Tinky said:
i didn't miss it. I just wasn't talking about it. Woukd you care to chip in about the price of cheese as I wasn't talking about that either.
Even if canon did go do doen that route... (damn, I've bitten) ... and it's not a bad implementation, too many folk erroneously (in my view) want to shoot video on a 135 format.
Canon have actually got their primary 4k sensor, that is the s35 8mp sensor, bang on. But then, I wasn't talking about that either.
My main points were- let the stills only guys have their day, and that any dslr form, be it a gh4 (okay not a dslr Mr. Pedant) or the a7r2d2 (not a dslr either Mr Pedant) isn't a form that professional video guys would want to shoot with, and the only folk who actually 'need' 4k are high end professionsl users.
I love it when folk hark on about the a7 in particular, because they are absolutely ghastly to use for video, riven with lens mount caveats, designed as they are with the compromises of a dslr format - when they aren't even DSLRs! hahaha!
And don't even start ne on the a7 codec...
Sometimes quality is better than quantity.
The stills guys should be veryhappy, the video guys shoukd be looking elsewhere.
You're wrong there. You're only seeing video cameras as either a camcorder or full blown unweildly cinema camera. The fact is that ever since Canon came out with the 5D Mark II it changed the game for DSLRs. It was no longer a camera purely for still photography. The video feature revolutionized that market and added a whole new market of customers who started buying and using DSLRs for video (some use these SOLELY for video in fact). The DSLR ergonomics wasn't designed for video, no. BUT the major advantage they have are having large/full frame sensors in tiny bodies that are perfect for wedding/event shooters. Yes if we were making big budget movies we'll get a cinema camera, but not all productions could afford that. Smaller budget films, and especially wedding/event shooters are the perfect use for DSLR form factor.
Look at sites like EOSHD and Cinema5D that cropped up and are dedicated to DSLR video/filmmaking. Go to trade shows like NAB and see how much support equipment and accessories are made specifically for DSLR video.
The fact is that Canon started this trend so the expectations are that they will at the very least keep up with the competition. Instead it looks like they're backing off. Instead of furthering their DSLR video line, they instead come up with EOS cinema cameras to go up against established players like RED and BlackMagic. But they don't have the feature or price advantage at that level. And because they have that new cinema camera line, they're afraid of cannibalizing those sales by putting out a DSLR with the same capabilities. The problem is that Sony and Panasonic are doing it already and in comparison it looks like Canon is holding back. They have the tech and can easily do it if they wanted to. It was poor business strategy and they've dug themselves into a hole with that EOS cinema line.
I've already mentioned it before, I've already bought a GH4. I likely will buy the a7R II if there's no news from Canon. Just because you don't have any clients asking for 4K yet doesn't mean that Canon should fall behind and hold back features that we all know are possible. It just makes us hesitant to stay with Canon. Don't get me wrong. I love the 5D Mark III ever since I bought it the day it came out and have been enjoying and using the hell out of it (and so do clients). But it's definitely getting long in the tooth and Canon is due for the next big thing and they better hurry or else a lot of us will be jumping ship.
Good thing all the competition has/will have full adapters for Canon EF lenses so we can still keep the excellent lens collections.
As a still shooter, I'll still be happy with the 5D Mark III. I don't have a need for 50MP for any of the work that I'm currently doing, but if that day ever comes then I might look at the 5DS.
As a video shooter, the 5D Mark III will still be great for shooting lowlight events/weddings in 1080p but I've already moved on to the GH4 (with speed boosted Canon glass) for 4K and slowmo capabilities and will be eyeing the a7R II when that releases. As of now, it doesn't look like there's any compelling Canon DSLR body options for us in the near future.
It was nice to have a 'do it all' camera that could handle both stills and video for the past few years but it looks like we'll have to go back to having 2 separate bodies soon.
It's just so disappointing that Canon is not listening to a huge portion of their user base. Like you said, still shooters will be happy, but it'll piss off all the video shooters. To us it just looks like Canon is holding back on new features and they don't have any good explanation for it.
Imagine if Canon came out with new DSLR bodies that have higher megapixels, but didn't bother to update other things like higher res LCD screens, still had USB 2.0, didn't support the newest/fastest CF and SD cards, didn't improve the AF system. Like it or not, video is now a feature and important spec of DSLRs and by not keeping up with what's current Canon is only hurting themselves.
Even most current smartphones out NOW can shoot 4K and slowmo video. Sure they won't get the same kind of image quality of course, but it's downright SHAMEFUL that a frigging phone can outspec a top of the line dedicated camera. Don't you think?
