Rumors roundup by Jarred Abrams concerning Nov 3rd

[pedro]

Jared's recent Blog post from Oct 31 says:

The Uber announcement from Canon on November 3rd, 2011 is just a few days away and I wanted to lay out what I have heard about the cameras so far. Red is also announcing the release of the much anticipated Scarlet. This is all second hand info gathered from various sources and methods including carrier pigeon.

* There will be at least two cameras announced, possibly three.
* PL and EF for sure. I also think a 5D3 will be “announced” but not shown.*
A Set of Canon Prime Lenses will be shown. All manual capability.*** This is Big.
* We already know about two PL zooms shown at NAB 2011.
* Removable LCD.
* No 60P Full HD. Only 720
* 4:2:2 with 4:4:4 Upgrade as an additional upgrade.
* $10K plus for the EF model and up to $15K for the PL version.
* I think the 5D3 will be a little higher than 5D2 at around $3K.*
There will be less expensive models to follow.

http://wideopencamera.com/cameras/canon-announcement-rumors-round-up-final-thoughts/

Well, I just hope that CR's call isn't spot on this time, at least concerning his 5D3 statement 8)
Two days from now, folks...we all know.
Cheers, Pedro

 

[unfocused]

I learned my lesson with the 1Dx. Never second-guess Canon Rumors guy.

If he says no DSLR, then there will be no DSLR.

 

[thepancakeman]

I learned my lesson with the 1Dx. Never second-guess Canon Rumors guy.

If he says no DSLR, then there will be no DSLR.

Sure I trust him, but he's only CR1'd it, so by his own choice it shouldn't carry too much weight. Here's to hoping!!

 

[photogaz]

I doubt we'll see the 5D Mark III tomorrow or up until February. The focus is on the 1D X at the moment, they can't take that away.

 

[te4o]

Yes, the focus is on the 1Dx but only for a minority of high-end users (NOT saying a SMALL minority as I think most of them will get it). So, there is plenty of rest-over audience to pull focus onto...

 

[intown]

For what it is worth I am going to predict that the 5D Mark III will be announced and available for Christmas.

I would not bet much on this prediction but I feel we will see the 5D iii mentioned.

I am probably wrong but this is a rumor site and it is fun to speculate.

We will find out in a few days.

 

[moreorless]

I doubt we'll see the 5D Mark III tomorrow or up until February. The focus is on the 1D X at the moment, they can't take that away.

Personally I don't think the 1DX needs "focus" all that much to be sucessful, its going to sell to pro's and highly advanced amatures who don't need hype to get them to buy something. Hype really only increases in importance when you start to get down to lower price/spec bodies IMHO where it can sway a more general consumer market.

That said I'm not sure I see the business sense of annoucing a 5D mk3 now unless it will ship within a week or two. The 1DX made sense for early annoucements to allow pro's/companies to budget for it but annoucing a 5D mk3 that doesnt ship until 2012 would surely hurt 5D mk2 christmas sales?

My guess is that alot of the uncertainy about the 5D mk3 is based on Canon reacting to Nikon's potentially D800. An early annoucement to keep 5D users from switching brands would make more sense then.

 

[photogaz]

I doubt we'll see the 5D Mark III tomorrow or up until February. The focus is on the 1D X at the moment, they can't take that away.

That said I'm not sure I see the business sense of annoucing a 5D mk3 now unless it will ship within a week or two. The 1DX made sense for early annoucements to allow pro's/companies to budget for it but annoucing a 5D mk3 that doesnt ship until 2012 would surely hurt 5D mk2 christmas sales?

My guess is that alot of the uncertainy about the 5D mk3 is based on Canon reacting to Nikon's potentially D800. An early annoucement to keep 5D users from switching brands would make more sense then.

I disagree slightly with the first point, but thOse two are excellent points

 

[torger]

I think brand switching must be rare, so I don't think they take that into account. The cost of my lenses by far outweigh the cost of my camera bodies. Selling all lenses and buying the corresponding Nikon lenses would cost quite a lot. Those camera manufacturers are good at looking in people, evil as they are . It would require several years of radically poor camera bodies from Canon and very much better from Nikon to get me to switch.

I also look at lenses when choosing brand (I think body importance is somewhat overrated in relation to lenses, at least for us still life photographers), and for my interests Canon has a better lineup. The TS-E 24mm II and 70-200/2.8 II are two of my favourites, and Nikon's versions are fine but not quite as good. The quality of the version III teleconverters are also impressing. Canon has a 17mm TS-E, which Nikon does not have at all.

And by the way I just got a 5Dmk2 so for me personally the 5Dmk3 could come late 2012 .

 

[Edwin Herdman]

I agree, ditching the EF / EOS brand for cameras sounds useless and absurd.

Current EF lenses, by far and large, ain't no good for video. But the ability to buy a nice future video lens in EF mount would be fun for stills shooters (especially somebody doing a mixed gig - both stills and videos) and for Canon (keeping people tied to the EF mount). However (and I've written about this before) Canon has apparently announced they're supporting the PL mount - seeing if any lenses announced are PL, or EF, or both, is one of the key things to watch for.

I think that Canon has reason enough to try to squash the RED announcement with whatever they're announcing that it doesn't have to be an actual pro video camera, based on that observation alone. They wouldn't be able to squash it with the announcement of anything sub-1D X, though, that would be primarily a stills camera, and I have said before that I highly doubt there is going to be anything in the EOS DSLR range that is better than video than the 1D X until it is replaced, for a variety of reasons. It is being positioned as top-of-the-line. Canon aren't going to confront RED with a new PowerShot, for certain; I think we can also rule out a 5D replacement being better at video. That really only leaves video-only cameras as likely candidates for an announcement.

Would be great if Canon matches or even beats the price of the RED but I think they are going to try to compete in terms of features and "system synergies" of EF or PL mount (remember that PL lenses can be converted to EF mount easily).

 

[ianhar]

I still dont think we will be seeing 5d mark iii until 2012. Its not because that it will kill 1dx sales, it will totally for different purpose. The 5d wont have 1dx af, fps and others feature. I just dont see canon announcing two pro camera bodies both in the same time frame.

The other point is canon might wait to see what nikon is offering in the d800 before announcing their product. Its a win win. Canon announce 1dx first so nikon could try and beat it and steal their market. Canon would want d800 to be announce first so they can steal nikon's market afterward.

 

[bornshooter]

I have said all along the 5d mk2 is what put canon on the map with film makers and for them to hold an event on the 3rd (3rd) and not to announce its sucessor the mk3 would be stupid they will talk about the 5dmk2 and announce the mk3 i put my life on it

 

[iaind]

I have said all along the 5d mk2 is what put canon on the map with film makers and for them to hold an event on the 3rd (3rd) and not to announce its sucessor the mk3 would be stupid they will talk about the 5dmk2 and announce the mk3 i put my life on it

Don't hold your breath.
While I agree 5DII was great with video makers the 1DX will be Canon's DSLR push at the moment.
I think 5D3 may be announced in spring with launch at Photokina.

Only time will tell.

 

[theuserjohnny]

I have said all along the 5d mk2 is what put canon on the map with film makers and for them to hold an event on the 3rd (3rd) and not to announce its sucessor the mk3 would be stupid they will talk about the 5dmk2 and announce the mk3 i put my life on it

It didn't put them on the map... it generated interest. Sure they take great video but when it comes down to it these are cameras built with photographers in mind. Its not like people are shooting entire feature length films with this camera, people use this camera as a B and C camera. The 5D2 showed what potential Canon had in the video market... at the moment RED and Sony dominate the market for lower end models. The recent Pirates film and the upcoming Hobbit movie had used the RED cameras for their filming. Every now and then you'll hear about a company using a 5D2 to film little things but not used for the actual principle filming. Can you even name a feature film in recent memory that used the 5D2 for their entire shoot? Again RED has a crap load of film and TV under their belt (if you check out their website). 5D2 on the other hand only has that 1 Episode of House in which it was used for the entire production... other than that there hasn't been a major blockbuster like Pirates to use the camera for the entire shoo.t

 

[moreorless]

I think brand switching must be rare, so I don't think they take that into account. The cost of my lenses by far outweigh the cost of my camera bodies. Selling all lenses and buying the corresponding Nikon lenses would cost quite a lot. Those camera manufacturers are good at looking in people, evil as they are . It would require several years of radically poor camera bodies from Canon and very much better from Nikon to get me to switch.

I also look at lenses when choosing brand (I think body importance is somewhat overrated in relation to lenses, at least for us still life photographers), and for my interests Canon has a better lineup. The TS-E 24mm II and 70-200/2.8 II are two of my favourites, and Nikon's versions are fine but not quite as good. The quality of the version III teleconverters are also impressing. Canon has a 17mm TS-E, which Nikon does not have at all.

And by the way I just got a 5Dmk2 so for me personally the 5Dmk3 could come late 2012 .

I'd say it depends on the users, someone with several thousand pounds worth of Canon lenses is I agree unlikely to switch however someone with say just a 24-105 and a 50 1.4 isnt going to lose much having to sell them off.

 

[ianhar]

I have said all along the 5d mk2 is what put canon on the map with film makers and for them to hold an event on the 3rd (3rd) and not to announce its sucessor the mk3 would be stupid they will talk about the 5dmk2 and announce the mk3 i put my life on it

It didn't put them on the map... it generated interest. Sure they take great video but when it comes down to it these are cameras built with photographers in mind. Its not like people are shooting entire feature length films with this camera, people use this camera as a B and C camera. The 5D2 showed what potential Canon had in the video market... at the moment RED and Sony dominate the market for lower end models. The recent Pirates film and the upcoming Hobbit movie had used the RED cameras for their filming. Every now and then you'll hear about a company using a 5D2 to film little things but not used for the actual principle filming. Can you even name a feature film in recent memory that used the 5D2 for their entire shoot? Again RED has a crap load of film and TV under their belt (if you check out their website). 5D2 on the other hand only has that 1 Episode of House in which it was used for the entire production... other than that there hasn't been a major blockbuster like Pirates to use the camera for the entire shoo.t

The whole season 7 house used 5d mark ii but of course not for all footage.

 

[EYEONE]

I have said all along the 5d mk2 is what put canon on the map with film makers and for them to hold an event on the 3rd (3rd) and not to announce its sucessor the mk3 would be stupid they will talk about the 5dmk2 and announce the mk3 i put my life on it

That's true in a way. The 5D Mark II did catch the attention of film makers. Who, themselves, make up a tiny tiny percentage of people that purchased the 5DII. It's possible that Canon will make the 5DIII a video monster, true, but the reason for doing so would not be because a sliver of the population used the 5DII for video.

Of course, we could be seeing the split in the 5D line that we keep hearing about.

 

[willhuff.net]

3 hours until disappointment

 

[CowGummy]

3 hours until disappointment

Lol! :

 

[thepancakeman]

I have said all along the 5d mk2 is what put canon on the map with film makers and for them to hold an event on the 3rd (3rd) and not to announce its sucessor the mk3 would be stupid they will talk about the 5dmk2 and announce the mk3 i put my life on it

So your life is now forfeit, FYI. ;D