Considering how the 5DmkIII is more of an evolutionary step does anybody think the next 7D will be more of the same or will it be the next "giant leap" for APS-C kind?
The 7DmkII will it be a revolution or an evolution
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Evolution for sure.
One thing you have to understand about japanese firms is that they are incredibly conservative and reactionary. Every time a CEO who is not Japanese takes over a Japanese firm they comment on this.
The only way that it would be revolutionary is if Nikon crop cameras were destroying them. If that doesn't happen I would only expect minor improvements, but Canon will tell you the opposite (just like they are doing with the 5Diii).
One thing you have to understand about japanese firms is that they are incredibly conservative and reactionary. Every time a CEO who is not Japanese takes over a Japanese firm they comment on this.
The only way that it would be revolutionary is if Nikon crop cameras were destroying them. If that doesn't happen I would only expect minor improvements, but Canon will tell you the opposite (just like they are doing with the 5Diii).
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keithfullermusic said:
I wouldn't call 9pt AF with a single cross-type to 61pt AF with 41 cross-type and 5 double cross-type, a 6fps frame rate, nor native ISO 25600 "minor" improvements...
The difference between the 5D III and the D800 is not that one has a bunch of minor improvements and one has a bunch of HUGE improvements. The simple difference is that the D800 has a neatly packaged "headline" feature...36.3mp. Thats it. The 1D X stole the 5D III's thunder with its ISO 51200, but that doesn't make the 5D III's major improvements "minor". They just aren't "headlines".
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There is not a whole lot to change. Sensor improvements are very hard to come by, so a 1/2 to 3/4 stop improvement would be a best case. The new Digic 5+ might give more fps, assuming they redesigned the mirror. The battery power also limits fps, so it might require a grip to get enough power to get a faster frame per second speed.
There might be some video improvements like the 5D MK III, but do not expect much, considering the $2000 price.
There might be some video improvements like the 5D MK III, but do not expect much, considering the $2000 price.
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briansquibb said:
I don't want to start another one of those threads.
What ever the next high end (pro, semi pro) aps-c camera (7DII) the trend is to up the price.
To justify this, improvements will have to be made.
My guess is that refinements to the sensor and autofocus (also AI Servo) will be made along with dual digic 5+ chips, refinements to weather sealing, and metering (AWB)
When the the 7D came out it was a big deal, a pro body with an APS-C sensor.
Unless there is a breakthough in sensor design my gut says the next "7D" will move forward at about the same rate as the 5DIII did vs 5DII
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jrista said:
I guess I wasn't very clear. I'm not saying that the 5Diii ionic had minor changes, but as a whole it w only a minor update, especially after three years.
Major improvements would have been much higher MP while still having great low light capabilities. It would have also included things like 1080p 60 fps.
So like I said initially, the new 5D is in no way revolutionary. It has had some very nice improvements, but it's been three years, nice improvements are the minimum to be expected.
Either way, it's an awesome camera. There probably isn't much that really needs to be done to it, but the iii was basically just an update and not a revolutionary release.
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I would postulate that it will be an evolution... I honestly don't know how it would be changed to be revolutionary. I believe it is still the best crop camera available (Build quality, FPS, and Resolution). When I think about it, there isn't much that I would specifically change. Faster processor? Better sensor if available? What would make it "revolutionary" to you?
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Does every single new product ever have to be a friggin revolutionary game changer? Does it have to "shake up the industry" and "blow your mind?" Is this really what it's come to? I think a lot of people have unreasonable expectations with technology nowadays. The rumors show up years before the product so there is just too much time for the hype to build. People start speculating what it'll be like and before you know it they get set on what they wish the camera would be and are disappointed by any differences in the actual product.
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I certainly don't think that every update has to be a game changer. I agree that it's unrealistic to expect every release to be one. I think a lot of people were just bummed over the 5Diii, so a lot of questions are being asked. I think it's a great camera, but a lot of people wanted a lot more. I can't really blame them either since it's canons most famous/loved camera and the update was three years in the making.
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Evolution. New sensor, new processors, new screen, CF plus SD, locking mode dial, and a few other teaks. My guess, and it is just that, minor things plus a new sensor will be the next 7D. As long as the sensor has significant improvements (ISO, DR, and noise) that will be more than sufficient.
Oh and yes, a new price.
Oh and yes, a new price.
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briansquibb said:
Grow up. Your constant trolling on every discussion about the 7D is getting more than a bit tiresome. We all know you dislike the 7D. Your entitled to your opinion, but hijacking every discussion ruins it for others.
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keithfullermusic said:
First off, not sure I agree its not revolutionary in some ways...but we'll get to that.
For that matter, why is a revolutionary update necessary? The ONLY thing about the D800 that is revolutionary is the megapixels in the sensor. Its video features are not revolutionary, its AF system is not revolutionary (and not even new...its the same 51pt system the rest of their cameras use), the sensor capabilities (i.e. hardware noise reduction, CP-ADC, etc.) are nothing revolutionary, we've all seen that before in the likes of the D7000 and company... If you want revolutionary, the D800 literally has ONE thing that it could call revolutionary: 36.3mp.
The 5D III makes some revolutionary improvements itself. Everyone seems to forget that the 5D III is one of the top two most sensitive cameras in the world now, with its native ISO 25600...and its got a significantly improved SNR in the sensor to make that ISO setting actually usable. It doesn't quite have the "thunder" that the D800 has because the 1D X literally one-ups it with ISO 51200, but that doesn't change the fact that the 5D III is capable of working with four times less light than its predecessor.
The 5D III and 1D X make a more important revolutionary leap, however...one that I think will have a very significant impact to its customers: Canon LISTENED to their customers input, and built cameras that addressed their customers needs! It wasn't until the actual announcement & release of the D800 that I really heard that many people screaming and hollering for Canon to release a higher resolution camera than the 5D II. Before the announcement of the 1D X last year, about the only thing I heard from most Canon users I know was "Lower Resolution (or no more increases in resolution), Better ISO, Cleaner Noise!", and in the case of the 5D line specifically... "Better AF!!!!!" I think some people were hoping for 26-28mp out of the 5D III, but I don't think anyone who will actually use the camera really has anything to complain about with 22.3mp, since all of their other real-world requests to Canon have been answered. (Now, admittedly, Canon has probably boofed the price at $3500...but thats easily corrected.)
If Canon does the same thing with the 7D, I think most 7D users will be very happy campers. And the one thing 7D users really want, based on the currently existing complaints, is Better ISO, Cleaner Noise! Being a 7D owner myself, that is quite literally my sole complaint. I certainly have other wants, like more AF points and f/8 AF (and perhaps AI Servo AF subject recognition...like "Thats an Elk! I'll track that!" or "Thats a Bird! I'll track that!"), but noise characteristics at higher ISO is really the only actual complaint I have about this camera. Evolutionary improvements (and a reasonable price!) in the 7D II will make me a very happy camper.
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unfocused said:
I dislike the 7D so much I have just bought my third :
: : : You are right though in that I dont consider the 7D to be the greatest in the line up - it is just a good prosumer camera. Had you not thought that others might get very tired of the fanboys extolling the 7D and their outrageous claims about its capabilities
In my opinion the 7D is the logical upgrade of the 40D - more mps and fps with greatly improved low light and af. Plus of course video. To me the 40D was one of those classic cameras that revolutionised prosumer in the same way that the 5D classic did for ff.
It is still my opinion on that basis that the 7D will go back to being an xxD - which has been my (and others on this forum) position thoughout
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My 7d has done me, and is continuing to be extraordinarily well. The only better for me is something like the 1d mark iv which Is currently out of my budget. The 5d things everyone seems to be on about, doesn't get my attention at all!
If a mark ii comes along Im sure if it will be just evolution. Iso may get better, it may get faster and a few more af points with digic 5+ processors (thats obvious). And in which case, I think that would be fantastic.
The one thing I can't see happening is canon dropping such a successful camera. Not a chance in a cold day in hell.
If a mark ii comes along Im sure if it will be just evolution. Iso may get better, it may get faster and a few more af points with digic 5+ processors (thats obvious). And in which case, I think that would be fantastic.
The one thing I can't see happening is canon dropping such a successful camera. Not a chance in a cold day in hell.
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