Rumor: Nikon Digital FM2 - Retro look

AvTvM said:
I also would have loved to see a fabulous "all-out" Nikon FF mirrorless camera in response to Sony A7/A7R.
One affordable version "STILLS ONLY" and one significantly more expensive version with video-capture, to be precise. Not because it is that much more expensive to make. But because I would love all those videogrpahrers to cross-subsidize my stills cameras ... big time! Rather than trying to free-fride on my stills cameras and clutter them with all sorts of video capture crap.

Unfortunately it's probably always going to be the opposite. Consumers want video - and more features in general: pixels, GPS, wifi, etc. Deciding to leave video out involves a mature understanding of one's needs, and it's proper of the enthusiast/pro - thus the higher price.
 
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Albi86 said:
AvTvM said:
I also would have loved to see a fabulous "all-out" Nikon FF mirrorless camera in response to Sony A7/A7R.
One affordable version "STILLS ONLY" and one significantly more expensive version with video-capture, to be precise. Not because it is that much more expensive to make. But because I would love all those videogrpahrers to cross-subsidize my stills cameras ... big time! Rather than trying to free-fride on my stills cameras and clutter them with all sorts of video capture crap.

Unfortunately it's probably always going to be the opposite. Consumers want video - and more features in general: pixels, GPS, wifi, etc. Deciding to leave video out involves a mature understanding of one's needs, and it's proper of the enthusiast/pro - thus the higher price.

I want liveview, image stabilizer, Wifi and GPS in my next camera. Because - unlike video capture - I put all of those features to good use in my photography. They help me to get and capture better images and share them with others with less effort. generally, they make my life much easier.

I do NOT want or ever use video-capture. I do not want a retro/pseudo-mechanical, wheel-encrusted camera like the Nikon Df.
 
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AvTvM said:
It looks awful, like all the "retro" stuff. It will only be successful, if it comes really cheap, way below D610.
All Nikon has to do is hire you to tell them which product would be "successful" ::) incredible, who knew sales and marketing was that simple.
 
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Rienzphotoz said:
AvTvM said:
It looks awful, like all the "retro" stuff. It will only be successful, if it comes really cheap, way below D610.
All Nikon has to do is hire you to tell them which product would be "successful" ::) incredible, who knew sales and marketing was that simple.

yep, good idea. ;-)
Sometimes it's really simple. Just watch and see how well this Nikon Df will sell if it is priced above D610. :-)
 
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AvTvM said:
Rienzphotoz said:
AvTvM said:
It looks awful, like all the "retro" stuff. It will only be successful, if it comes really cheap, way below D610.
All Nikon has to do is hire you to tell them which product would be "successful" ::) incredible, who knew sales and marketing was that simple.

yep, good idea. ;-)
Sometimes it's really simple. Just watch and see how well this Nikon Df will sell if it is priced above D610. :-)
OK, Prophet AvTvM
 
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Rienzphotoz said:
Lichtgestalt said:
could not care less about a retro looking camera.
all the knobs and dials... it looks like some steampunk camera. :)

and retro gets lame fast....
::) ::) ::)

+1

The problem is that if you really really make the perfect camera and you price it nicely, it will be the last camera you're going to sell. Just look at how many Nikonians are still so happy with their D700/D3X/D300s that they don't feel the need to upgrade. Let's be honest, if the 5D2's AF wasn't crap and the 5D3's great, how many people would have upgraded?
 
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Albi86 said:
The problem is that if you really really make the perfect camera and you price it nicely, it will be the last camera you're going to sell. Just look at how many Nikonians are still so happy with their D700/D3X/D300s that they don't feel the need to upgrade. Let's be honest, if the 5D2's AF wasn't crap and the 5D3's great, how many people would have upgraded?

It is evident, that there are LOADS of Canon and Nikon users who would LOVE to buy a great, decently priced [= around USD/€ 1500] 7D II and D400. But CaNikon are not willing and/or not able to get one out.

Instead ... retro stuff. Hate it. Ugly, wheels & knobs all over. Don't want to be a steam engine operator. Had manual-focus stuff way back in the 70ies. Done with it. For good.
 
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This isn't just retro looking for retro' sake.
Nikon makes 2-handed cameras. This looks to be an improvement in common control ergonomics over the bodies I've used. No fiddling with myriads of buttons all over; they're convenient but you need to spend enough time to know where they are and if you're wearing gloves... fuggeddabowdit!
These are nice big dials for ISO, EV comp, shutter, etc.

Canon did something similar but they called it a G11. ;)

If the ergos fit as well as they look, it's a good step. Looks like plenty of useful still features and no video hooey to clutter up Nik's not-so-intuituve interface or control layout.

I LIKE IT! :)
it's be a little like going back to my old A-1
 
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When I first saw the OM-D i thought it was very cynical, appealing to users of the entirely different Om cameras with fond memories.

However, the OM-D is actually a treat to use. It shouldn't be called the OM_D or OM anything, but hey.

This Nikon is very pretty (the top half) but very cynical. Just don't know why you wouldn't just buy a regular Nikon DSLR if you were in the Nikon system.

Also, why a G lens? This deserves an AF-D surely?
 
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Aglet said:
I LIKE IT! :)
it's be a little like going back to my old A-1

And there you have it in a nutshell...

Not every one using DSL's were born in time only to use DSL's - many of us were around long digital had left the Sci Fi table ad enjoyed film - which in turn left many of us with a favourite "film" camera.

Yes, that's right - "film", capable of no more than 36 shots at a time and requiring no preview until development and needing the use of 'chemicals' to process a picture to look different to what would be produced from the negative (RAW for the younger members of the community ::) ).

Very often, people fell into a body and hardly changed from it, until it no longer worked and the cost of repair was more than raplcement - for me this was also the A1 - especially with the MD offering 5 fps (can you believe it - 5 fps in 1984?). But the overiding thing with all these camera bodies was their 'retro' look as it is called today.

But in truth - they were all designed to be fully functional and strangely, many of the 'retro' cameras are being picked up by those of us old enough to have used them. Simple truth is - we could set apaerture and shutter as easily as any modern computer controlled light meter can today and we could focus almost as quickly - but i have to admit the ability to 'track' subjects wasn't quite as convenient. Did i also mention that most of these 'retro' cameras could be carried in a pocket and not need a weekender bag to be lugged around in. They did not require a portion of the national grid in batteries to operate, and they did not come with loads of bugs that required multitudes of firmware upon release to put right the constant problems found after development.

That is why the camera in my pocket nowadays is a Fuji X-Pro 1 - in full manual mode. Yes, it really does go around in my pocket with its wonderful 35mm f1.4 lens (soon to be accompanied by the equally amazing 23mm f1.4 lens) and yes, my trips to the doctor with shoulder and back aches have ceased. As much as I love the 5D2, the X-Pro 1 really takes me back to those 'retro' days and puts a spark back into my photography.

It allows me to think, do, and be proud of the finished product - unlike the 5D2 that requires a bit of thought with the A/F - and ends up as not much more than a very large P&S that does everything for you.

Now, if Canon were to release a digital version of the A1 along with lenses of similar size with an A ring on the actual lens - well I'd be getting into fights with other old timers to be at the fron of the queue.

Boys, enjoy your toys - but don't 'dis' us older people who aspired to become masters of 'film' photography and the dark room.
 
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Again and again, you guys who play on 5D3 or 1Dx and who are looking for a tiny camera that fits in a pocket without compromising your IQ, i recommend you to have a look at Leica's... Once you get the way the manual focus works, it may even be faster and more accurate than an AF camera.
And if you enjoy the retro-look, you'll be happy forever with your Leica under you jacket.
 
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