dynamic range not on Par with Nikon. The Video (4k 17:9 with a 1.7 crop factor with a crazy codec that makes monster files?), No 4K HDMI out?, No articulating screen? What event photographer needs 30MP RAW...whom wants to process 3000 raw file wedding photos per a wedding? What videographer wants to crop 4k 17:9 to 16:9, switch to crop factor wider lenses, and then process hours of 4k crazy large files because of the codec? (I owned a c100 and sold it within months because the 70D and 80D were much more documentary friendly with touch screen AF and auto ISO).

Ive shot for National Geographic, The NY Times, AP, I'm at Martha Stewarts house tomorrow, etc etc etc.....

Hello Sony knock knock

Wow, with a resume like that and 3 posts we can take your word as gospel.

When you are at Martha's house tomorrow ask her if Canon will be dead soon. After all she is an expert on stocks and insider trading. Who knows, she might enlighten you.
 
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romanr74 said:
eguzowski said:
this is not a review it's a PR Aditorial !

A review would also talk about the cons. downfalls etc...campare to it's competition.

I own a 5D3, 70D, 80D, tons of canon L glass and Sigma Art glass, 4 speedlites etc etc...

Canon is going to be dead to me soon...The 5D4 is a failure as it did not keep up with it's competitors or hit the sweet spot for the vast majority of pros that buy this type of camera...Event Photographers and Videographers. (Weddings!) The Raw files are to big, the low light ISO and AF not good enough. The Dynamic range not on Par with Nikon. The Video (4k 17:9 with a 1.7 crop factor with a crazy codec that makes monster files?), No 4K HDMI out?, No articulating screen? What event photographer needs 30MP RAW...whom wants to process 3000 raw file wedding photos per a wedding? What videographer wants to crop 4k 17:9 to 16:9, switch to crop factor wider lenses, and then process hours of 4k crazy large files because of the codec? (I owned a c100 and sold it within months because the 70D and 80D were much more documentary friendly with touch screen AF and auto ISO).

Ive shot for National Geographic, The NY Times, AP, I'm at Martha Stewarts house tomorrow, etc etc etc.....

Hello Sony knock knock

I'd love you to post a few pictures...

You should know he can not. Obviously he has an agreement with all those clients and is not allowed to post his own work.
 
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romanr74 said:
eguzowski said:
Canon is going to be dead to me soon...Ive shot for National Geographic, The NY Times, AP, I'm at Martha Stewarts house tomorrow, etc etc etc.....

Hello Sony knock knock

I'd love you to post a few pictures...

No need. He listed his website in another post. He's actually a decent wedding photographer. Although I'd say there are others on this forum who are way better. I don't care for his videos, he seems to like desaturated colors, which just look washed out to my eyes.
 
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unfocused said:
romanr74 said:
eguzowski said:
Canon is going to be dead to me soon...Ive shot for National Geographic, The NY Times, AP, I'm at Martha Stewarts house tomorrow, etc etc etc.....

Hello Sony knock knock

I'd love you to post a few pictures...

No need. He listed his website in another post. He's actually a decent wedding photographer. Although I'd say there are others on this forum who are way better. I don't care for his videos, he seems to like desaturated colors, which just look washed out to my eyes.

So is Martha getting married?
 
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takesome1 said:
After years of reading Bryan's reviews I always try to find the part where he says the body found a place in his kit.

I didn't find a word that said the 5D IV replaced his go to 5Ds R.

The 5DSr is a phenomenal camera. If you want 4k and quicker performance then the 5D4 is the thing to have. The step from a 5D3 to a 5D4 is massive. From the 5DSr though not so much, but it also involved giving up some things too.
 
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eguzowski said:
this is not a review it's a PR Aditorial !

A review would also talk about the cons. downfalls etc...campare to it's competition.

I own a 5D3, 70D, 80D, tons of canon L glass and Sigma Art glass, 4 speedlites etc etc...

Canon is going to be dead to me soon...The 5D4 is a failure as it did not keep up with it's competitors or hit the sweet spot for the vast majority of pros that buy this type of camera...Event Photographers and Videographers. (Weddings!) The Raw files are to big, the low light ISO and AF not good enough. The Dynamic range not on Par with Nikon. The Video (4k 17:9 with a 1.7 crop factor with a crazy codec that makes monster files?), No 4K HDMI out?, No articulating screen? What event photographer needs 30MP RAW...whom wants to process 3000 raw file wedding photos per a wedding? What videographer wants to crop 4k 17:9 to 16:9, switch to crop factor wider lenses, and then process hours of 4k crazy large files because of the codec? (I owned a c100 and sold it within months because the 70D and 80D were much more documentary friendly with touch screen AF and auto ISO).

Ive shot for National Geographic, The NY Times, AP, I'm at Martha Stewarts house tomorrow, etc etc etc.....

Hello Sony knock knock

If you like Sony - get a Sony. Everyone should get the camera that best suits their needs.
Aside from that - you speak for other photographers - but you are NOT them. When you say "the vast majority of pros that buy this type of camera" - you clearly are making this up and have no idea. This completely destroys your credibility. Enjoy your Sony.
 
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Have to say...I am very happy with my 5DIii and I do not find the IV to be compelling enough to make me spend $3500. Perhaps when I can pick one up on grey market for $1800 ....perhaps not....
 
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wockawocka said:
takesome1 said:
After years of reading Bryan's reviews I always try to find the part where he says the body found a place in his kit.

I didn't find a word that said the 5D IV replaced his go to 5Ds R.

The 5DSr is a phenomenal camera. If you want 4k and quicker performance then the 5D4 is the thing to have. The step from a 5D3 to a 5D4 is massive. From the 5DSr though not so much, but it also involved giving up some things too.

Obviously he did not consider 5D4 worthy to replace the 5DSr, according to his answer to ahsanford, and he even hints that he is not sure that he would have replaced it even if he did not have the 1Dx2:

ahsanford said:
applecider said:
I emailed Brian to ask if was going to keep the 5d4. Hopefully he'll use it for his image comparisons.

Wonder no more. He just hit me back.

My question:

"With the 5D4 at only +2 fps over the 5DS rigs and at a comparable high ISO performance (once you downsample), if you are a stills only shooter, why *wouldn't* you choose the 5DS over the 5D4 as your everyday all-purpose rig? (Follow up: desert island scenario, one camera for all purposes: choose!)"


His answer:

"That is a question that I'm sure many are asking. It is also one I was asking myself. At this point, with a 1D X II available to handle fast action scenarios, I plan to stay with the 5Ds R bodies for everything else. If I didn't have a 1D X II, the decision would be harder."

- A
 
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ahsanford said:
applecider said:
I emailed Brian to ask if was going to keep the 5d4. Hopefully he'll use it for his image comparisons.

Wonder no more. He just hit me back.

My question:

"With the 5D4 at only +2 fps over the 5DS rigs and at a comparable high ISO performance (once you downsample), if you are a stills only shooter, why *wouldn't* you choose the 5DS over the 5D4 as your everyday all-purpose rig? (Follow up: desert island scenario, one camera for all purposes: choose!)"


His answer:

"That is a question that I'm sure many are asking. It is also one I was asking myself. At this point, with a 1D X II available to handle fast action scenarios, I plan to stay with the 5Ds R bodies for everything else. If I didn't have a 1D X II, the decision would be harder."

- A

My answer too. Getting the 5DS/R when it came out was my best camera buying decision ever. It has a lot of what later went into the 5DIV and at least improves over the 5DIII for the rest compared to the 5DIV (except 1 fps). So for instance even if 5DIV has the best DR, the 5DS/R is excellent too with up to 2 full stops improvement over the 5DIII. AF is greatly improved on the 5DS/R over the 5DIII. And then of course the amazing MPIX count. This brings 5DS/R shooters the exact 3 items 5DIII owners missed the most and which Canon prioritized for the 5DIV.

The 1DxII/5DS/R combo is currently Canon's super duo. 1DxII/5DIV is of course also great but does not bring as much extra to the table.
 
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Having been a Canon user for many years, I find the people that are specification hunting to be humorous. Many of these people will never purchase a camera because they are in search of the 'holy grail'....no worries, its just around the corner.

For those of you that have used the 5D Mark IV, I hope you'll agree with me.

Having owned a 40D, 7D and 7D Mark II (didn't live up to its hype IMHO), I currently own the 5D2, 5D3 and 5D4 and a host of L glass.

I find the 5D4 to be a fantastic camera body. Most of the features and 'specs' that people are complaining about will never be realized. My customers could care less if my camera has all the latest bells and whistles. And I certainly don't need them just to brag about having them.

All my customers (and I) care about is stellar image quality.

And the EOS 5D Mark IV definitely delivers.
 
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I have the following, and do a lot of hand held raptor photography in Colorado: 100-400 II, 300 f/4 & 400 f/5.6, plus the 1.4X TC III. If you want light weight, and you are mostly BIF, then the 400 f/5.6 works the best for me with either my 6D or 5DsR. Today I handed my wife my 5DsR & 100-400 II for a short time, and her main comment was "that is really heavy". For BIF I never wish for IS on the 400 f/5.6, but for more general wildlife, the zoom with IS is definitely a plus. The zoom is almost always at 400mm, as I am reach limited most of the time, be it birds or antelope. I use the TC on the 5DsR & the zoom at times, but often atmospheric distortion limits sharpness at distance. Getting close to an antelope is difficult, as they often see me before I see them, and scamper off at 40 MPH. I find the 300 f/4 takes the TC well, but not so much the 400 f/5.6 due to color fringing on the 5DsR. No trouble with the 100-400 II and the TC III in that respect. I don't use the 300 f/4 that much, which is a shame as it takes nice pictures, particularly when I am not reach limited. Last year a lone antelope was walking up my 1100 foot driveway, and I nailed it the 300 f/4 and a 5D Classic that was within arms reach. My only complaint about the 100-400 II is I wish it had a second focus limit setting at 10 meters. The 400 f/5.6 set at focus limit 8.5 meters rarely gets lost in the sky and cannot recover focus, even if the image is blurry. On the other hand, with the zoom, it can loose focus, hunt to 3 meters (focus limit), and never recover focus since I cannot locate the raptor due to the lens being completely out of focus. I have seen no one else comment on this issue, but after many attempts of BIF shots with the zoom, I now select the 400 f/5.6 all the time. When a raptor is within a 200 to 400 feet away, I find FF is a major help compared to a crop body or trying to use a TC @ 400mm. It is just hard to locate your target the narrower your field of view when the subject is wildly flying around in all directions.
 
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Maiaibing said:
Getting the 5DS/R when it came out was my best camera buying decision ever.

The 1DxII/5DS/R combo is currently Canon's super duo. 1DxII/5DIV is of course also great but does not bring as much extra to the table.

+1 I have not personally tried an 5DIV yet (I plan to rent one for a weekend soon), but for my use the 5DsR is nearly perfect. The 5DIV sounds like a great camera, Canon's best all-around option for sure.

If I could justify the expense to myself (I'm an amature), a 1Dx or 1DxII in addition to the 5DsR, that would be a perfect duo. As it is, I currently have a 6D as a 2nd body, that in combination with the 5DsR is working well. I plan to add a M5 when they become available for a lightweight kit.



BTW, wonder how this thread and the LensRentals review thread ended up in the "lenses" forum?
 
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Brian answered the adding 5D4 to his kit question with a post on his review page: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/News/News-Post.aspx?News=19045

And no it is not getting added to his kit.

And now the buts:

He already has WiFi adapters, he has a 1DX Mii for speed, he wants resolution,
high iso on 5DSR down sampled comes close to 5D4. Heck read his reasons, I get his rational, still when he has the 5DSR at dusk and a California condor flies overhead swiftly he may regret his choice.
 
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DigitalEdgePhotography said:
I find the 5D4 to be a fantastic camera body. Most of the features and 'specs' that people are complaining about will never be realized. My customers could care less if my camera has all the latest bells and whistles. And I certainly don't need them just to brag about having them.

All my customers (and I) care about is stellar image quality.

And the EOS 5D Mark IV definitely delivers.

Interesting how both "worlds" are "split". For Videographers 5dMkIV is the biggest disappointment in years.
Google it. Fact is: The 5D was always for photographers. I don't doubt the Mark IV is a very capable stills camera.

@"Most of the features and 'specs' that people are complaining about will never be realized."

For Still or Video?
For video Sony just destroyed the 5dMKIV and 2017 is just around the corner. (Sony A9R and A9S and Panasonic GH5)
 
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