Tamron 150-600 Shootout via LensRentals.com

Canon Rumors said:
Roger and Aaron ... have completed their resolution testing of a host of supertelephoto zoom lenses.
The Sigma 50-500 OS and Canon 100-400 were the two big competitors to the new Tamron 150-600 VC
Well... really impressing performance of the Tamron 150-600 VC.

As mentioned by others, of course as long as we have no impressions of AF and VC and the quality variation this is only half of the story.
But I hope that this is enough pressure to Canon to release some new tele lenses, hopefully soon.

Having a 100-400L already, for me this is not so exiting, as I would not improve in IQ.
But for others not having that reach...
I personally would still prefer the Canon, as it is lighter and smaller.
And thinking about the price of polarization and protection filter with 95 mm...
 
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Rienzphotoz said:
Albi86 said:
Rienzphotoz said:
Albi86 said:
Lee Jay said:
Albi86 said:
Lee Jay said:
Helpful, but the two things I really wanted to know weren't answered: How effective the VC is while panning, and how much it improves at 600mm when you stop down to f/7.1 and f/8.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fqicai.fengniao.com%2F425%2F4259287_all.html

Whatever that is, it triggered AVG for a web-based exploit.

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What does the chart represent? sharpness?

If I understand it correctly, it's your typical Imatest result like on Photozone. The ordinate is LW/PH.

I can't tell if it's center and edges, or center and corners, or center and average. But they go on pretty close, so it doesn't really matter. It's just good :)

I think they used a 5D MK III. As an approximation based on other available imatest data, 600mm f/8 is very, very close to the 100-400 L at 400mm f/5.6. Only very slightly worse, if you consider the error margin.
I see ... thanks
Hi,
The dark blue is horizontal resolution and the light blue is vertical resolution base on the test chart (red box scale area).

Have a nice day.
 
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weixing said:
Rienzphotoz said:
Albi86 said:
Rienzphotoz said:
Albi86 said:
Lee Jay said:
Albi86 said:
Lee Jay said:
Helpful, but the two things I really wanted to know weren't answered: How effective the VC is while panning, and how much it improves at 600mm when you stop down to f/7.1 and f/8.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fqicai.fengniao.com%2F425%2F4259287_all.html

Whatever that is, it triggered AVG for a web-based exploit.

cecqljBpdkDI.jpg
What does the chart represent? sharpness?
Hi Weixing ... good to know, thank you.


If I understand it correctly, it's your typical Imatest result like on Photozone. The ordinate is LW/PH.

I can't tell if it's center and edges, or center and corners, or center and average. But they go on pretty close, so it doesn't really matter. It's just good :)

I think they used a 5D MK III. As an approximation based on other available imatest data, 600mm f/8 is very, very close to the 100-400 L at 400mm f/5.6. Only very slightly worse, if you consider the error margin.
I see ... thanks
Hi,
The dark blue is horizontal resolution and the light blue is vertical resolution base on the test chart (red box scale area).

Have a nice day.
 
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Welcome to CR ... now that is one heck of a loooong first post I've ever read on CR ... now could you please elaborate (oh God, no!), I did not mean elaborate, I meant, could you please summarize, what exactly it is that you want to tell us, coz I kinda lost you after the "crapp!ing ceramics" part ;D


Thanks, & sorry for the ramble. The gist:
The 150-600 lens appears to be a better lens for most people in the market for a low-end super-telephoto.
AND
This signifies a moment in the camera market where it makes sense for Canon to act strategically differently than it has acted over the past 10 years. Those strategy adaptations will lead to more power in the low end, lower prices and some pain-in-the-rear Canon policies (weird pricing and/or availability issues between countries) that would otherwise seem nonsensical.

One additional thought & reason why I think this 150-600 lens signifies greater change:
Sigma and Tamron have plainly decided that the money is in the upscale market. That decision was probably made 3 years ago to produce the new lenses we're seeing coming out now. That means that there could be enormous additional disruption coming out by lens designers who have been beavering away since the Black Eyed Peas were on the charts.

Great time to start an interest in photography.
 
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Albi86 said:
If I understand it correctly, it's your typical Imatest result like on Photozone. The ordinate is LW/PH.

I can't tell if it's center and edges, or center and corners, or center and average. But they go on pretty close, so it doesn't really matter. It's just good :)

I think they used a 5D MK III. As an approximation based on other available imatest data, 600mm f/8 is very, very close to the 100-400 L at 400mm f/5.6. Only very slightly worse, if you consider the error margin.

Here's my problem with that chart. Unless I'm doing the math wrong or not understanding what this chart means (certainly possible since it's in Chinese), the f/32 numbers are beating the diffraction limit, calling the entire thing into question.

From what I've seen of visual tests, it loses more contrast than detail at 600mm and f/6.3, and gains it back in huge steps from f/7.1 to f/8. That's probably okay for me as I would use this as a daylight airshow lens, and switch to my 70-200/2.8L IS II (with and without TCs) if the light got lower.
 
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Albi86 said:
Maximilian said:
Having a 100-400L already, for me this is not so exiting, as I would not improve in IQ.
But for others not having that reach...

Well, you don't have it either, unless your specific copy of the 100-400 L goes up to 600mm :)
If you think, that I have to be that precise, then okay:
Having a 100-400L and a 1.4 TC already...
... I am happy to also having some extra f-stop down to 4.5 at the short and 5.6 at the long end.
Or almost compareable values at 560 mm with f8 (including TC)
;D ;D ;D
 
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The single biggest thing that I am anxious to see from Roger is what I simply cannot test: sample variation/consistency. That's a big deal, considering it is clear that there is a pretty broad sample variation with the 100-400L.

If you could consistently get as good or better results that the 100-400L at a lower price with better stabilization and reach, that's a big deal.
 
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Rienzphotoz said:
Welcome to CR ... now that is one heck of a loooong first post I've ever read on CR ... now could you please elaborate (oh God, no!), I did not mean elaborate, I meant, could you please summarize, what exactly it is that you want to tell us, coz I kinda lost you after the "crapp!ing ceramics" part ;D
Thanks, & sorry for the ramble. The gist:
The 150-600 lens appears to be a better lens for most people in the market for a low-end super-telephoto.
AND
This signifies a moment in the camera market where it makes sense for Canon to act strategically differently than it has acted over the past 10 years. Those strategy adaptations will lead to more power in the low end, lower prices and some pain-in-the-rear Canon policies (weird pricing and/or availability issues between countries) that would otherwise seem nonsensical.

One additional thought & reason why I think this 150-600 lens signifies greater change:
Sigma and Tamron have plainly decided that the money is in the upscale market. That decision was probably made 3 years ago to produce the new lenses we're seeing coming out now. That means that there could be enormous additional disruption coming out by lens designers who have been beavering away since the Black Eyed Peas were on the charts.

Great time to start an interest in photography.
OK, that makes sense ... I hope Canon/Nikon lower their lens prices, but I doubt that very much. I use (and have used) lenses from the 3 big third party manufactures (Sigma, Tamron & Tokina ... also use a Rokinon/Samyang 24 T/S lens), but I personally feel that their earlier quality control issues and Canon/Nikon tactics of "camera firmware upgrades" (that mysteriously "change" the way the 3rd party lenses AF) may continue to haunt them for some more years to come ... I see its changing, albeit slowly, but meanwhile Canon/Nikon will continue to charge higher prices as long as possible.
 
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TWI by Dustin Abbott said:
The single biggest thing that I am anxious to see from Roger is what I simply cannot test: sample variation/consistency. That's a big deal, considering it is clear that there is a pretty broad sample variation with the 100-400L.

If you could consistently get as good or better results that the 100-400L at a lower price with better stabilization and reach, that's a big deal.

So far the 3 samples that Roger has are all centered well with very little sample variation according to his report. Looks like a good start for QC.
 
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hoodlum said:
TWI by Dustin Abbott said:
The single biggest thing that I am anxious to see from Roger is what I simply cannot test: sample variation/consistency. That's a big deal, considering it is clear that there is a pretty broad sample variation with the 100-400L.

If you could consistently get as good or better results that the 100-400L at a lower price with better stabilization and reach, that's a big deal.

So far the 3 samples that Roger has are all centered will very little sample variation according to his report. Looks like a good start for QC.

That's encouraging. A lot of people will be looking at that.
 
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Lee Jay said:
Here's my problem with that chart. Unless I'm doing the math wrong or not understanding what this chart means (certainly possible since it's in Chinese), the f/32 numbers are beating the diffraction limit, calling the entire thing into question.

+1
 
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CarlMillerPhoto said:
Ya if you have the 120-300 2.8 that makes things tricky. I think that lens (+ext) vs. this Tamron is the big question for those looking to get into the super-tele range on a budget.

Exactly my situation. I have your typical recommended lenses around this range (Sigma 120-300, 100-400, etc.) but what peaks my interest here is the performance at 600mm f/8 as I'm very realistic in not expecting a $1000 or even $1500 lens to do well 600mm wide open. Similar story with me too with the Sigma combo; it's "ok" but I hesitate to use it with the 2x a lot. So far it looks like the Tamron gives it a good fight, at a much cheaper to price boot and much lighter too!
Don't get me wrong my Sigma is probably not going anywhere regardless as it's a sharp 420mm f/4.5~5 (preferred aperture) with 1.4x TC. And that makes it hard because that means adding another telezoom to the collection lol. And in practice would only ever carry one on an outing.
 
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Albi86 said:
weixing said:
Hi,
The dark blue is horizontal resolution and the light blue is vertical resolution base on the test chart (red box scale area).

Have a nice day.

Thanks for solving the mystery! ;D

Could you also clarify if it's center resolution or an average or...?

Hmm...well, the text accompanying the 400mm chart explicitly states "center", whereas the 600mm chart does not say so. I'd ASSUME it's also at center. Maybe a thorough reading would give us more info. (But I am at work...)
 
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mrsfotografie said:
A review that has such low quality shots comparing the products is not very confidence inspiring in the diligence of the testers/reviewers, so I'm disregarding this review.

yeah well as if anyone cares.

the photographic world knows roger... but who knows you beside your mom? ;)
 
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Lichtgestalt said:
mrsfotografie said:
A review that has such low quality shots comparing the products is not very confidence inspiring in the diligence of the testers/reviewers, so I'm disregarding this review.

yeah well as if anyone cares.

the photographic world knows roger... but who knows you beside your mom? ;)

Please forgive me for trolling just this once ;) But given the kind of product images we're used to from sites like The-Digital-Picture.com, I think I'm a little spoiled perhaps ;D
 
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