Serious Banding at ISO12800 :(

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I was using my new 5dmk3 happily for 2 weeks now.

Today I took some low light shots. I am in shock with the results. :(

Could you please let me know whether this is a hardware problem or not?

If it is something cannot be fixed, can I get a replacement?

Many thanks!
1st picture (Sears Tower) was taken at 12800
2nd picture (1-A74C0807.JPG was taken at H2
3rd picture (1-A74C0808.JPG) was taken at H1
4th picture (1-A74C0809.JPG) was taken at 25600
 

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Your 4th shots done at ISO 25600 actually looks fine to me! I have not played with the H1 and H2 a lot when I had the mkiii for a few days so cannot comment on them. Maybe some other member would know that part...
 
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sevimli said:
I was using my new 5dmk3 happily for 2 weeks now.

Today I took some low light shots. I am in shock with the results. :(

Could you please let me know whether this is a hardware problem or not?

If it is something cannot be fixed, can I get a replacement?

Many thanks!
1st picture (Sears Tower) was taken at 12800
2nd picture (1-A74C0807.JPG was taken at H2
3rd picture (1-A74C0808.JPG) was taken at H1
4th picture (1-A74C0809.JPG) was taken at 25600
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What raw converter did you use?
 
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It looks like you have used Picasa as your RAW converter. I've heard many, many things from many people about problems with Picasa's RAW converter. I can't say for sure that is the problem, but I would run those same photos through Canon's DPP, and if you have the option, Adobe ACR/LR4.1. Canon RAW files have some specific nuances that need to be handled in a very specific way for RAW conversion to produce the best results. At the moment, the only software officially qualified to do so is Canon's own DPP. Adobe ACR and LR4.0 use preliminary/beta converters that are not yet fully tuned to process 5D III files best, and who can say how far along any Picasa converter is.
 
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You got a 5DmkIII and you use Picasa to convert your RAW? :o
That's really something... get at least LR, or better DxO and Photoshop: you'll finally really take advantage of your amazing camera. 8)
 
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dichiaras said:
You got a 5DmkIII and you use Picasa to convert your RAW? :o
That's really something... get at least LR, or better DxO and Photoshop: you'll finally really take advantage of your amazing camera. 8)
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Will this DxO and Photoshop offer an advantage over LR, or even DPP as a RAW converter?
 
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Daniel Flather said:
dichiaras said:
You got a 5DmkIII and you use Picasa to convert your RAW? :o
That's really something... get at least LR, or better DxO and Photoshop: you'll finally really take advantage of your amazing camera. 8)
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Will this DxO and Photoshop offer an advantage over LR, or even DPP as a RAW converter?
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Photoshop uses the same conversion engine as lightroom, but has a lot of editing features that can be used. It also takes a lot of practice to understand them and use them.

DXO tends to produce very good and sharp images upon conversion, but is also slow and attaches sidecar files with the conversion formula that must be kept in the same folder as the image. LR keeps the conversion and edit info in a database, but has a option for sidecar files, or for writing the info into a DNG file.

It really boils down more to personal preference, each has its pro's and cons. With LR dropping their price by such a large amount, Lightroom is going to be very popular.

Another popular low cost editing tool is ACDSEE PRO.(The non pro version does not edit in RAW) I used it for several years with jpeg images, but when I switched to using RAW, I went to lightroom. RAW files is not as user friendly as Lightroom.
 
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Raw converters have their pros n cons.

Used to prefer DxO for ultimate sharpness and detail, still do when absolutely needed, but sometimes comes at cost of lost fine color detail (reds) if CA corrections are used. v6 and v7 both suffer that.

DPP isn't much good at NR but maintains that "Canon look" and can maintain color detail with very good fine luminance detail. Gives DxO a good run for the money. Oh wait, DPP is FREE. :)

LR is great when you really want to push or pull extremes and its NR is still better than DxO 7 on the tough images I've used to compare them.

If you can only afford one, my suggestion is LR. Tho lookin' fwd to latest iteration of DPP later this month to see what it can do for sharpness with its new optics modelling deconvolution blah blah blah.
 
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Apologizes for my late reply.

Thanks for your responses.

These are NOT converted cr2 files. Indeed I have the raw files but I haven't process them yet. In fact they all show the same problem regardless of the file type.

These all are straight OOC jpegs with STD settings and I assure that I didn't touch any of those other than resizing them to upload here (lifting shadows, changing exposure, etc.)
 
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I don't have a 5d Mark III. But that is worse banding than on my 7D. All four pictures are completely unacceptable for straight out of the camera. I'd be exchanging that camera quickly if it were mine.
 
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PerroLoco Imagénes said:
I don't have a 5d Mark III. But that is worse banding than on my 7D. All four pictures are completely unacceptable for straight out of the camera. I'd be exchanging that camera quickly if it were mine.
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That's what I am planning. But the other issue is the availability of the body. :( I know that the store I got mine is out of stock currently.

I can only return it at this point if they would accept. or the other option is to send it in to the Canon Service Center. I really don't like this option, this is a 2-week old brand new camera at the end. :o
 
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neuroanatomist said:
Daniel Flather said:
Will this DxO and Photoshop offer an advantage over LR, or even DPP as a RAW converter?
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I personally prefer DxO as a RAW converter - lower noise whlie mainiatning sharpness, and better lens corrections.
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I really have to try DxO. I keep hearing good things about it but never really gave it a serious try. So Neuro have you compared it to LR4 say and still find it better for IQ?
 
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i find sometimes i get banding when using raw in aperture, but get better results with the same image in ddp or lightroom.

I havent had a chance to test mine out yet, sorry if this was asked or posted, what lens did you use?
 
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sevimli said:
PerroLoco Imagénes said:
I don't have a 5d Mark III. But that is worse banding than on my 7D. All four pictures are completely unacceptable for straight out of the camera. I'd be exchanging that camera quickly if it were mine.
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That's what I am planning. But the other issue is the availability of the body. :( I know that the store I got mine is out of stock currently.

I can only return it at this point if they would accept. or the other option is to send it in to the Canon Service Center. I really don't like this option, this is a 2-week old brand new camera at the end. :o
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If its bad, and that sounds like the case, Canon service probably does not have parts yet and may give you a new camera as a replacement. Call them and ask.
 
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Bosman said:
LR 4 changes my files from how they look on camera with a color cast almost like an overlay. CS5 Bridge doesn't change it at all from the look of the files in camera. I have seen LR in previous versions do this before a lot and i am starting to think bridge may be a better alternatie for true color reproduction...
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I haven't played w LR 4 since the public beta but I think you can set which color model it uses to handle your raw files, similar to the ACR front end of Photoshop or LR3 too?..
Either Adobe's version, in at least 2 different year variations (e.g. 2010) or, I think, "Camera Standard," which seems to provide an image much closer to the Canon processed looked.
 
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