The Canon EOS R7 Mark II Isn’t Coming Until 2026

Soz I meant R7 mkii. Apologies!
No reason to apologize. I have to apologize.
I was refering to the R7mk2. And I was reading your post refering to the R7mk2 as well.
But I made a mistake misreading your post "suspecting" the R7m2 to be NO major step forward.
Sometimes it is better to read twice. :confused:
 
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I really hope the release of the R7 MII doesn't follow the same path of the 7D MII, which kept getting pushed out for months, 6-7 I believe. But it felt more like a year with all the talk and hype about the camera. Just like all the talk and hype of the R7 MII and the features it may, or may not, have.

The R7 MII isn't a must camera for me, but the 1.6 crop factor that turns the RF 70-200 into a 112-320 2.8 that is much cheaper than a RF 100-300 f2.8, is very appealing. And for birding/sports the RF 100-500 making it a 160-800 f7.1 is also appealing. It's really a no brainer for me that the R7 MII is a good choice...as long as Canon fixes the issues of the R7 rolling shutter, camera ergonomics, and lack of no grip.
 
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I really hope the release of the R7 MII doesn't follow the same path of the 7D MII, which kept getting pushed out for months, 6-7 I believe. But it felt more like a year with all the talk and hype about the camera. Just like all the talk and hype of the R7 MII and the features it may, or may not, have.

The R7 MII isn't a must camera for me, but the 1.6 crop factor that turns the RF 70-200 into a 112-320 2.8 that is much cheaper than a RF 100-300 f2.8, is very appealing. And for birding/sports the RF 100-500 making it a 160-800 f7.1 is also appealing. It's really a no brainer for me that the R7 MII is a good choice...as long as Canon fixes the issues of the R7 rolling shutter, camera ergonomics, and lack of no grip.
If a 1.6x crop factor turns my RF 100-500 into a 160-800 f/7.1, then clicking my R5 into 1.6 crop mode would do the same. Or, cropping a full frame image by 1.6x in post processing would also lengthen the lens.
 
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Just a hunch, as they'll likely have to catch up on orders for the R6iii, C50v, and the slate of lenses soon to be announced. If the 300-600 is one such lens it's going to be a hot commodity itself.

I'm expecting a fairly big backlog of products needing to be moved. I hope my hunch is wrong and would expect to see first confirmed specs in January or February if a Q1 announcement for the R7 holds serve.

Yeah, not buying that. Plenty of R body examples where Canon has announced two models simultaneously or back to back. Sure availability was backlogged after release but that didn't stop Canon from announcing and releasing. Really that seems to be the photo industry standard operation. Also Canon does not make cameras and lenses in the same factory so there in no reason Canon can't produce the 300-600 lens concurrent with whatever new bodies are announced this year or next.

If the R5 II and R1 are examples of Canon's ability to ramp up production I suspect the R6III and C50V backlogs will be filled within a few months of release so there doesn't seem to be production capacity problem with a late winter R7II announcement / early spring R7 II release. If the R7 II is going to be a success out of the gate Canon needs to release for spring migration season or I think a lot of people will move on from it.
 
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If a 1.6x crop factor turns my RF 100-500 into a 160-800 f/7.1, then clicking my R5 into 1.6 crop mode would do the same. Or, cropping a full frame image by 1.6x in post processing would also lengthen the lens.
It's odd to see such a silly reply from one of the most highly respected contributors here at Canon Rumors. Because you know, without a doubt, that the R5 in crop mode is less than 18mp, and that Canon has no other FF models with more MPs. So, seriously, you want to equate 18 MP with the 32 MP of the R7?
 
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It's odd to see such a silly reply from one of the most highly respected contributors here at Canon Rumors. Because you know, without a doubt, that the R5 in crop mode is less than 18mp, and that Canon has no other FF models with more MPs. So, seriously, you want to equate 18 MP with the 32 MP of the R7?
Just think before making a comment like that as you know I do understand these matters, especially as I have discussed these things many times. Surely you can work it out for yourself that's precisely what I am getting at - the reach depends on the relative megapixels of the FF sensor and the APS-C sensor, and the f-number must be considered in equivalence terms and a f/2.8 200mm doesn't become an f/2.8 300mm. The actual relative reach of a 32 Mpx R7 is 1.4x that of the 45 Mpx R5 (under optimal conditions), not 1.6x, and that of a 24 Mpx sensor APS-C only 1.17x! So, a cropped R5 or R5ii is pretty close in reach to the R10, R50 etc. What I am trying to do is to get people to think about it and work out for themselves what is going on. Too many people confuse field of view with reach.
 
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The R6iii really reminds me of the EOS 30D. The 20D was a revolution in terms of resolution, AF and sheer versatility. It's replacement was the EOS 30D and was utterly forgetable in terms of upgade and new features.
That's a pretty fascinating take, especially given that the 6-3 is getting a 30+% increase in resolution (which is roughly the same percentage of a jump the 20D took over the 10D), and improved AF over its predecessor - two of the three items you say made the 20D an upgrade over the 10D. This probably isn't the thread for it, but I'm curious to know why you think that it's a big zero as far as improvements go.
 
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Maybe they are trying to bring global shutter into that camera. Would be great to have that at maybe 11 bit but a progressive readout with higher dynamic range. I do not know if that is possible technologically but global shutter means to hold the state and read out the sensor faster. Lower ADC bit depth might help to speed up the ADC conversion.
Would be a good compromise IMO.
Just an idea - and soma hope about a small revolution with 7D ii. - EDIT R7 ii !
 
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I really hope the release of the R7 MII doesn't follow the same path of the 7D MII, which kept getting pushed out for months, 6-7 I believe. But it felt more like a year with all the talk and hype about the camera. Just like all the talk and hype of the R7 MII and the features it may, or may not, have.

The R7 MII isn't a must camera for me, but the 1.6 crop factor that turns the RF 70-200 into a 112-320 2.8 that is much cheaper than a RF 100-300 f2.8, is very appealing. And for birding/sports the RF 100-500 making it a 160-800 f7.1 is also appealing. It's really a no brainer for me that the R7 MII is a good choice...as long as Canon fixes the issues of the R7 rolling shutter, camera ergonomics, and lack of no grip.
With a 1.62x crop, you generally gain a stop more depth of field. So your 70-200/f2.8 becomes a relative 100-300/f4, not a 100-300/f2.8 (although that what the camera will record in its exif files).

Typically, you loose a stop’s worth of light for your aperture value. This is usually seen in a 1 stop more iso noise, observable between a R5 and a R7.
 
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A 70-200mm f/2.8 is a 70-200mm f/2.8 and will always be a 70-200mm f/2.8, no matter the sensor you put behind it.
The smaller the sensor, the smaller the portion of the circle of projection the camera will use.
In terms of light gathering, a 2.8 lens is and will always be a 2.8, no matter the sensor you attach it on, so at the same settings the exposure will be the same.
Depending on the size of the sensor you will get a narrower or a wider field of view. The bigger the sensor, the wider; the smaller, the narrower.
In terms of ISO noise, at higher ISO an R7 is about 2 stops worse than an R6 at the same settings.

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If you put a 100-300mm f/4-5.6 lens on a APS-C body, at 300mm it will be equivalent to 480mm F/9. If you used a Full Frame body, for example using the RF 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1L IS USM @480mm F/9 will give the same depth of field. But if you used that same lens @500mm F/7.1 on a full frame you will get 2/3 stop more shallow depth of field then with the APS-C with the 100-300 f/5.6
 
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Oh dear, do we really need to get into another argument about the 'equivalence' of f/ numbers as between APS-C and FF sensors?
If you consider three things: (1) field of view, (2) depth of field and (3) exposure, it's possible to construct a definition of "equivalence" by holding two of them constant while allowing the third to change. Most people, including me, hold the FOV and exposure constant while allowing the DOF to change. Others hold the FOV and DOF constant while allowing the exposure to change (F/2.8 is F/2.8 regardless of the size of the sensor.) And most people don't consider that cropping an image changes the FOV but holds the DOF and exposure constant.

Hope that helps or, at least, doesn't make things worse..

Update: Comparing images between my R6-2 and R7, I'd say the R7 noise is about a stop worse than the R6-2.
 
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If a 1.6x crop factor turns my RF 100-500 into a 160-800 f/7.1, then clicking my R5 into 1.6 crop mode would do the same. Or, cropping a full frame image by 1.6x in post processing would also lengthen the lens.
While entirely correct, and something I have certainly done with my R5ii, the key difference that that using the R5/R5ii in 1.6 crop mode results in an image with far less pixels on the subject that using the same lenses with an APS-C body with around 30M MP. For smaller subjects in the frame the APS-C option either gives you either more detail or additional ability to crop without loosing too many pixels in the final image vs a FF in 1.6 crop mode.
 
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I'm disappointed, but not surprised. I can't afford it yet anyway (well, I can, but not the 100-500mm to go along with it), but It would have been nice to have a few extra months of reviews and testing by others before I make the decision to purchase.

I own an R50V and it's pretty good. I'm thinking of something a bit upmarket from there, an R7V perhaps, to compete with the Sony FX30.

Right, if the R50V competes more with the ZV-E10 II then there's a gap in Canon's lineup (if they want to fill it) to compete with the FX30.

Oh dear, do we really need to get into another argument about the 'equivalence' of f/ numbers as between APS-C and FF sensors?

Apparently.:rolleyes:
 
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While entirely correct, and something I have certainly done with my R5ii, the key difference that that using the R5/R5ii in 1.6 crop mode results in an image with far less pixels on the subject that using the same lenses with an APS-C body with around 30M MP. For smaller subjects in the frame the APS-C option either gives you either more detail or additional ability to crop without loosing too many pixels in the final image vs a FF in 1.6 crop mode.

And far more noise as a counterpart. Don't forget it.
 
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While entirely correct, and something I have certainly done with my R5ii, the key difference that that using the R5/R5ii in 1.6 crop mode results in an image with far less pixels on the subject that using the same lenses with an APS-C body with around 30M MP. For smaller subjects in the frame the APS-C option either gives you either more detail or additional ability to crop without loosing too many pixels in the final image vs a FF in 1.6 crop mode.
Of course dedicated top of the line APSC body will always be able provide more details/reach than high MP Full frame bodies but at some point you will be able with a single body to do both wildlife + others.
I would say for someone that don't want to have to deal with 2 bodies and having to buy a R6 camera + R7 camera it can worth it to just buy a single R5 line camera.

At least for an amateur like me I could totally see myself trying a bit of wildlife photography with a R5 without buying a R7, 17 mp would be enough for my use case. Once R5 in 1,6 crop mode will have 30mp the needs would only really matter for the very high end of professionnal wildlife photographer.
 
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Yeah, not buying that. Plenty of R body examples where Canon has announced two models simultaneously or back to back. Sure availability was backlogged after release but that didn't stop Canon from announcing and releasing. Really that seems to be the photo industry standard operation. Also Canon does not make cameras and lenses in the same factory so there in no reason Canon can't produce the 300-600 lens concurrent with whatever new bodies are announced this year or next.

If the R5 II and R1 are examples of Canon's ability to ramp up production I suspect the R6III and C50V backlogs will be filled within a few months of release so there doesn't seem to be production capacity problem with a late winter R7II announcement / early spring R7 II release. If the R7 II is going to be a success out of the gate Canon needs to release for spring migration season or I think a lot of people will move on from it.

Spring migration season is definitely going to be important for the R7 Mk ii! Would have liked to see it announced now and released in time to get under the Christmas tree. Now the hope is just to get it in time for migration.
 
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