Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

[Canon Rumors]

<p>We’re likely a few hours away from the official announcement from Tamron, but images of the upcoming SP 85 mm F / 1.8 Di VC USD and SP 90 mm ​​F / 2.8 Di MACRO 1: 1 VC USD (Model F017)  have leaked</p>
<p>SP 90 mm ​​F / 2.8 Di MACRO 1: 1 VC USD (Model F017)</p>
<ul>
<li>Release date is February 25, 2016</li>
<li>Manufacturer’s suggested retail price of 97,200 yen (tax included)</li>
</ul>
<p>SP 85 mm F / 1.8 Di VC USD (Model F016)</p>
<ul>
<li>Release Date: March 23, 2016</li>
<li>Manufacturer’s suggested retail price 118,800 yen (tax included)</li>
</ul>
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[jebrady03]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

That's $1055 for the 85mm... I'm guessing it'll come in cheaper than that. Well... Hoping...

 

[AvTvM]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

LOL. I'll never ever spend that amount on an F/1.8 lens.

 

[hiepphotog]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

LOL. I'll never ever spend that amount on an F/1.8 lens.

I would if it's a 135 or longer

 

[conformist_rebel]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

Tamron already has a strong 90mm f/2.8 vc macro lens. I don't see why they chose to redesign that lens...

 

[slclick]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

LOL. I'll never ever spend that amount on an F/1.8 lens.

I would if it's a 135 or longer

So many options for a reply to that. Good one. (I know, it was supposed to be filled with inferred meaning...)

 

[mpphoto]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

If the pricing really is around US$1,000 for the 85mm, that is a big ask. VC alone isn't enough to justify the ~$600 premium over Canon's EF 85mm 1.8. Image quality will have to be better than the Canon, and the autofocus better be as quick and accurate. Better AF is doubtful, because the EF 85mm f/1.8 is often cited as one of Canon's best lenses for AF.

Tamron's pricing for the 45mm VC was OK because it didn't seem out of line. It's more than the EF 50mm f/1.4 USM, but less than the Sigma 50mm f/1.4 Art or the EF 50mm f/1.2L.

Looking at 85mm pricing, the only lenses more expensive than this rumored Tamron are the 85mm f/1.2L and the Zeiss lenses. Once you get close to $1,000, people are more hesitant to break open the wallet. At least I am.

 

[IglooEater]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

If the pricing really is around US$1,000 for the 85mm, that is a big ask. VC alone isn't enough to justify the ~$600 premium over Canon's EF 85mm 1.8. Image quality will have to be better than the Canon, and the autofocus better be as quick and accurate. Better AF is doubtful, because the EF 85mm f/1.8 is often cited as one of Canon's best lenses for AF.

Tamron's pricing for the 45mm VC was OK because it didn't seem out of line. It's more than the EF 50mm f/1.4 USM, but less than the Sigma 50mm f/1.4 Art or the EF 50mm f/1.2L.

Looking at 85mm pricing, the only lenses more expensive than this rumored Tamron are the 85mm f/1.2L and the Zeiss lenses. Once you get close to $1,000, people are more hesitant to break open the wallet. At least I am.

+1 that. At 1000$ (close to 1400 CAD) even if it had spectacular performance I'd be hard pressed to justify the difference compared to the canon 85mm 1.8 which can easily be found used at 350$. Heck, I can get an 85mm 1.2 used for less once the taxes are figured in.

 

[Chaitanya]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

Tamron already has a strong 90mm f/2.8 vc macro lens. I don't see why they chose to redesign that lens...

probably for following reasons
1: To have uniformity in lens lineup.
2: To keep Bom down by using same materials as other lenses.

Its only a facelift and I suspect the "new" lens will cost exactly the same as old one.

Although Tamron could have updated their 180mm and 60mm f2 macro instead of 90 mm which was introduced just a few years back.

 

[Luds34]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

If the pricing really is around US$1,000 for the 85mm, that is a big ask. VC alone isn't enough to justify the ~$600 premium over Canon's EF 85mm 1.8. Image quality will have to be better than the Canon, and the autofocus better be as quick and accurate. Better AF is doubtful, because the EF 85mm f/1.8 is often cited as one of Canon's best lenses for AF.

Tamron's pricing for the 45mm VC was OK because it didn't seem out of line. It's more than the EF 50mm f/1.4 USM, but less than the Sigma 50mm f/1.4 Art or the EF 50mm f/1.2L.

Looking at 85mm pricing, the only lenses more expensive than this rumored Tamron are the 85mm f/1.2L and the Zeiss lenses. Once you get close to $1,000, people are more hesitant to break open the wallet. At least I am.

+1 that. At 1000$ (close to 1400 CAD) even if it had spectacular performance I'd be hard pressed to justify the difference compared to the canon 85mm 1.8 which can easily be found used at 350$. Heck, I cam vegan 85mm 1.2 used for less once the taxes are figured in.

+2

The Canon 85 f/1.8 is arguably a bit of a steal. One of my favorites is the comparison to Fuji, and how the Fuji X 56 f/1.2 on their crop gives the same FOV and DOF as the Canon... but at 3 times the price!

Yeah, the old school Canon 85 could be a bit better with CA, a bit more micro constrasty, etc. but it is a very solid lens and can produce awesome images. As others have said, you need a heck of a lens to justify the upgrade price. Oh, and is the focus speed second to none?

 

[TeT]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

Here's hoping it truly gives Sigma and Canon something to shoot at optically with their upcoming 85's. I believe it will handily outdo the canon 85 1.8 ... that might not matter though as the Canon 1.8 is a great lens and a strong favorite for many. (oh and price)

The 90 refresh would be great if it bested the Canon 100 L, based on the tammy 35 1.8 & the tammy 45 1.8; it will come close.

 

[StudentOfLight]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

I would not simply jump to the conclusion that $900-1000 is ridiculous for this new Tamron 85/1.8 VC.

The patent shows the same optical design (http://egami.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2015-05-27) as used in the $1,200 Zeiss Batis 85/1.8. I think it is safe to assume the optics will perform quite well wide open.

Based on the 85 Batis MTF charts (http://www.zeiss.co.za/content/dam/Photography/new/pdf/en/downloadcenter/datasheets_batis/batis_1885.pdf) and Lensrentals measurements, the lens which I think this new Tamron will most closely match (in resolving) is the $900 Canon EF 100/2.8L IS USM Macro.

For reference, here is Canon EF 100/2.8 L IS USM Macro vs Canon 85/1.8:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/MTF.aspx?Lens=674&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=106&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0&CT=AVG

I'm eagerly awaiting tests and reviews but at the moment I'm quite optimistic.

 

[StudentOfLight]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

If the pricing really is around US$1,000 for the 85mm, that is a big ask. VC alone isn't enough to justify the ~$600 premium over Canon's EF 85mm 1.8. Image quality will have to be better than the Canon, and the autofocus better be as quick and accurate. Better AF is doubtful, because the EF 85mm f/1.8 is often cited as one of Canon's best lenses for AF.

Tamron's pricing for the 45mm VC was OK because it didn't seem out of line. It's more than the EF 50mm f/1.4 USM, but less than the Sigma 50mm f/1.4 Art or the EF 50mm f/1.2L.

Looking at 85mm pricing, the only lenses more expensive than this rumored Tamron are the 85mm f/1.2L and the Zeiss lenses. Once you get close to $1,000, people are more hesitant to break open the wallet. At least I am.

+1 that. At 1000$ (close to 1400 CAD) even if it had spectacular performance I'd be hard pressed to justify the difference compared to the canon 85mm 1.8 which can easily be found used at 350$. Heck, I cam vegan 85mm 1.2 used for less once the taxes are figured in.

+2

The Canon 85 f/1.8 is arguably a bit of a steal. One of my favorites is the comparison to Fuji, and how the Fuji X 56 f/1.2 on their crop gives the same FOV and DOF as the Canon... but at 3 times the price!

Yeah, the old school Canon 85 could be a bit better with CA, a bit more micro constrasty, etc. but it is a very solid lens and can produce awesome images. As others have said, you need a heck of a lens to justify the upgrade price. Oh, and is the focus speed second to none?

When I think:
...a steal, my first thought is 135L
...great value, my first thought is 100mm non-L macro

The Canon 85/1.8 just doesn't inspire the same kind of feelings. YMMV

 

[Maximilian]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

That's $1055 for the 85mm... I'm guessing it'll come in cheaper than that. Well... Hoping...

WOW! That's a lot of money.
Thanks for calculating, jebrady03.

I suggest, you did your math on the exchange rate right, but even with the normal Tamron discounts I'd be out of business for this price, even if Canon would never produce a successor to the EF 85/1.8.
And I'd expect a new Canon 85/1.8 successor at a lower MRSP as this as long as it would be without IS or BR element.

 

[Chaitanya]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

Both these lenses have been officially announced:
https://www.ephotozine.com/article/tamron-announce-the--rebirth-of-a-classic--with-a-new-90mm-macro-lens-28907#comment_18567854
https://www.tamron.co.jp/news/release_2016/0222_3.html
and
https://www.ephotozine.com/article/world-s-first-85mm-with-vc-for-full-frame-dslrs-arrives-from-tamron--28906

 

[ExodistPhotography]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

If the pricing really is around US$1,000 for the 85mm, that is a big ask. VC alone isn't enough to justify the ~$600 premium over Canon's EF 85mm 1.8. Image quality will have to be better than the Canon, and the autofocus better be as quick and accurate. Better AF is doubtful, because the EF 85mm f/1.8 is often cited as one of Canon's best lenses for AF.

Tamron's pricing for the 45mm VC was OK because it didn't seem out of line. It's more than the EF 50mm f/1.4 USM, but less than the Sigma 50mm f/1.4 Art or the EF 50mm f/1.2L.

Looking at 85mm pricing, the only lenses more expensive than this rumored Tamron are the 85mm f/1.2L and the Zeiss lenses. Once you get close to $1,000, people are more hesitant to break open the wallet. At least I am.

+1 that. At 1000$ (close to 1400 CAD) even if it had spectacular performance I'd be hard pressed to justify the difference compared to the canon 85mm 1.8 which can easily be found used at 350$. Heck, I cam vegan 85mm 1.2 used for less once the taxes are figured in.

+2

The Canon 85 f/1.8 is arguably a bit of a steal. One of my favorites is the comparison to Fuji, and how the Fuji X 56 f/1.2 on their crop gives the same FOV and DOF as the Canon... but at 3 times the price!

Yeah, the old school Canon 85 could be a bit better with CA, a bit more micro constrasty, etc. but it is a very solid lens and can produce awesome images. As others have said, you need a heck of a lens to justify the upgrade price. Oh, and is the focus speed second to none?

+3 to that.. I have the 85mm f/1.8 also. Its a great lens and excellent value for they money. That said it is starting to show its age a little. IMHO it just needs some new multi coating for chroma. A side from that the optical configuration is solid. So for Tamron to ask $1000 bucks for new 85mm, VC or not. The sharpness on this lens will have to be deadly sharp and have amazing bokeh to boot. Knowing Tamrons track record( from experience), I dont see this happening.. :-/

 

[Hjalmarg1]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

That's $1055 for the 85mm... I'm guessing it'll come in cheaper than that. Well... Hoping...

The tammy will easily outdo the canon 85mm 1.8 but it will never justify US$1,000. Sigma, please come up..

 

[nhz]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

I would not simply jump to the conclusion that $900-1000 is ridiculous for this new Tamron 85/1.8 VC.

The patent shows the same optical design (http://egami.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2015-05-27) as used in the $1,200 Zeiss Batis 85/1.8. I think it is safe to assume the optics will perform quite well wide open.
...

What if Tamron did design and build the Zeiss Batis 85/1.8 and used the same basis for their 85/1.8 VC?

The only significant difference would be the casing and label.

Or in other words, Tamron are manufacturing the Zeiss Batis 85/1.8 under license from Zeiss? As a lens that is being targeted at a much wider audience than the higher priced Zeiss lenses, Zeiss would need to be getting that extra manufacturing capacity from somewhere else...

Yes, interesting suggestion, the Batis 85 has long been rumored to be a Tamron design. Of course the Zeiss version might have higher quality control / less sample variation issues. However, I'm a bit puzzled by the huge difference in weight between the two (DPR says 700 gram for the Tamron 85VC, and 475gram for the Batis 85; maybe DPR spec for the Tamron is wrong?).

Still, it better be good because not only is there a much cheaper and reliable Canon 1.8/85, Nikon also has a recent and excellent 1.8/85G lens that isn't much more expensive than the Canon one (plus the 85VC is in the price range of non-VC 1.4/85 lenses).

 

[StudentOfLight]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

I would not simply jump to the conclusion that $900-1000 is ridiculous for this new Tamron 85/1.8 VC.

The patent shows the same optical design (http://egami.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2015-05-27) as used in the $1,200 Zeiss Batis 85/1.8. I think it is safe to assume the optics will perform quite well wide open.
...

What if Tamron did design and build the Zeiss Batis 85/1.8 and used the same basis for their 85/1.8 VC?

The only significant difference would be the casing and label.

Or in other words, Tamron are manufacturing the Zeiss Batis 85/1.8 under license from Zeiss? As a lens that is being targeted at a much wider audience than the higher priced Zeiss lenses, Zeiss would need to be getting that extra manufacturing capacity from somewhere else...

Yes, interesting suggestion, the Batis 85 has long been rumored to be a Tamron design. Of course the Zeiss version might have higher quality control / less sample variation issues. However, I'm a bit puzzled by the huge difference in weight between the two (DPR says 700 gram for the Tamron 85VC, and 475gram for the Batis 85; maybe DPR spec for the Tamron is wrong?).

Still, it better be good because not only is there a much cheaper and reliable Canon 1.8/85, Nikon also has a recent and excellent 1.8/85G lens that isn't much more expensive than the Canon one (plus the 85VC is in the price range of non-VC 1.4/85 lenses).

The Batis is focus-by-wire but the Tamron will have direct manual focus operation so I think that will account for some differences in weight.

The other difference I see is that the Tamron is slightly wider diameter and does not taper at the back end like the Batis. I assume this is because the Batis needs space to accommodate the photographer's right hand on more compact mirrorless bodies where the space between hand grip and lens barrel is more constrained.

I believe the quoted Batis' 475g weight is excluding lens hood and lens caps.

 

[Refurb7]

Re: Tamron 85 f/1.8 VC & 90 f/2.8 Macro Images Leak

I would not simply jump to the conclusion that $900-1000 is ridiculous for this new Tamron 85/1.8 VC.

The patent shows the same optical design (http://egami.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2015-05-27) as used in the $1,200 Zeiss Batis 85/1.8. I think it is safe to assume the optics will perform quite well wide open.
...

What if Tamron did design and build the Zeiss Batis 85/1.8 and used the same basis for their 85/1.8 VC?

The only significant difference would be the casing and label.

Or in other words, Tamron are manufacturing the Zeiss Batis 85/1.8 under license from Zeiss? As a lens that is being targeted at a much wider audience than the higher priced Zeiss lenses, Zeiss would need to be getting that extra manufacturing capacity from somewhere else...

Yes, interesting suggestion, the Batis 85 has long been rumored to be a Tamron design. Of course the Zeiss version might have higher quality control / less sample variation issues. However, I'm a bit puzzled by the huge difference in weight between the two (DPR says 700 gram for the Tamron 85VC, and 475gram for the Batis 85; maybe DPR spec for the Tamron is wrong?).

Still, it better be good because not only is there a much cheaper and reliable Canon 1.8/85, Nikon also has a recent and excellent 1.8/85G lens that isn't much more expensive than the Canon one (plus the 85VC is in the price range of non-VC 1.4/85 lenses).

Compare the optical diagram of the new Tamron 85 announced today:
http://www.tamron-usa.com/F016special/index.html

with the optical diagram of the Zeiss 85 Batis:
http://www.zeiss.com/content/dam/Photography/new/pdf/en/downloadcenter/datasheets_batis/batis_1885.pdf

and with the optical diagram of this Tamron 85/1.8 patent which is identical to Zeiss 85/1.8 Batis:
http://egami.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2015-05-27

So, it appears that the Batis is a Tamron design -- they have the patent -- but they are not using that design in the new Tamron 85 lens. This would explain why the Sony mount version of the Tamron 85 is A-mount, not E-mount. If it were the same as the Batis, it would be E-mount.

The Batis 85 sits much closer to the sensor, so it would make no sense to use the same optical design for DSLRs.