So when does everyone think things are going to get back to normal around here?

When will things get back to Normal?

  • After the 5DmkIII and D800 are finally in the wild and real samples

    Votes: 6 12.0%

  • After all the ship jumpers finally just do it

    Votes: 5 10.0%

  • No way it's only going to get worse, the drama so far is only an entree

    Votes: 10 20.0%

  • When canon Announce a Super megapixel beast

    Votes: 8 16.0%

  • In december 2012 when the world finally ends

    Votes: 21 42.0%
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#23
This is pretty much 'normal' after a release. Whatever Canon do, it won't be right for the critics: the 7D "would have been better if Canon had used a 12MP sensor", the 5D MkII was "too noisy", none of the 1D-series after the 1D MkIIn can autofocus on anything. Hell, I'm surprised that Canon are still in business, let alone the market leader! Some have suggested that Canon should buy Sony sensors but that won't help them against the flamers, there would still be some switch that was wrongly positioned or some mode that they didn't like and completely ruined the camera. No, Canon need to buy Nikon's entire line-up and simply rebadge it; even then, I'm sure that there would be something wrong with the paint they'd used on the logo.
 
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#25
Going to get worst. There are at least 3 more bodies to be released and there will certainly be more posts about how (pick one) didn't meet their expectations. This will create more "I'm switching to Nikon" threads.

Also, I think the Mayans knew that on 21 Dec 2012, Canon would release an official statement that they were discontinuing the 7D line and replacing it with the 70D. This will cause mass hysteria which will lead to the end of the world.
 
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#27
I was begining to think Cameras were only for bitching and moaning, come to find out they are actually used for taking photographs. I have never wanted to post over the last year but I have to admit I actually started to post in the past month due to the madness. With the influx of "I'm jumping to Nikon..." now I have to lurk on eBay for all those jumper's "L" lenses flooding the market ;o)

Would anyone like some cheese with all this whine?
 
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#28
moreorless said:
This is really exactly the kind of post the OP was talking about, someone making a person judgement that is not shared by many others and talking it up as a stone cold fact.
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Aside from assuming that Canon fudged up their marketing and approach to the 5D3, what else is a judgment?

  • It's a fact that the d300 is a higher MP camera body - the highest of any currently available in the 35mm format.
  • It's a fact that Canon does not have a camera body with equivalent MP in the 35mm format.
  • It's a fact that a lot of people here are talking about the d800.
  • It's a fact that the d800 is cheaper than the 5D3 and could tempt buyers.
  • It's a fact that Canon won't ignore the d800 (unless they just don't care about the competition).
  • It's a fact that Canon is focusing a segment of their product development on the cinema market (see the C300).
  • It's a fact that Nikon does not have a cinema line of bodies.
  • It's a fact that professional photographers will evaluate all imaging products and choose the camera that gives them the highest quality image - regardless of brand loyalty.

If you think I'm making personal judgments, I think you would be wrong, and in my mind - be it a conscious decision or not - you're ignoring the impact the d800 could have on the dSLR market. I think an objective evaluation of the competition is prudent, especially when it potentially offers a better image at a lower cost. What pro photographer would not want to consider all the options available to him?

Where is the folly in that approach? And I'm asking sincerely - not just to start some flame war.
 
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#29
justsomedude said:
unfocused said:
Not sure what normal is, but I've been pretty impressed with the level of hysteria over the last two weeks.

It seems like we've got more drama queens than a trainload of junior high cheerleaders on their way to a Justin Bieber concert.

People are now reduced to whining about instruction manuals and auto-ISO buttons, not to mention everyone pouring over image files to examine them at sub-atomic levels to see if the molecular structure of the D800 is cleaner.
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While people may be overreacting and really getting crazy in the d800 vs. 5D3 debate, the underlying issue remains: someone at Canon totally f*cked their market research. I wouldn't be surprised if said employee/group is currently unemployed.

A few observations:
  • Canon went for lower MP, thinking the chatter from users leaned towards lower MP - but improved quality
  • Nikon has demonstrated that higher MP doesn't necessarily mean a sacrifice in quality
  • Canon took a gamble that Nikon could not produce a mind-blowing high MP body. They took that gamble and, in the short term at least - lost
  • Nikon is likely under-pricing their d800 as a loss-leader to get Canon people talking, and possibly jumping ship. And so far... it's genius marketing, because - well - it's working. We're all talking about it, aren't we?

So while we all may be able to sit back and say "calm down!" or poke fun at what we may deem to be over-reactions from the Canon base, the reality of the situation is that Nikon has stirred the pot. The d800 cannot be ignored; it has completely changed the dSLR landscape, and the frustration we're seeing from Canon users is because this innovation did not come from Canon first.

Canon is now in the position of responding/reacting, instead of leading the development. You can't blame the Canon fans for being frustrated with being put in that position. We'd all prefer leading to following. And as much as we may hate to say/admit it, Nikon appears to be leading in the fast pitched game of sensor-tech... at least for now.

Canon will respond accordingly - and I trust that they will with an appropriate body when the time comes. All we can do is wait and see (or bitch and whine in forums in the meantime). :)
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So my much of these kind of posts really make me imagine it is sports teams and fans being discussed.
 
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#30
David KM said:
I was begining to think Cameras were only for bitching and moaning, come to find out they are actually used for taking photographs. I have never wanted to post over the last year but I have to admit I actually started to post in the past month due to the madness. With the influx of "I'm jumping to Nikon..." now I have to lurk on eBay for all those jumper's "L" lenses flooding the market ;o)

Would anyone like some cheese with all this whine?
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Okay so we'll just whine at the whiners from our high horses now shall we?

Okay so when shall we start whining at the whined winers? Oh... I just did... Now someone needs to start whining about the person who started whining about the person who started whiny about the people who were whining about canon... The after that someone needs to... Ah screw it the keyboard is too small and copying and pasting is too hard on the iPhone to carry this on... :-)
 
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#32
Rob Wiebe said:
:D If you don't get drawn in there can be some entertainment here. For the record, I ordered the 5D3 and the 1D-X, expecting the 5D3 on Thursday, and the 1D-X the first week of May, according to my local Photo Source store who place the orders. I'm taking pictures, not arguing ... ;)
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If you manage your time properly, you can do both! ;D
 
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#36
smirkypants said:
Normal? You mean we have to go out and take pictures? Oh sh*t.
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Or you can take pictures and have a normal life and just talk crap here using your iPhone while sat down on the seat with the big hole in... haven't you heard of multitasking?

And no that's not where I'm typing this from... I'm cooking the kids their pasta... Multi tasking again see... :-)
 
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#37
Right…. about option 5 (In december 2012 when the world finally ends)

There have been about 514 leap years since Canon (Caesar) created them in 45BC. without the extra day every 4 years, so e.g. on the 5th of march 2010 would actually have been July 28th 2013… so Nikon (Mayan) calendar did not account for the leap year. so technically the world has already ended. Which definitively proves that that the 5Dx is the best Camera to never be produced…… ever……. RIGHT
:P
 
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#38
justsomedude said:
A few observations:
  • Canon went for lower MP, thinking the chatter from users leaned towards lower MP - but improved quality
  • Nikon has demonstrated that higher MP doesn't necessarily mean a sacrifice in quality
  • Canon took a gamble that Nikon could not produce a mind-blowing high MP body. They took that gamble and, in the short term at least - lost
  • Nikon is likely under-pricing their d800 as a loss-leader to get Canon people talking, and possibly jumping ship. And so far... it's genius marketing, because - well - it's working. We're all talking about it, aren't we?
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+1 for your observations - but what is your definition of "under-pricing"?

Does it mean Nikon does not take as much money as they can possibly get away with like Canon? If so, I wouldn't call it under-pricing, but clever-pricing, because if the price tag is still somehow reachable for Joe Sixpack, people will still invest in dslr gear and not simply abandon it for mirror-less systems that are rumored to be able to take pictures, too...
 
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#39
Okay so we'll just whine at the whiners from our high horses now shall we?

Okay so when shall we start whining at the whined winers? Oh... I just did... Now someone needs to start whining about the person who started whining about the person who started whiny about the people who were whining about canon... The after that someone needs to... Ah screw it the keyboard is too small and copying and pasting is too hard on the iPhone to carry this on... :-)
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Is that the new mkIII horse because I hear it's not nearly as high as new Nikon horses. Your horse has an iPhone ?!?!?! ...I'm selling my saddle and jumping ship :-)
 
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#40
David KM said:
Okay so we'll just whine at the whiners from our high horses now shall we?

Okay so when shall we start whining at the whined winers? Oh... I just did... Now someone needs to start whining about the person who started whining about the person who started whiny about the people who were whining about canon... The after that someone needs to... Ah screw it the keyboard is too small and copying and pasting is too hard on the iPhone to carry this on... :-)
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Is that a mkIII horse because I hear it's not nearly as high as new Nikon horses.
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Yeah but apparently Canons new horse is meant to able to see clearer in low light than Nikons new horse...
 
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