Second camera option

[Hector1970]

Having both I'd take a 5D4 any day over the 5DSR. As Mt Spokane says the 5DSR needs a stable platform and good light to get the best out of if. The 5DIV is a better all rounder. Not amazingly better than a 5DIII just a slight improvement in each area. Currently I have a7DII (which is fast FPS but not much else to recommend it, 5DSR and 5DIV. What I use a lot is an Olympus camera , it has great lens but a shocking menu system. If is however a great backup and travel camera. Two full frames and lens can be very heavy. Just something to consider.

 

[Luds34]

It's all about techniques. I think this handholding issue has been discussed quite a bit and mounting this baby on tripod all the time is just an exaggeration. Some people cannot even take a sharp photo with a smart phone camera.

I'd be interested in hearing from someone who has actually used the camera.

I tend to agree. I mean APS-C was hitting these high pixel densities, very small pixel pitch starting with the 18 MP sensor. Plenty of crop sensors are rocking 24 and 28 MP and I never hear anyone saying you can't get sharp images without a tripod.

 

[Phenix205]

The key here is to know your gear and make most of its strength and mitigate the weakness. This applies to anything we do. 5DsR is more of a niche camera and never was designed as a general purpose workhorse.

I used to carry my 5D3 + 24-70 on my neck or shoulder with the M+11-22 on my wrist, plus a smart phone in my pocket. My wife took a picture of me, busy switching among three "systems" for different purposes. WTF, I told myself to take it easy, just have one camera and one wide angle zoom and be done with it. 5DsR is the just the one as long as you know how to use it.

 

[Al Chemist]

I have owned the 5DSR for 6 months and have only used my 5D3 a couple of times since then. I also own a 6D which also gets little use now. I rarely use a tripod and have zero problems getting incredibly sharp images with the 5DSR. The lenses I almost always use on the 5DSR are the 100-400 L2 and Zeiss 21 f2. With the Zeiss, an f-stop of f8 has everything in focus from 6 feet to infinity and it is almost a point and shoot for landscapes. The cropping advantage is very useful to me even for landscapes and is great for critter shots with the telephoto zoom. I also handhold the Zeiss 100 MP using this camera. The myth that you cannot get sharp photos with the 5DSR handheld is nonsense. You just need to keep your shutter speed up and use good holding technique. I agree that for casual family pictures the 5D3 is much better in terms of file size but when you are "compositionly challenged" as I am, cropping is a blessing.

 

[Phenix205]

Thank you Al Chemist for sharing your experience. The new 6d2 seems to have a 26 MP sensor which expects to have great low light performance. It should also have the dual pixel AF and other good features. I guess my next step after getting the 5DsR is to replace the 5D3 with a 6D2. Look forward to seeing some reviews after it is released.

 

[bholliman]

It's all about techniques. I think this handholding issue has been discussed quite a bit and mounting this baby on tripod all the time is just an exaggeration. Some people cannot even take a sharp photo with a smart phone camera.

I have owned the 5DSR for 6 months and have only used my 5D3 a couple of times since then. I also own a 6D which also gets little use now. I rarely use a tripod and have zero problems getting incredibly sharp images with the 5DSR. ... handhold the Zeiss 100 MP using this camera. The myth that you cannot get sharp photos with the 5DSR handheld is nonsense. You just need to keep your shutter speed up and use good holding technique. I agree that for casual family pictures the 5D3 is much better in terms of file size but when you are "compositionly challenged" as I am, cropping is a blessing.

+1 to both of these comments. The 5DsR performs very well as a multi-use camera and you can definitely take advantage of the additional megapixels shooting hand held!

I sold my 5D Mk3 and gave my son my 6D after I purchased a 5DsR since both were rarely used. The only small advantage of the Mk3 over the sR is 1 FPS, everything else is better with the newer body. 6D's take better images at ISO 3200 and over, but the 5DsR is better at everything else. I use my 5DsR for everything, 90% of the time hand held, and its performs admirably. I don't have any problems getting pixel sharp images hand held using somewhat faster shutter speeds.

That said, the 5D Mk4 is certainly a better all-around camera. But for me the 5DsR checks all the boxes for what I need in a DSLR.

 

[Deleted member 7828]

It IS possible to get sharp shots with the 5DSR handheld, but I concede that you do need a steady hand (and a steady subject as well, particularly at close distances). Fast shutter speeds help, and image stabilization is even better.

Unfortunately you can't really do "run-and-gun" shooting, say, on a city tour or fast-paced event and expect to get the most out of the shots at full-res. I've tried.

 

[dak723]

It's all about techniques. I think this handholding issue has been discussed quite a bit and mounting this baby on tripod all the time is just an exaggeration. Some people cannot even take a sharp photo with a smart phone camera.

I'd be interested in hearing from someone who has actually used the camera.

I tend to agree. I mean APS-C was hitting these high pixel densities, very small pixel pitch starting with the 18 MP sensor. Plenty of crop sensors are rocking 24 and 28 MP and I never hear anyone saying you can't get sharp images without a tripod.

No one is saying you can't get sharp images without a tripod. What people are saying is that you might not get the benefit of all those extra MPs. Your image won't be less sharp with a 50 MP camera, but it may have no more resolution or detail than a 36 MP camera, for example, without a tripod.

 

[seabraham]

Help... and sorry in advance for changing the subject just a bit but it still relates to "second" camera option...

I have owned a 70D for 3 years. Use it for a wide variety of mostly family-related subjects. Soccer for the kids ("official" photographer for the team), school pictures (yeah, tagged for those events too ), travel. Lenses I use routinely include EFS 10-22, 24-70LII, and 70-300L. I finally took the plunge and got the 5Dm4 and couldn't be happier.

And then...

Videoing graduation ceremony at school, the 70D died. Apparently the auto-suicide feature of the 70D if it is used "too much" for video. The motherboard died (mine without any warning such as an error code) and Canon is quoting $420 to fix. The frame count was only about 15k.

And now the issue. I love the EFS 10-22 lens (don't care one bit about the kit lenses that have zero shots through them). I also love the additional (perceived) reach with the crop camera and the 70-300 lens.

So... Do I fix a $700 (refurbished) camera for $400? Get rid of the 10-22? Replace with a different crop camera (for even more)?

 

[hbr]

Help... and sorry in advance for changing the subject just a bit but it still relates to "second" camera option...

I have owned a 70D for 3 years. Use it for a wide variety of mostly family-related subjects. Soccer for the kids ("official" photographer for the team), school pictures (yeah, tagged for those events too ), travel. Lenses I use routinely include EFS 10-22, 24-70LII, and 70-300L. I finally took the plunge and got the 5Dm4 and couldn't be happier.

And then...

Videoing graduation ceremony at school, the 70D died. Apparently the auto-suicide feature of the 70D if it is used "too much" for video. The motherboard died (mine without any warning such as an error code) and Canon is quoting $420 to fix. The frame count was only about 15k.

And now the issue. I love the EFS 10-22 lens (don't care one bit about the kit lenses that have zero shots through them). I also love the additional (perceived) reach with the crop camera and the 70-300 lens.

So... Do I fix a $700 (refurbished) camera for $400? Get rid of the 10-22? Replace with a different crop camera (for even more)?

I don't know your financial situation but have you considered moving up to the 80D. There may not have been an incentive to upgrade in the past but now you have that opportunity. I see the 80D refurbished on sale at Canon Direct for $799 + tax.

Brian

 

[seabraham]

I did consider refurbished 80D or even 7DmII. It's just hard to walk away from the (presently) burned out but fixable 70D. I had only one camera for a while, always griping as I switched lenses. Having the two spoiled me. Once I start even thinking about spending more, suddenly the temptation is to creep up to earlier full frame models But then I lose the wide angle lens. Aargh... :-\

 

[seabraham]

One option then is to fix the 70D and then sell it. I'd at least cover the repair with a few extra net dollars going for the 80D (refurb)

 

[Valvebounce]

Hi seabraham.
I get the 10-22mm lens thing, a really good bit of glass, but you only need a 16-xx mm lens to replicate it on full frame. As for repairing the 70D to sell, you might get almost as much for it unrepaired (as you would selling it repaired less the cost of repair) on that popular auction site!

Cheers, Graham.

One option then is to fix the 70D and then sell it. I'd at least cover the repair with a few extra net dollars going for the 80D (refurb)

 

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I'd sell it on ebay if you don't want to fix it yourself. Parts cameras typically run $275-$400. Replacing the main board tends to be very easy, you can get them from 175-200 on ebay.

Sell the body, keep the batteries, charger, box, and accessories and buy a refurb which has a 1 year warranty, or a 80D refurb for $800.


You come out even or even ahead by selling it, since a good used 70D brings some $500. I even see some selling the old main boards for $50.

 

[Khalai]

I get the 10-22mm lens thing, a really good bit of glass, but you only need a 16-xx mm lens to replicate it on full frame.

16-35/4L IS is more than adequate FF replacement for EF-S 10-22

 

[Valvebounce]

Hi Khalai.
I see from your gear list that you have a 16-35 f/4L IS. As I don't have any FF lenses that wide I felt it proper to make a suggestion rather than a direct recommendation for one particular lens. At some point I hope to go that route as I now have a 1DsIII, the biggest drawback I see is the larger size of the glass to go with FF to get the same focal length, almost twice the weight, but not too much extra volume in the kit bag is needed.

Hi seabraham. Have a look at this link if you need help with rationalising the lens.

Cheers, Graham.

I get the 10-22mm lens thing, a really good bit of glass, but you only need a 16-xx mm lens to replicate it on full frame.

16-35/4L IS is more than adequate FF replacement for EF-S 10-22

 

[Larsskv]

Hi Khalai.
I see from your gear list that you have a 16-35 f/4L IS. As I don't have any FF lenses that wide I felt it proper to make a suggestion rather than a direct recommendation for one particular lens. At some point I hope to go that route as I now have a 1DsIII, the biggest drawback I see is the larger size of the glass to go with FF to get the same focal length, almost twice the weight, but not too much extra volume in the kit bag is needed.

Hi seabraham. Have a look at this link if you need help with rationalising the lens. https://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EF-S-10-22mm-F35-45-USM-on-Canon-EOS-70D-versus-Canon-EF-16-35mm-F4L-IS-USM-on-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-IV-versus-EF16-35mm-F2.8L-II-USM-on-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-IV__475_895_1367_1106_220_1106

Cheers, Graham.

I get the 10-22mm lens thing, a really good bit of glass, but you only need a 16-xx mm lens to replicate it on full frame.

16-35/4L IS is more than adequate FF replacement for EF-S 10-22

Or even better comparizon here (dxo-numbers dont make much sense to me): http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=271&Camera=963&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=949&Sample=0&CameraComp=453&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

 

[Khalai]

Hi Khalai.
I see from your gear list that you have a 16-35 f/4L IS. As I don't have any FF lenses that wide I felt it proper to make a suggestion rather than a direct recommendation for one particular lens. At some point I hope to go that route as I now have a 1DsIII, the biggest drawback I see is the larger size of the glass to go with FF to get the same focal length, almost twice the weight, but not too much extra volume in the kit bag is needed.

Hi seabraham. Have a look at this link if you need help with rationalising the lens. https://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compare/Side-by-side/Canon-EF-S-10-22mm-F35-45-USM-on-Canon-EOS-70D-versus-Canon-EF-16-35mm-F4L-IS-USM-on-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-IV-versus-EF16-35mm-F2.8L-II-USM-on-Canon-EOS-5D-Mark-IV__475_895_1367_1106_220_1106

Cheers, Graham.

I get the 10-22mm lens thing, a really good bit of glass, but you only need a 16-xx mm lens to replicate it on full frame.

16-35/4L IS is more than adequate FF replacement for EF-S 10-22

Unfortunately nobody can cheat physics. If you want quality UWA zoom glass with 43 milimetres of imaging circle, you just can't make it small as e.g. EF-S 24/2.8 Pancake. Flange distance, imaging circle, build quaiity of L line - there is no free lunch...

 

[Valvebounce]

Hi Larsskv.
I did look there, but they don't have the 5DIV as a comparison option whereas the one I used does, I do not know how close the 1DsIII is to the 5DIV that seabraham is using. This was for him not me!

Hi Khalai.
Yep I know all about the no free lunch thing, it is cost that is keeping me in check!

Cheers, Graham.

Or even better comparizon here (dxo-numbers dont make much sense to me): http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=271&Camera=963&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=949&Sample=0&CameraComp=453&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

 

[seabraham]

Re: Second camera option (dead 70D)

It sounds like the consensus recommendation is let go of the crop world (and the 10-22) and just go full frame. I looked at the f4. The price wasn't bad, especially refurbished (had very good luck from Canon with my 24-70/2.8).

Thank you!