The 5D Mark III Fix
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Tracy Pinto
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Check out the lensrental.com dissection of a Nikon D7000 and see how this camera is routinely manufactured using tape. Yes tape just like that tape people are still howling about here.
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/04/d7000-dissection
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/04/d7000-dissection
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PhilDrinkwater said:yeah, so do you think they also whine on the internet about it?
My friend hasn't whined about anything. He only got it two days ago.
Not sure why you quoted me about this - I was just replying to the previous post
thank you, i am just pointing out that nikon also has problems but you don't really see them whine online as much as canon users... canon users on the other hand... is making a big deal out of this light leak situation (sorry, i can't say it's an issue)
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rhommel said:PhilDrinkwater said:yeah, so do you think they also whine on the internet about it?
My friend hasn't whined about anything. He only got it two days ago.
Not sure why you quoted me about this - I was just replying to the previous post
thank you, i am just pointing out that nikon also has problems but you don't really see them whine online as much as canon users... canon users on the other hand... is making a big deal out of this light leak situation (sorry, i can't say it's an issue)
There are probably trolls also. When you're at the top someone always wants to take you down.
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rhommel said:
Now that's a serious problem. Unlike a silly light leak, a blurry viewfinder affects every single shot you take, and renders a camera useless unless you use live view for every shot. I'm sure Nikon will get all these issues with the D800 sorted out eventually, but perhaps it's $500 cheaper than the 5DIII due to inferior quality control? I don't think low ISO DR is all that important if you can't take an sharp image due to a blurry viewfinder.
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Despite any quality control issues with the D800, it still poses a MASSIVE problem for Canon. Even if Canon could produce a profitable sensor with DR, resolution and ISO performance comparable to the D800 (and that seems a big if), how could they sell it at a competitive price without blitzing the sales of the already-more-expensive 5D mk III? I've been a lifelong Canon fan, and would still buy a 5D mk III, but for customers with little or no prior brand loyalty...
Canon's marketing AND tech departments must be sweating bullets, unless something big is on the way. This reminds me of the ever-raging war between video card manufacturers AMD and Nvidia. Sometimes when one company starts lagging behind, it's a sign that they're working on something really revolutionary.
Canon's marketing AND tech departments must be sweating bullets, unless something big is on the way. This reminds me of the ever-raging war between video card manufacturers AMD and Nvidia. Sometimes when one company starts lagging behind, it's a sign that they're working on something really revolutionary.
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As good as the D800 is, it doesn't help Nikon if they can't get them into people's hands. Now, Nikon always had a more problematic supply issue compared to Canon and the latest crop of problems are probably not helping much.
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DavidRiesenberg said:
Agreed. But If Canon doesn't step up their game on DR and ISO, I might actually do the unthinkable and buy a Nikon at some point in the future. I shoot landscape and DR is the single most important thing to me even though I prefer the feel, ergonomics and just plain "Canonosity" of Canon cameras. I wonder if Canon has considered buying Sony sensor tech and if Sony would/could even sell it to them given their relation with Nikon.
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plutonium10 said:
Lol. Really?!? So, you've seen the sales figures? By what margin is the D800 outselling the 5DIII? Please...share all of your hard evidence.
In fact, I have yet to see anything even remotely convincing that anyone outside of the few but very vocal minority of DR-obsessed posters on forums like this even give a crap about this 'massive problem'. As I've pointed out elsewhere, from 2007 to 2010, Nikon soundly beat Canon for sensor DR and ISO performance, and during the same period, Canon gained market share while Nikon lost over 10% of the market. So...it seems like Nikon has the 'massive problem' - and the fact that the D800 has 36 MP, with no meaningful boost in DR over the predecessor, and a reduction in high ISO performance, is a good indication that Nikon realized they were coming out the losers, and are now trying Canon's 'more MP are better' approach.
Regardless, you're assertions are clearly unfounded, and I suspect at this time next year, the sales figures will show that Canon is still #1 in dSLR sales, as they have been for the past several years (despite their 'massive' yet somehow nonexistent 'problem'). It's ok, though - most likely by then you and the rest of the minority will have tired of bashing the 5DIII's DR on Internet forums. I sincerely hope you'll be out taking pictures with some camera - even if it's not the 5DIII that most of this DR-bashing minority never had any intention of buying. But realistically, I bet you'll still be here, bashing the DR or ISO noise or some other perceived 'problem' with the 1D X, T4i/650D, or whatever. Whine on........
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neuroanatomist said:
Ok, look. The 5D III is a great camera, as was the MK II. It has been selling like hotcakes while Nikon has trouble getting the D800 out the door. That is true and I will freely admit that. But I can't help feeling that Nikon is really pushing the performance with this new Sony sensor tech and that this could cause Canon a lot of headaches.
I'm not so much trying to bash the MK III but rather playing devil's advocate as a somewhat concerned Canon fan.
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plutonium10 said:
I don't think for a second that Canon do not have the capability of producing a sensor that does everything the Sony sensor can do or better.
The decision to spec the 5DIII the way it is was a pure marketing decision. And not a surprising one based on their position as market leaders in the segment. Could this decision backfire on them? Sure, but that only time will tell.
Now, on the same token, the decision to spec the D800 the way it is, is also a marketing decision. And that cannot be stressed enough. Nikon has no extra place in their hearts for photography and engineering anymore than Canon has. The decision to come out with a very big, headline grabbing product at a reasonable price is simply what they had to do in order to try to sway some Canon sales their way.
So basically each of them made the logical decision based on their market position. Who will come on top is yet to be determined, but personally I do hope it is Nikon. This way I win twice. Once because I am very happy with the 5D3 and twice when that means the 5D4 will be much better than otherwise.
Oh and another thing about Sony that hasn't been discussed enough IMO, is that financially they are in the shitter. I do wonder if and how this will affect the future of their business model. I don't have any data but they have been pushing very hard in the camera market at what I think is a substantial hit to their profitability . How long they can keep on doing it is a big question mark.
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plutonium10 said:
Agree with the first half but honestly, I don't think it's going to cause Canon alot of headaches. Both cameras are great, one leans towards group A, the other B. It's been back and forth for a while now, this won't be any different. Canon will counter, then Nikon.
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plutonium10 said:
Back to the same old rubbish of DR and ISO knocking. Give it a rest - it seems to be in every thread - what percentage can actually say they regularly take pictures with a DR of 10 or more. I struggle with the 1DS3 to get to 10 so how many actually hit 14 (if the D800 can in real life do that)
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Am I not correct in thinking that the 1Ds3 has better DR than the 5D III? In any case I stand corrected, but still a little perplexed. On paper, my 7D (despite it's not-impressive ISO performance) has the same DR as the mk III (or so says DxO). In practice is this not the case?
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neuroanatomist said:
Once the D800 does reach widespread availability, how will the sales figures look compared to the mk III? Hard to say, I guess. But that's not exactly to the point because I'm looking at this more from a technology point of view than a sales point of view. THAT's where I see the problem.
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http://nikonrumors.com/2012/04/19/dxomark-verdict-nikon-d800-95-canon-5d-mark-iii-81.aspx/
This is the article that got me worried BTW.
This is the article that got me worried BTW.
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