So when do we think the 5DS and 5DSR will be updated?

[Pansottin]

OK, dynamic range is always something we would wish for more. Shoot right into the sun and the darkest shadows shall be recoverable. It´s already great and Nikon is only slightly slightly ahead with it on the D810. But really: you can shoot ISO 6400 with the 5 DS R and it´s still a very limited amount of noise that is somehow apprpriate for the level of darkness.

How better in reality is the DR against the 5DMIII (my camera)? And how much better is the Nikon D810?
How about noise against the 5DMIII? And against the Nikon D810 (the ISO 64 is a nice advantage)?
All this is really visible or just specs?

What about banding problems with more aggressive editing?

 

[Maiaibing]

OK, dynamic range is always something we would wish for more. Shoot right into the sun and the darkest shadows shall be recoverable. It´s already great and Nikon is only slightly slightly ahead with it on the D810. But really: you can shoot ISO 6400 with the 5 DS R and it´s still a very limited amount of noise that is somehow apprpriate for the level of darkness.

How better in reality is the DR against the 5DMIII (my camera)? And how much better is the Nikon D810?
How about noise against the 5DMIII? And against the Nikon D810 (the ISO 64 is a nice advantage)?
All this is really visible or just specs?

What about banding problems with more aggressive editing?

5DS/R picture quality is a visible upgrade from the 5DIII. Trust me on this one. Everything is better. Color, noise, DR, wb, anti-flickr, no banding etc.

For noise the noise is slightly less than the 5DIII and slightly more than the 6D. The absence of banding is the biggest difference at high iso. At all iso settings you also get much more detail.

For DR the 5DS/R is somewhat better at low iso (1 1/2 stops) and later starts to converge at higher iso settings, but I'm not "into DR", so I'm no authority on how important this is. My perception is that its significant and there's more latitude. http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm

Overall, if you have a 5DIII today getting the 5DS/R will feel like a very real upgrade in picture quality.

I expect the 5DIV will be even better still by having lower noise and offering another jump up on the DR. You will however of course not get the same detail and resolution as with the 5DS/R.

Have no clue about Nikon 810. Suspect its better with noise and DR but I'm not in the know.

 

[Pansottin]

Thank you very much for your opinion.
Its all good news ,-)

 

[LoneRider]

Seems to me the 5DS[r] would be a great place to add in back side illumination.

So where ever that falls in the mix, 60-120MP, BSI, and everything else the on the 5Div except for slower frame rate.

Question is, would the next 5DS[r] have DPAF?

 

[Diko]

A while ago we heard here on CR that canon had some new sensor tech coming down the pipe, and that the 5ds would get a rather quicker refresh cycle as a consequence.
http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-and-5ds-talk-cr2-2/
Bear in mind this is just a rumor.

I've noted several developments/hints from Canon (well, as much a you do get in their 'interviews') that there is a desire to make use of some of this in a product, but I don't think there is much chance for a 2017 camera, especially with the 5D4 starting to ship in September (and a 6D refresh needed).

+1
In that same CR article is stated: "March 2016 announcement for the Canon EOS 5D Mark IV"

;-)

 

[-1]

Q3 2018

Well that would really suck.
My hope is they update it sooner. Ideally I'm hoping for a new one by spring 2017.

Note a hope for that soon ... my first guestimate always comes from my timeline on the currently rather empty 5Ds mk2 page at:
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5ds_mk2.html

Given the 1Dx 3 will be out for the 2020 olympics - I'd expect a 5D5 to come out that summer.

That makes 2018 a good 'mid point' for the 5Ds2, although timing might be delayed if it meant they could get a really impressive jump in pixels.

Having used the 5Ds for a year now, I appreciate the difference in pixels from my 1Ds3 - I'd like another such jump, so I'm happy to wait for ~120MP in 2019.

Unless, Canon decides to make lenses like the Otuses it's hard to see any benifits above 60MP and I'd would rather expect that to happen with a 1Dxs.

 

[Maiaibing]

Unless, Canon decides to make lenses like the Otuses it's hard to see any benifits above 60MP and I'd would rather expect that to happen with a 1Dxs.

Sounds like you never tried shooting with a high MPIX camera(?).

All your lenses perform visibly better with more MPIX. We are far from the point of utilizing 50 MPIX effectively. 120 MPIX will boost lens performance to a new level.

 

[-1]

Unless, Canon decides to make lenses like the Otuses it's hard to see any benifits above 60MP and I'd would rather expect that to happen with a 1Dxs.

Sounds like you never tried shooting with a high MPIX camera(?).

All your lenses perform visibly better with more MPIX. We are far from the point of utilizing 50 MPIX effectively. 120 MPIX will boost lens performance to a new level.

I won't bore you with facts of life nor ditto of sampling but at some point you have to realize that blur is just blur... Anyways: Sensor tech ain't near the point 75+MP can be achived without losing other significant qualities. But if or then that happens it's most likely to do so in a 1Dsomething.

 

[PeterAlex7]

6DII and 7DIII both are their priority now. I think 2018 is the right time to release 5DS/R successor

 

[Meatcurry]

I don't think there will be a replacement, I suspect that the next high MP sensor will be in a 1D body.

 

[Donkey_Kong]

I don't think there will be a replacement, I suspect that the next high MP sensor will be in a 1D body.

Unlikely, as these cameras have to process a lot of information very quickly. Processing 16 x 75MP frames per second would be tough work.

 

[Meatcurry]

I don't think there will be a replacement, I suspect that the next high MP sensor will be in a 1D body.

Unlikely, as these cameras have to process a lot of information very quickly. Processing 16 x 75MP frames per second would be tough work.

Yeah I wouldn't expect that kind of FPS at full frame, but at crop factors, the current 50MP crops at circa 32MP @ 1.3 and circa 20MP @ 1.6. So I guess a future 1DS could run at 8FPS @ 50MP with the appropriate processors/buffer.

 

[iaind]

Probably with the 5dv with hopefully cfast cards and probably nearer 2021.

5ds/r cheaper than 5d4. which would you buy?

 

[Maiaibing]

Probably with the 5dv with hopefully cfast cards and probably nearer 2021.

5ds/r cheaper than 5d4. which would you buy?

For the price I'd certainly go for the 5DS/R myself.

5DIV looks great and I expect the sensor has better noise and DR than the 5DS/R (of course need to see this verified by real tests) however, the 5DS/R wins big in detail/resolution ~50% better than 5DIV which is more important to me. Also, the 5DS/R has a lot of the key IQ upgrades that you find in the 5DIV. Like its DR is up to 2 full stops better than the 5DIII at lower iso.

Can't go wrong with either.

Good luck with your choice.