The Canon EOS 90D is Coming Later in 2018 [CR2]

[Canon Rumors]

While we’ve tried to confirm without any doubt that the EOS 7D Mark III is not coming in 2018, we haven’t done so yet. However, we’re 80% sure that’ll be the case.</p>
<p>The first APS-C DSLR cameras will be three new Rebels next month ahead of CP+. Why are there three Rebels coming? We’re thinking each one must have a specific focus, because that is a lot of Rebels in the series, a series that continues to drop in sales.</p>


<p>We’re told that an EOS 80D replacement is currently marked for the second half of 2018. The EOS 90D will show “further separation from the EOS 77D” .  The 90D will receive an all-new sensor to the lineup once it is announced, so that tells us it won’t share a sensor with the upcoming Rebel’s or EOS M50. The camera will also have a new version of DPAF, but we’re not sure if it will be the first camera in the lineup to receive it. There is no mention of the mythical “4K” capability and we don’t want to guess either way.</p>
<p>Beyond that, we’re too far out to have any real idea of how the camera will be specced out.</p>
<p>The 2018 roadmap isn’t in focus at all yet, and we seem to be receiving an increase in vague and conflicting information. We’re instead waiting for some confirmation from folks we trust and that have a good track record.</p>
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[MrFotoFool]

Later this year (by early summer) I will likely buy an APS-C body to keep on my telephoto so I don't have to keep switching lenses. I love my current 5D4 but will not be able to afford another one as my second body.

I am strongly looking at 80D and if a 90D is out that would be nice. Maybe I will get it or maybe I will still get an 80D but it will be cheaper because of the announcement?

 

[Canoneer]

Any word if he 90D is going to kickoff a new resolution standard? The 24MP DPAF seems to be universally implemented across the APS-C lineup currently. Maybe the 90D will be 37.5MP (7,500 x 5,000)?

 

[Chaitanya]

Any word if he 90D is going to kickoff a new resolution standard? The 24MP DPAF seems to be universally implemented across the APS-C lineup currently. Maybe the 90D will be 37.5MP (7,500 x 5,000)?

That's too much for APS-C format, I won't mind if resolution stays 24MP +/-2MP.

 

[midluk]

The camera will also have a new version of DPAF, but we’re not sure if it will be the first camera in the lineup to receive it.

Perhaps they go one step further to quad pixel AF, which would result in something like cross type AF points.

 

[Sharlin]

Or alternate vertically and horizontally arranged dual pixels. Not sure it would be worth the extra complexity though.

 

[SkynetTX]

Any word if he 90D is going to kickoff a new resolution standard? The 24MP DPAF seems to be universally implemented across the APS-C lineup currently. Maybe the 90D will be 37.5MP (7,500 x 5,000)?

That's too much for APS-C format, I won't mind if resolution stays 24MP +/-2MP.

The largest aperture that is not diffraction limited yet is f/8 for an 18 mp APS-C format camera and f/14 for an FF camera with the same resolution. Though f/11 for APS-C and f/22 for FF can be used without losing too much detail the more MP you have the lower the DLA will be. In my opinion there's no use of having a 24+ MP sensor until it will be able to decrease the diffraction effect somehow.

 

[Loswr]

In my opinion there's no use of having a 24+ MP sensor until it will be able to decrease the diffraction effect somehow.

 

[privatebydesign]

Any word if he 90D is going to kickoff a new resolution standard? The 24MP DPAF seems to be universally implemented across the APS-C lineup currently. Maybe the 90D will be 37.5MP (7,500 x 5,000)?

That's too much for APS-C format, I won't mind if resolution stays 24MP +/-2MP.

The largest aperture that is not diffraction limited yet is f/8 for an 18 mp APS-C format camera and f/14 for an FF camera with the same resolution. Though f/11 for APS-C and f/22 for FF can be used without losing too much detail the more MP you have the lower the DLA will be. In my opinion there's no use of having a 24+ MP sensor until it will be able to decrease the diffraction effect somehow.

Sounds like somebody only did half the diffraction/CoC/DLA course. The multitude of cameras, of all sizes, available with DLA figures much lower than f11/14 is proof of that.

 

[ritholtz]

Or alternate vertically and horizontally arranged dual pixels. Not sure it would be worth the extra complexity though.

xxd series is bellweather for Canon new tech. 70d is the first camera with due pixel tech. 80d is the first camera with DR tech and next level duel pixel tech (servo tracking with live view) which ended up in every crop camera released. 90d is going to come with new Canon stuff. There is going to be next iteration of duel pixel tech to improve live view / mirrorless shooting further, probably 4k and auto MFA to close the gap with mirrorless. Canon is putting lot of effort in pushing both sides of focusing tech (on sensor / pdaf).

 

[AlanF]

The DLA for the 5DSR is ~f/6.6, about the same as for a 20mpx APS-C. Photozone reports that for the 5DSR the MTFs for lenses they have tested tend to be optimal at f/4, showing that diffraction effects come in quite soon after that. A 30 mpx APS-C would have about the same pixel size as a 20 mpx M4/3.

 

[stevelee]

It's not like diffraction suddenly jumps out of the bushes and eats the image quality.

The cautionary tales in articles on diffraction and their formulae can come off as too alarmist. In any photograph one is trading off all sorts of things. One just needs to be aware of the effect and balance it against other factors. At what point does the increased depth of field cease making the picture look sharper because of diffraction effects? As with most things, the answer is, "It depends."

A perhaps extreme example is the test in which I inadvertently demonstrated diffraction effect. I shot the metric side of a yard stick using the 100mm macro lens with my T3i. I was looking at depth of field for different apertures with 1:1 magnification. For many practical purposes, shots a f/32 looked better than the rest just because about 4 cm. of the marks were relatively in focus. For something important I'd probably use focus stacking and a wider aperture. But for a quick shot of something small, f/32 works rather well.

Results with different lenses and hyperfocal or infinity focus would vary, of course. Some day I might get around to some tests on that order for landscapes with FF.

My travel shots account for a lot my landscapes, so I have the short lens and 1" sensor of the G7X II. I happily let it use a wide aperture of its choice most of the time, since diffraction kicks in early, and DOF is not a challenge at 8.8mm.

 

[slclick]

A bit of an aside but where is Canon going with the naming scheme following the 90D?

 

[Canoneer]

A bit of an aside but where is Canon going with the naming scheme following the 90D?

They'll probably switch to Roman numerals. It seems like a proper Canon thing to do.

 

[Hector1970]

I guess they will have a little wriggle room with 91D, 92D
The might also go back to 10M when its mirrorless.
Im not sure how dense they can make the MPs on APS-C.
I’m not sure more is desirable. I’d prefer better quality.
I thought the 7D2 and 5DSR overdid it for the technology of it the time.
I meet very few people nowadays with xxD cameras.
A lot of people I know jump to full frame from xxxD.
Maybe it’s more successful and in other countries.
I personally don’t see the point of the range these days.
But I guess others do.

 

[symmar22]

Any word if he 90D is going to kickoff a new resolution standard? The 24MP DPAF seems to be universally implemented across the APS-C lineup currently. Maybe the 90D will be 37.5MP (7,500 x 5,000)?

That's too much for APS-C format, I won't mind if resolution stays 24MP +/-2MP.

The largest aperture that is not diffraction limited yet is f/8 for an 18 mp APS-C format camera and f/14 for an FF camera with the same resolution. Though f/11 for APS-C and f/22 for FF can be used without losing too much detail the more MP you have the lower the DLA will be. In my opinion there's no use of having a 24+ MP sensor until it will be able to decrease the diffraction effect somehow.

Except in real life it doesn't matter that much. As an architecture and interior photographer, I shoot most of my subject with wide angles, stopped down in the f14-f22 range, on a 5Dsr Yes it is a bit softer at f22, but when I need everything in focus, that's the way to go. None of my clients ever complained.

Diffraction is very overstated by a lot of people. That you want to optimize sharpness for some pictures is OK, but when you need depth of field there is no choice. My experience is that sharpness decreases significantly only after f22 for it to be a real concern. I prefer the extra resolution of a denser sensor than to fear diffraction. Remove the useless low pass filter and you save "1 stop" of diffraction.

 

[crashpc]

If there is the moire visible in the image, than the lens diffraction is not that bad anyway. People also need process the mage in a ways that might take some more resolution away. Like rotating and stuff. For that reason, we need oversampled image, to actually rely only on the lens capabilities and diffraction, not on the sensor shortcomings. Sensor resolution and storage is relatively cheap. Not so with good glass. That way it would be very welcomed to have at least 32Mpx APS-C sensor, if not more, for landscapes and macros and birding...

 

[Quackator]

What if all those new rebels are mirrorless and Canon enters the mirrorless market full swing?

 

[Don Haines]

Any word if he 90D is going to kickoff a new resolution standard? The 24MP DPAF seems to be universally implemented across the APS-C lineup currently. Maybe the 90D will be 37.5MP (7,500 x 5,000)?

That's too much for APS-C format, I won't mind if resolution stays 24MP +/-2MP.

The largest aperture that is not diffraction limited yet is f/8 for an 18 mp APS-C format camera and f/14 for an FF camera with the same resolution. Though f/11 for APS-C and f/22 for FF can be used without losing too much detail the more MP you have the lower the DLA will be. In my opinion there's no use of having a 24+ MP sensor until it will be able to decrease the diffraction effect somehow.

Except in real life it doesn't matter that much. As an architecture and interior photographer, I shoot most of my subject with wide angles, stopped down in the f14-f22 range, on a 5Dsr Yes it is a bit softer at f22, but when I need everything in focus, that's the way to go. None of my clients ever complained.

Diffraction is very overstated by a lot of people. That you want to optimize sharpness for some pictures is OK, but when you need depth of field there is no choice. My experience is that sharpness decreases significantly only after f22 for it to be a real concern. I prefer the extra resolution of a denser sensor than to fear diffraction. Remove the useless low pass filter and you save "1 stop" of diffraction.

+1

 

[James Larsen]

If there isn't any 4k I'd be very disappointed.