Review: Canon EOS M5 by DPReview

[infared]

I have a Canon FF system...That's fine. There are other capable systems as well.
I also have an extensive, small mirrorless system.
It isn't Canon..."to me"...for obvious reasons.
Funny how so many are hooked on a brand name and attack the reviewers who repeatedly state obvious facts about the M system cameras.
Very relevant ones. They are facts. Not vendetta.
It is amusing.

 

[jebrady03]

Dustin Abbott finds most of the stuff he tests great. For me there is too much "pleasing" in there.

Maybe that's because most products released today are 95% great and it's that last 5% that sets one product apart from another. But for MOST people, practically anything released today will produce great images (be it a body or lens). Dustin tends to review things from a real-world perspective. It's obvious from his reviews and if you're completely oblivious to the obvious, he actually flat-out states it on occasion. In the real world, gear today is very, very good. What's telling to me, for Dustin's reviews, is what he ends up adding to his kit. THAT is the true measure of "real world" as it seems to me that Dustin is NOT in the habit of wasting money and he tends to add pieces of gear that are truly unique in some capability or another (or several) and/or pieces which are an excellent value for the performance they provide relative to the other offerings on the market.

 

[rajdude]

.........<p>Most of the reviews we’ve read about the Canon EOS M5 have been relatively positive, especially when compared to the first iterations of the EOS M system. ......

Ummm....have we read it carefully? 8) Did anyone notice the fatal flaw in the camera??, as far as I am concerned? I am referring to the problem reported by dpreview where they claim that the shutter is unresponsive.

On page 7:
"Shutter button lacks responsiveness"
and later on in the same page:

"and the shutter can be unresponsive at times; mashing it to grab a fleeting moment won't always fire off an image, as you need to intentionally half-press before every shot for reliable results. "

Also on page 4 there is more detail:

"Intentionally half-pressing before shots or keeping the shutter half-pressed between shots will result in the most responsive experience (because focus and exposure are already locked), but if you take your finger off the shutter button and then mash it (perhaps to capture an unexpected moment), you'll be greeted with a solid delay before the camera fires, even if your subject hasn't changed much in depth. Unfortunately, even attempting to circumvent the camera's need to lock focus and exposure by enabling back-button (or manual) focus and shooting in full manual doesn't resolve this issue."


For this day and age, this is totally unacceptable especially in a thousand dollar camera!
Remember, we are not handling a cellphone here. Even most current point and shoots will fire off their shutter if the button is mashed. I got a Olympus TG-4, it sure does. ;D

My 6D will ABSOLUTELY 100% fire off a shot if I press the shutter, no matter what, focus and/or exposure locked or not (I use back button focus). ;D

I had a little bit of discussion there about this problem:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-m5-review?comment=3321734778


I am still taking all this with a pinch of salt......I gotta have a M5 in my own hands to verify this....before I will buy it. I had one on pre-order, I cancelled it....hoping for a better deal....which of course, will not happen any time soon ;-)


PS: About bias....well, everyone is biased.....but like someone said above, read between the lines. You may find flaws which they may not "shout" about.

 

[Etienne]

.........<p>Most of the reviews we’ve read about the Canon EOS M5 have been relatively positive, especially when compared to the first iterations of the EOS M system. ......

Ummm....have we read it carefully? 8) Did anyone notice the fatal flaw in the camera??, as far as I am concerned? I am referring to the problem reported by dpreview where they claim that the shutter is unresponsive.

On page 7:
"Shutter button lacks responsiveness"
and later on in the same page:

"and the shutter can be unresponsive at times; mashing it to grab a fleeting moment won't always fire off an image, as you need to intentionally half-press before every shot for reliable results. "

Also on page 4 there is more detail:

"Intentionally half-pressing before shots or keeping the shutter half-pressed between shots will result in the most responsive experience (because focus and exposure are already locked), but if you take your finger off the shutter button and then mash it (perhaps to capture an unexpected moment), you'll be greeted with a solid delay before the camera fires, even if your subject hasn't changed much in depth. Unfortunately, even attempting to circumvent the camera's need to lock focus and exposure by enabling back-button (or manual) focus and shooting in full manual doesn't resolve this issue."


For this day and age, this is totally unacceptable especially in a thousand dollar camera!
Remember, we are not handling a cellphone here. Even most current point and shoots will fire off their shutter if the button is mashed. I got a Olympus TG-4, it sure does. ;D

My 6D will ABSOLUTELY 100% fire off a shot if I press the shutter, no matter what, focus and/or exposure locked or not (I use back button focus). ;D

I had a little bit of discussion there about this problem:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-m5-review?comment=3321734778


I am still taking all this with a pinch of salt......I gotta have a M5 in my own hands to verify this....before I will buy it. I had one on pre-order, I cancelled it....hoping for a better deal....which of course, will not happen any time soon ;-)


PS: About bias....well, everyone is biased.....but like someone said above, read between the lines. You may find flaws which they may not "shout" about.

A major problem for sure!
Another one is that the camera will not power down if left alone. If you forget to turn it off, the battery will be dead when you pick it up next.
Hopefully Canon can fix some of these things in firmware.

 

[rajdude]

A major problem for sure!
Another one is that the camera will not power down if left alone. If you forget to turn it off, the battery will be dead when you pick it up next.
Hopefully Canon can fix some of these things in firmware.

Oh yes! That too! Thanks for posting.
I am in the habit of leaving my 6D on all the time, never drains the battery. With this, I will have to worry about it. Isn't there a auto-shut off setting in it?

 

[ritholtz]

.........<p>Most of the reviews we’ve read about the Canon EOS M5 have been relatively positive, especially when compared to the first iterations of the EOS M system. ......

Ummm....have we read it carefully? 8) Did anyone notice the fatal flaw in the camera??, as far as I am concerned? I am referring to the problem reported by dpreview where they claim that the shutter is unresponsive.

On page 7:
"Shutter button lacks responsiveness"
and later on in the same page:

"and the shutter can be unresponsive at times; mashing it to grab a fleeting moment won't always fire off an image, as you need to intentionally half-press before every shot for reliable results. "

Also on page 4 there is more detail:

"Intentionally half-pressing before shots or keeping the shutter half-pressed between shots will result in the most responsive experience (because focus and exposure are already locked), but if you take your finger off the shutter button and then mash it (perhaps to capture an unexpected moment), you'll be greeted with a solid delay before the camera fires, even if your subject hasn't changed much in depth. Unfortunately, even attempting to circumvent the camera's need to lock focus and exposure by enabling back-button (or manual) focus and shooting in full manual doesn't resolve this issue."


For this day and age, this is totally unacceptable especially in a thousand dollar camera!
Remember, we are not handling a cellphone here. Even most current point and shoots will fire off their shutter if the button is mashed. I got a Olympus TG-4, it sure does. ;D

My 6D will ABSOLUTELY 100% fire off a shot if I press the shutter, no matter what, focus and/or exposure locked or not (I use back button focus). ;D

I had a little bit of discussion there about this problem:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-m5-review?comment=3321734778


I am still taking all this with a pinch of salt......I gotta have a M5 in my own hands to verify this....before I will buy it. I had one on pre-order, I cancelled it....hoping for a better deal....which of course, will not happen any time soon ;-)


PS: About bias....well, everyone is biased.....but like someone said above, read between the lines. You may find flaws which they may not "shout" about.

Something odd here. 70D has touch focus option. It fires a shot as soon as one touches screen. Focusing, metering happens instantly. Not sure why it needs half press for focusing/metering.

 

[Loswr]

Something odd here. 70D has touch focus option. It fires a shot as soon as one touches screen. Focusing, metering happens instantly. Not sure why it needs half press for focusing/metering.

PowerShot firmware base? Or just a firmware screwup...

 

[Deleted member 7828]

Shutter lag has always been a big issue with the M cameras - which is a major factor why they can never truly replace my DSLR for most serious shooting. In handling the M5 at a local store, it certainly feels a tad snappier than my M10, but at the cost of a larger size. However, it has nowhere near the responsiveness of my 5D3, or even my 5DSR. That being said, I really do like the EVF implementation on the M5 as well as the button placement - feels more like a "real" camera in my hands than a toy that happens to take photos. The increased FPS may even mean it may be competent at shooting slow to moderate action, but haven't been able to verify this (with the other M cameras, forget it).

I might see what the new M camera reportedly coming in Feb is all about before making any further decisions...there will always be desire for an M10-size camera in my collection for certain environments I shoot in - more speed (e.g., DPAF) and at least a mode dial is all I'd ask for, and if those items can be added to the next one without added bulk, then that'll be good enough for me.

 

[Wizardly]

A meta-review of the DPR review:

Summary: DPR phones in another review, measures almost nothing, and provides us with yet another single-user review by the author; whether or not the authors impressions and requirements match anyone else's is highly suspect. The review is utterly unhelpful for making a buying decision for either a new camera or replacing an old one. One wonders if DPR continues to be relevant. The golden age of being the go-to database of cameras continues to fade into distant memory.

Page 1:
Peer class is anemic. Should include: 80D, D7200, OM-D E-M5.2, X-E2s. It's not like there is a size limit on data tables.

Should also include a comparison to predecessor EOS M3.

Page 3:
Zero comparison to predecessor, contemporaries, not even a photo. Surely someone at DPR can take a photo of cameras.

Zero images of the actual interface. What am I getting, EOS interface, Powershot interface, something else?

"...as you'd expect, some larger lenses can lead to an unbalanced feeling..." and I expect DPR to point out that this is a problem of all DSLM cameras given their small size, including Sony, Fuji, Olympus, etc....

"Inexplicably, the Auto ISO behavior on the EOS M5 has been crippled..." avoid over-dramatization.
"...as it severely limits the usefulness of Auto ISO in general." avoid over-dramatization.
The sky is not falling. It's simply not as useful as it could be.

Page 4:
Not a single mention of AF sensitivity. EV range? Maximum/minimum aperture? Accuracy test data? Time to lock on?

"Shutter blackout (either in the viewfinder or on the screen) is longer than most competitors at this point; it's long enough to be a problem even with subjects moving at modest speeds and at moderate focal lengths." You need to provide data.

"...intentionally half-pressing before shots or keeping the shutter half-pressed between shots will result in the most responsive experience (because focus and exposure are already locked), but if you take your finger off the shutter button and then mash it (perhaps to capture an unexpected moment), you'll be greeted with a solid delay before the camera fires..." How long of a delay. Provide data.

"It should be noted, though, that overall, the EOS M5 makes for a more responsive live view experience in almost every way than the EOS 80D - right down to the 7fps burst shooting with autofocus (9fps with it locked)." Exactly how so? Cite examples. What is the 80D burst rate since you mention the M5?

"As far as the EVF, if you lower the camera for a fraction of a second to re-check the action and raise it back to your eye, you'll likely miss a shot due to the delay in switching from the EVF to the screen and back again..." How long is the delay? Measure it, provide data.

DPR used to provide tables of performance of the camera and relative to its peers. No longer. It seems DPR simply stopped testing cameras entirely. Instead, we get an impressions page instead of data.

Page 5:
DPR continues to fail to measure the ISO invariant point. For the 80D it was measured at around 500 by photonstophotos.net. Comparison
http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/Sensor_Characteristics.htm

Page 6:
"Thankfully, rolling shutter is well-tamed while shooting 24p, and almost non-existent if you choose to shoot in 60p." A comparison would be excellent here. Please create a standard test and measure. Vertical stripes at a set horizontal velocity should provide a simple enough test.

How good is the built in mic? What is the sampling? What is the codec? How are the file sizes?

Page 7:
"Native lens lineup is sorely lacking." Unless you count that EF and EF-S lenses are fully functional and are often comparably sized to their DSLM counterparts even with the adapter (which adds 23mm to the lens).

"Low light image quality significantly worse than peers" avoid hyperbole. Measured results place the difference at 1/3 of a stop, hardly significant.

"Limited buffer for burst shooting" Considering you never told us what the buffer actually was how are we to know?

"Auto ISO almost unusably limited" avoid hyperbole.

"1080p video capture lacks detail" on the previous page you just got done telling us how it was better than the competition in this area! Make up your mind!

 

[jebrady03]

Excellent post/criticisms, Wizardly.

 

[ritholtz]

A meta-review of the DPR review:

Summary: DPR phones in another review, measures almost nothing, and provides us with yet another single-user review by the author; whether or not the authors impressions and requirements match anyone else's is highly suspect. The review is utterly unhelpful for making a buying decision for either a new camera or replacing an old one. One wonders if DPR continues to be relevant. The golden age of being the go-to database of cameras continues to fade into distant memory.

Page 1:
Peer class is anemic. Should include: 80D, D7200, OM-D E-M5.2, X-E2s. It's not like there is a size limit on data tables.

Should also include a comparison to predecessor EOS M3.

Page 3:
Zero comparison to predecessor, contemporaries, not even a photo. Surely someone at DPR can take a photo of cameras.

Zero images of the actual interface. What am I getting, EOS interface, Powershot interface, something else?

"...as you'd expect, some larger lenses can lead to an unbalanced feeling..." and I expect DPR to point out that this is a problem of all DSLM cameras given their small size, including Sony, Fuji, Olympus, etc....

"Inexplicably, the Auto ISO behavior on the EOS M5 has been crippled..." avoid over-dramatization.
"...as it severely limits the usefulness of Auto ISO in general." avoid over-dramatization.
The sky is not falling. It's simply not as useful as it could be.

Page 4:
Not a single mention of AF sensitivity. EV range? Maximum/minimum aperture? Accuracy test data? Time to lock on?

"Shutter blackout (either in the viewfinder or on the screen) is longer than most competitors at this point; it's long enough to be a problem even with subjects moving at modest speeds and at moderate focal lengths." You need to provide data.

"...intentionally half-pressing before shots or keeping the shutter half-pressed between shots will result in the most responsive experience (because focus and exposure are already locked), but if you take your finger off the shutter button and then mash it (perhaps to capture an unexpected moment), you'll be greeted with a solid delay before the camera fires..." How long of a delay. Provide data.

"It should be noted, though, that overall, the EOS M5 makes for a more responsive live view experience in almost every way than the EOS 80D - right down to the 7fps burst shooting with autofocus (9fps with it locked)." Exactly how so? Cite examples. What is the 80D burst rate since you mention the M5?

"As far as the EVF, if you lower the camera for a fraction of a second to re-check the action and raise it back to your eye, you'll likely miss a shot due to the delay in switching from the EVF to the screen and back again..." How long is the delay? Measure it, provide data.

DPR used to provide tables of performance of the camera and relative to its peers. No longer. It seems DPR simply stopped testing cameras entirely. Instead, we get an impressions page instead of data.

Page 5:
DPR continues to fail to measure the ISO invariant point. For the 80D it was measured at around 500 by photonstophotos.net. Comparison
http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/Sensor_Characteristics.htm

Page 6:
"Thankfully, rolling shutter is well-tamed while shooting 24p, and almost non-existent if you choose to shoot in 60p." A comparison would be excellent here. Please create a standard test and measure. Vertical stripes at a set horizontal velocity should provide a simple enough test.

How good is the built in mic? What is the sampling? What is the codec? How are the file sizes?

Page 7:
"Native lens lineup is sorely lacking." Unless you count that EF and EF-S lenses are fully functional and are often comparably sized to their DSLM counterparts even with the adapter (which adds 23mm to the lens).

"Low light image quality significantly worse than peers" avoid hyperbole. Measured results place the difference at 1/3 of a stop, hardly significant.

"Limited buffer for burst shooting" Considering you never told us what the buffer actually was how are we to know?

"Auto ISO almost unusably limited" avoid hyperbole.

"1080p video capture lacks detail" on the previous page you just got done telling us how it was better than the competition in this area! Make up your mind!

5d4 is the only camera where they provided measurable data for rolling shutter asked people don't get ahead of themselves.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/7057004492/don-t-get-ahead-of-yourself-canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-rolling-shutter-test

Thanks

 

[Quackator]

The M5 is a great camera, love it very much, carry it as
mandatory minimum and always along the big ones.

It has only one really big downside: Canon has deliberately
crippled it so it can't tether to a computer, not via USB nor Wifi.

I always love to hear things like this .. you got facts that it was deliberate?

I love hearing things like this, when people have no clue.

The camera can tether to smartphones and tablets, and with a CIG account
it will even transfer images via infrastructure mode directly to computers,
when logged in to the same router/access point.

So, the hardware can easily do it. Infrastructure mode is even better
than 95% of the competition.

Deliberately crippling means that they could have done it, (...)

Exactly. Instead they decided to try and force CIG on M5 users.

 

[M_S]

Dustin Abbott finds most of the stuff he tests great. For me there is too much "pleasing" in there.

Maybe that's because most products released today are 95% great and it's that last 5% that sets one product apart from another. But for MOST people, practically anything released today will produce great images (be it a body or lens). Dustin tends to review things from a real-world perspective. It's obvious from his reviews and if you're completely oblivious to the obvious, he actually flat-out states it on occasion. In the real world, gear today is very, very good. What's telling to me, for Dustin's reviews, is what he ends up adding to his kit. THAT is the true measure of "real world" as it seems to me that Dustin is NOT in the habit of wasting money and he tends to add pieces of gear that are truly unique in some capability or another (or several) and/or pieces which are an excellent value for the performance they provide relative to the other offerings on the market.

Why a review then? If everything today is great, then there is no need to point that out. If products tend to get better, then the categories if one product is top or flop have to be sharpened.
If you already bought the product and need the assurance that you bought a fine product, his reviews are quite good for that and perhaps thats the target audience (as there is an audience for everything).

 

[Deleted member 378664]

Another one is that the camera will not power down if left alone. If you forget to turn it off, the battery will be dead when you pick it up next.
Hopefully Canon can fix some of these things in firmware.

That one is not true. In the submenu 2 of the wrench menu you can configure Power Saving: Auto power down can be set as 30sec., 1min, 3min, 5min, 10min and deactivated.
It is "only" a stand-by mode. Last night I forgot to switch off the Cam, but today I found it in stand-by mode. Battery shows full charge. So the current consumption seems to be very very low.

Frank

 

[Etienne]

Another one is that the camera will not power down if left alone. If you forget to turn it off, the battery will be dead when you pick it up next.
Hopefully Canon can fix some of these things in firmware.

That one is not true. In the submenu 2 of the wrench menu you can configure Power Saving: Auto power down can be set as 30sec., 1min, 3min, 5min, 10min and deactivated.
It is "only" a stand-by mode. Last night I forgot to switch off the Cam, but today I found it in stand-by mode. Battery shows full charge. So the current consumption seems to be very very low.

Frank

That's great to hear. Thanks for the correction!

 

[dak723]

Dustin Abbott finds most of the stuff he tests great. For me there is too much "pleasing" in there.

Maybe that's because most products released today are 95% great and it's that last 5% that sets one product apart from another. But for MOST people, practically anything released today will produce great images (be it a body or lens). Dustin tends to review things from a real-world perspective. It's obvious from his reviews and if you're completely oblivious to the obvious, he actually flat-out states it on occasion. In the real world, gear today is very, very good. What's telling to me, for Dustin's reviews, is what he ends up adding to his kit. THAT is the true measure of "real world" as it seems to me that Dustin is NOT in the habit of wasting money and he tends to add pieces of gear that are truly unique in some capability or another (or several) and/or pieces which are an excellent value for the performance they provide relative to the other offerings on the market.

Why a review then? If everything today is great, then there is no need to point that out. If products tend to get better, then the categories if one product is top or flop have to be sharpened.
If you already bought the product and need the assurance that you bought a fine product, his reviews are quite good for that and perhaps thats the target audience (as there is an audience for everything).

A review is a review - not necessarily a critique. A reviewer can feel free to point out his or her observations. If they think everything is great that is a perfectly legitimate review. Perhaps you believe that there is "no need to point that out" but your statement has no logical basis.

Your logic is also completely flawed that comparisons have to be sharpened as products improve. The reverse is obviously true. As DR has improved for example, those differences between brands has become increasingly UNimportant since all cameras now have enough DR to produce virtually identical results. Sharpening those differences is misleading and makes it seem like the differences are greater than they are. The same could be said for AF, numbers of frames per second, etc. The differences are now more negligible than ever.

I realize that many of the folks here are basically whiners and complainers who are unhappy with the Canon offerings. When someone points out how incredible cameras are today - and that they take photos that can barely be improved - they don't like to hear that. But that is the truth is many photographers eyes.

 

[Loswr]

I realize that many of the folks here are basically whiners and complainers who are unhappy with the Canon offerings. When someone points out how incredible cameras are today - and that they take photos that can barely be improved - they don't like to hear that. But that is the truth [in] many photographers eyes.

+1

 

[rrcphoto]

The M5 is a great camera, love it very much, carry it as
mandatory minimum and always along the big ones.

It has only one really big downside: Canon has deliberately
crippled it so it can't tether to a computer, not via USB nor Wifi.

I always love to hear things like this .. you got facts that it was deliberate?

I love hearing things like this, when people have no clue.

The camera can tether to smartphones and tablets, and with a CIG account
it will even transfer images via infrastructure mode directly to computers,
when logged in to the same router/access point.

So, the hardware can easily do it. Infrastructure mode is even better
than 95% of the competition.

I love hearing from someone that has no clue.

EOS utility is a legacy product from canon that does not support according to Magic Lantern different framerates.

the tablet and phone application is not a legacy application.

hard to think it through .. i know.

 

[AvTvM]

EOS Utility is bundled software with every current Canon camera (at least EOS camera, not sure for Powershots). I am not aware that EOS Utility was declared legacy software by Canon. Do you have a source for your claim?

Canon WiFI implementation (like Nikon's) generally sucks and was further NERFED and CRIPPLED in M5 (as in some previous EOS M bodies already). No amount of demagogic tricks by Canon Defense League members can distract from this fact.

 

[M_S]

Dustin Abbott finds most of the stuff he tests great. For me there is too much "pleasing" in there.

Maybe that's because most products released today are 95% great and it's that last 5% that sets one product apart from another. But for MOST people, practically anything released today will produce great images (be it a body or lens). Dustin tends to review things from a real-world perspective. It's obvious from his reviews and if you're completely oblivious to the obvious, he actually flat-out states it on occasion. In the real world, gear today is very, very good. What's telling to me, for Dustin's reviews, is what he ends up adding to his kit. THAT is the true measure of "real world" as it seems to me that Dustin is NOT in the habit of wasting money and he tends to add pieces of gear that are truly unique in some capability or another (or several) and/or pieces which are an excellent value for the performance they provide relative to the other offerings on the market.

Why a review then? If everything today is great, then there is no need to point that out. If products tend to get better, then the categories if one product is top or flop have to be sharpened.
If you already bought the product and need the assurance that you bought a fine product, his reviews are quite good for that and perhaps thats the target audience (as there is an audience for everything).

A review is a review - not necessarily a critique. A reviewer can feel free to point out his or her observations. If they think everything is great that is a perfectly legitimate review. Perhaps you believe that there is "no need to point that out" but your statement has no logical basis.

Your logic is also completely flawed that comparisons have to be sharpened as products improve. The reverse is obviously true. As DR has improved for example, those differences between brands has become increasingly UNimportant since all cameras now have enough DR to produce virtually identical results. Sharpening those differences is misleading and makes it seem like the differences are greater than they are. The same could be said for AF, numbers of frames per second, etc. The differences are now more negligible than ever.

I realize that many of the folks here are basically whiners and complainers who are unhappy with the Canon offerings. When someone points out how incredible cameras are today - and that they take photos that can barely be improved - they don't like to hear that. But that is the truth is many photographers eyes.

Difference review and critique: Total nonsense. A review can spot the pros and cons as well. Just look at some review sides and be done with it. Semantics always come into the play when there is no base for the discusion behind it.
Adjusting measurements when products are getting better and better, or more so, more undistinguishable: Totally the norm, e.g the gaming industry. What you point out may be true, but to be able to differ between products, and that is what a good review delivers (to set it in the context, what is out there and is a competing product), is normally a good sign, that the review is not all praise and glory. Thedigitalpicture offers alternatitives at the end of each review and does a good job in pointing out flaws and whats not to like. In essence: the bread and butter of it all. I am not interested in the super good stuff, the "pleasing" and "surprisingly good", words that are told a lot in the reviews of Mr Abbott. That can be read all over the net in the bought forum post, bought "user" reviews etc. What's key is to know where the product misses in regards to other products on the market. This is the useful information that really helps the buying descision. At least for me.
I am not lecturing people or say they are dumb and are whiners, I just say, for me(!), the reviews of his are too positive and just good for show. Its a matter of preference. I am not into bashing and saying Canon is utter crap. If so, at least for the latest Canon offerings, its my personal opinion, which I sometimes like to write here.
Heck, I am a Canon shooter since my G12, and now still with my trusty Mark III. But taking it to the whining alley all the time when different opinions and Canon critique comes around the corner isn't a style which I tend to follow and is an attitude I find very BS.