Site trolling

[lo lite]

I call it the Canon Rumors' law or — if you like — the Jrista's law
“As an online camera discussion grows longer, the probability of involving dynamic range approaches one.”

made my day
as there is no need to get personal, and jrista is not the only one constantly picking on this topic (despite earning awards for the most lengthy postings ever), I think Canon Rumor's law ("CR's law" has a quite good sound) fits best.

O.k. valid objection. I'll remove the personal reference in my post. Let it be CR's law.

 

[scottkinfw]

Very well said, Bravo!

There are fan boys on all the sites as there are complainers on all the sites.

There is not a camera made today that some won't be fan boys of and others will consistantly complain about (sometimes they are the same person!)

I do believe that the term "Troll" is being mis/over used on these sites. Sometimes it seems that if someone has a different opinon, they are too quickly labeled a troll. It is a good ad hominem attack.

The important thing to remember is that if someone posts something you disagree with, you DO NOT have to reply.

On the Internets Tubes, no one ever wins an argument... but a lot of people lose one.

 

[David Hull]

I think there is a genuine concern that Canon sensors are no long competitive and are a generation or two behind Sony and Nikon (same sensor). There is some minor gripping about this and that feature or mirroless offerings but the real complaint is the sensor. When Canon had the best sensors (a long run) the Nikon fan sites were awash with similar complaints on their sites and the fanboys saying things like "12MP is all you ever need". Same thing you are seeing now on this site. The fanboys are saying things like "18MP is all you need". "I would never buy a camera with than many mega pixels", or "It's the glass, yeah, thats why I stay with Canon" ignoring the fact that Nikon has equally fine glass and Sony shooters have access to better stuff. If Canon catches up the same old fanboys will be lining up to buy the best stuff and crowing about how important the big sensors are.

I think some of the Canon commenters should feel a bit vindicated by the fact that Nikon just dialed back the MP in their latest FF camera to 24. They must have had some reason for doing that. It wasn't to save money as the sensor will be the same parts cost. I suspect that there were plenty of Nikon users that really had no use for 36 MP. I think they wanted to put something closer to the 5DIII.

Nikon dialed back nothing. Did they take their 36mp sensor off the market?????? They used a cheaper (but better than Canon) sensor so they would not compete against the 820D. They built a camera at a price point (cheaper than Canon, more MP) so as not to cannibalize a market they already serve. Nikon gives their customers a choice of FF sensors "36mm? yeah, we have that..... will 24 do? Sure, we have that too". Canon (18, or 20 or 22....want more? we don't have it and you don't need it....BTW we have better glass). I will not stop saying it. The most important component of a camera is the sensor. Canon sensors are not as good as Nikon and Sony sensors. CANON!! WE WANT BETTER SENSORS!!!! WE WANT WHAT NIKON AND SONY HAVE!!!!

That 24 MP sensor isn't any cheaper than the 36 MP one -- same technology, same wafer cost, same yield, same number of die per wafer -- that's how it works. They put a 24 MP camera on the market because there was demand for better performance in terms of something other than the MP number. I expect that a sufficient number of Nikon users wanted smaller file size and the 62% higher firing rate that comes with it.

As for your last comment, that about sums it up as far as I am concerned. We want it because Nikon and Sony have it. Nothing to do with better photography or any semblance of real practical need. It is all about feature envy from what I can tell. Here is a clue for you: As long as all you do is bellyache on camera forums, Canon needs to take no action. Nikon and Sony apparently make what you want so sell all your stuff and go buy what they make. If more of you mindless whiners did that (instead of all the mindless whining and forum trolling), you would [probably see more action from Canon -- money talks.

 

[fragilesi]

The most important component of a camera is the sensor. Canon sensors are not as good as Nikon and Sony sensors. CANON!! WE WANT BETTER SENSORS!!!! WE WANT WHAT NIKON AND SONY HAVE!!!!

Sensor is most important - matter for debate.

And you don't want what Nikon and Sony have you want what you have with Canon augmented with one component from Nikon / Sony.

 

[sagittariansrock]

You can tell from their interviews that they just don't feel like spending the money, so nothing less than people going on and on and then starting to buy other stuff and suggest other stuff will prod them into action.

You are deluding yourself if you think for a second that Canon isn't spending money on sensors because they don't feel it is important, merely based on that interview by Mr. M. I am certain the bottleneck is that either they haven't developed a better sensor (in terms of DR) yet and it is a work in progress, or they haven't been able to find a way to produce it profitably, and/or they haven't been able to form a collaboration as Nikon has (or decided not to).
It is a question of capability, not intent.
Knowing the resources Canon has at its disposal, I will also speculate it is only a matter of time until we see some great stuff coming out. But only time can confirm that.

 

[Sella174]

It is a question of capability, not intent.

Maybe the patent game backfired on Canon and now they may not use that great sensor they just developed?

 

[sagittariansrock]

It is a question of capability, not intent.

Maybe the patent game backfired on Canon and now they may not use that great sensor they just developed?

You mean the Intellectual ventures thing? It's not a biggie- they are patent trolls- they bother everybody and basically want the money.

 

[Mitch.Conner]

It is a question of capability, not intent.

Maybe the patent game backfired on Canon and now they may not use that great sensor they just developed?

You mean the Intellectual ventures thing? It's not a biggie- they are patent trolls- they bother everybody and basically want the money.

Just a side note: patent assertion entities, AKA "patent trolls", are no minor issue. They're enough of a problem that they filed so many patent infringement complaints with the Southern District of Florida's relatively new patent law pilot program that the program was shut down.

I'm interested in the case referenced though. I was reading the '081 patent and the memorandum order and I wasn't following the court's reasoning. It seemed that they were focused on a silicide being inadvertently formed during manufacture despite it not being a part of Canon's "L34" manufacture process and a single mention of the term "Ti Silicide" in the manual for the Canon process.

I couldn't find a PDF of the final order though. If anybody knows a link for that I'd appreciate it. Normally I have Westlaw and Lexis Nexis access, but right now I don't. I was hoping the RECAP archive would have it, but nope.