The Canon XC10 is Now Shipping

[Canon Rumors]

We’ve received word from various places that the Canon XC10 camcorder has begun shipping, LensRentals.com received a <a href="https://www.facebook.com/lensrentals/photos/a.169429079741193.45583.131783120172456/1119644708052954/?type=1&permPage=1" target="_blank">whole pile of them today</a>, and should start <a href="https://www.lensrentals.com/rent/video/cameras/canon/canon-xc10-4k-professional-camcorder" target="_blank">renting them fairly soon</a>.</p>
<p>B&H Photo still lists availability as July 15, 2015, but we expect that to change.</p>
<p class="fs16 OpenSans-600-normal upper product-highlights-header">PRODUCT HIGHLIGHTS</p>
<ul class="top-section-list" data-selenium="highlightList">
<li class="top-section-list-item">1″ CMOS Sensor and DIGIC DV 5 Processor</li>
<li class="top-section-list-item">UltraHD 4K at 29.97/23.98p</li>
<li class="top-section-list-item">H.264 Recording in MXF Wrapper</li>
<li class="top-section-list-item">Up to 305 Mbps 4K / 50 Mbps HD Recording</li>
<li class="top-section-list-item">SDHC/SDXC and CFast Card Slots</li>
<li class="top-section-list-item">HDMI Output – Supports 4K Monitoring</li>
<li class="top-section-list-item">10x Zoom / 8.9 to 89mm Focal Length</li>
<li class="top-section-list-item">f/2.8 to 5.6 Aperture Range</li>
<li class="top-section-list-item">100 to 20,000 ISO Range</li>
<li class="top-section-list-item">Ergonomic Tilting Hand Grip</li>
</ul>
<p><em>thanks <span class="s1">Demetrious</span></em></p>
<p><strong>Preorder: Canon XC10 Camcorder $2499: <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1134581-REG/canon_0565c013_xc10.html/BI/2466/KBID/3296/DFF/d10-v21-t1-x622194" target="_blank">B&H Photo</a> | <a href="http://www.adorama.com/caxc10.html?kbid=64393" target="_blank">Adorama</a></strong></p>

 

[thepancakeman]

...and should start renting them fairly soon...

I think you mean "have them available to rent soon". It is a bigger question as to whether anyone will actually rent one.

 

[Famateur]

...and should start renting them fairly soon...

I think you mean "have them available to rent soon". It is a bigger question as to whether anyone will actually rent one.

LOL...Yeah. I read the headline and thought, "Really? I wonder what his/her name is..."

 

[MarekBi]

I have one for 3 days and i have return to shop because:
- codec developed by canon is't support for fcpx avid or adobe premiere you can only see picture in canon utility software
- focus ring is a joke works very unprecise and is electoronicaly controled
- dof is like in normal camera
- f stop from 2.8 to 5.6 is funny
- and when you have wifi on hdmi is of - this is written small font in manual
- no double card recording
- no lanc
- there is usb port but in manual there is nothing about
- only 3 custom button
- headphone socket is in grip why?
- when you connect camera by usb to computer you don't see card or cammera
- and many more,,,,

Support from europe don't know nothing about this toy or about codec - only Edius support mxf files
This is a toy for grandmother party ...

 

[cayenne]

Yeah...I"ve been wondering exactly what the use for this camera is...without swappable lenses.

 

[bp]

Shipping to... who? Who would want this camera?

 

[drs]

...
- f stop from 2.8 to 5.6 is funny
...

I don't get this. What was Canon thinking? It feels like anything on it is a compromise.

 

[EduPortas]

I stumbled on this footage on YouTube a few days ago, if that's any good

for actual video quality assessments of the XC10.

Seems to be from an Italian magazine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M84vVDx4mU

I see better resolution than previous HD DLSR's, obviously,

but can't really say about the actual color depth of the image (more testing is needed).

An intriguing product by Canon, for sure.

As a video enthusiast who gets payed from time to time for his work,

I would be very interested in an affordable 4K Canon product that

spares me the obvious headaches associated with DSLR recording.

(Contrary to the above poster, I don't mind a deep DOF. In fact, now I

actively search for it when in the field. Video wise, that F2.8-5.6 is not

completely irrational)

 

[KrisK]

(Contrary to the above poster, I don't mind a deep DOF. In fact, now I

actively search for it when in the field. Video wise, that F2.8-5.6 is not

completely irrational)

Thanks for that. I do wish people would comment on what the camera IS rather than what it's not.

Another sample. Graded footage shows nice color; hightlight rolloff nicer to my eye than the Sony 1" (e.g. X70, AX100.)

https://youtu.be/_Z-lvv1H19Q

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Problem:

Sony A7R II has a MUCH bigger sensor, appears to deliver better quality video, offers higher fps, takes Canon lenses (ironic the Canon doesn't, but the Sony does) AND you get a 42MP high DR stills tossed in (as opposed to low MP, low DR stills from the XC10 thrown in).

 

[preppyak]

Problem:

Sony A7R II has a MUCH bigger sensor, appears to deliver better quality video, offers higher fps, takes Canon lenses (ironic the Canon doesn't, but the Sony does) AND you get a 42MP high DR stills tossed in (as opposed to low MP, low DR stills from the XC10 thrown in).

True, though the A7RII is $500+ more expensive without a lens, and with a Canon lens that is equivalent (perhaps the 28-300L?), you're out another $1-2k as well. So, that potentially doubles the price.

Seems pretty clear the Canon is targeting a pretty specific niche. Drone work (where shallow DOF isnt that important, but consistency is), and probably action/crash-cam work, again, where rigging and consistency matter. It's about the only way to explain some of the insane decisions, like the headphone jack on the grip. They assume everyone will be rigging this camera in some way, and not using it as an all-around option.

That said, with the sensor size and lens, this should have been $15-1800. And like some of the Canon lens prices dropping out, it will be withing 6-12 months

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

Problem:

Sony A7R II has a MUCH bigger sensor, appears to deliver better quality video, offers higher fps, takes Canon lenses (ironic the Canon doesn't, but the Sony does) AND you get a 42MP high DR stills tossed in (as opposed to low MP, low DR stills from the XC10 thrown in).

True, though the A7RII is $500+ more expensive without a lens, and with a Canon lens that is equivalent (perhaps the 28-300L?), you're out another $1-2k as well. So, that potentially doubles the price.

Not really since you hardly need to go 28-300L, you could put a 18-200 or whatnot (Super35mm 4k) even.
Plus, for a Canon user, you probably already have lenses, otherwise why do you even have Canon? Can't take pics with a Canon EOS body alone.

Seems pretty clear the Canon is targeting a pretty specific niche. Drone work (where shallow DOF isnt that important, but consistency is),

Yeah, although it's a little bulkier than a GoPro I think.

 

[mar10_b]

This camera is being trashed by many but IMO this camera could be great for second unit for reality shows or documentary work.
For some remote locations I would prefer not having to carry lenses, external recorder, batteries, focus rig, etc..
Is there another camera as small, that can record HD in 422 at 50Mpbs or 4K 422 at 305Mbps (without an external recorder) with a similar sensor or bigger?

 

[baervan]

what i dont understand is why they didnt catch the chance to develop the M line thus making this cam a smaller cheaper M-version of the C100/C500 camcomrders.. they couldve implemented it in this very same form factor with tiny swappable lenses, APS-C, they already had all the tech

 

[Bernard]

Sony A7R II has a MUCH bigger sensor, appears to deliver better quality video, offers higher fps, takes Canon lenses (ironic the Canon doesn't, but the Sony does) AND you get a 42MP high DR stills tossed in (as opposed to low MP, low DR stills from the XC10 thrown in).

The Sony has dismal battery life, needs an external recorder to get full video quality, doesn't have much native lens support, is very hard to rig, and the large sensor makes it hard to do anything other than "look what I can do" shots (clients and your audience usually want to see the story you are telling rather than your trite shallow focus).

I understand how stills shooters would find the Sony appealing, based on specs alone, but an integrated and well thought-out video solution will always be better in the field. Too bad Canon's new codec isn't supported by the major NLE's yet. Early adopters will need to convert the files before they edit.

 

[drs]

...
Video wise, that F2.8-5.6 is not
completely irrational)
...

Please elaborate on that statement. I shoot video since 1986, and worked over two decades by now in feature film film production, but you are the first one who can see an advantage in it. I'm really interested where you see a positive aspect of it. I have obviously missed it so far. Thanks. (I hope I do not sound like a Forum Troll here, if so sorry, not my intention)

 

[cayenne]

Problem:

Sony A7R II has a MUCH bigger sensor, appears to deliver better quality video, offers higher fps, takes Canon lenses (ironic the Canon doesn't, but the Sony does) AND you get a 42MP high DR stills tossed in (as opposed to low MP, low DR stills from the XC10 thrown in).

True, though the A7RII is $500+ more expensive without a lens, and with a Canon lens that is equivalent (perhaps the 28-300L?), you're out another $1-2k as well. So, that potentially doubles the price.

Seems pretty clear the Canon is targeting a pretty specific niche. Drone work (where shallow DOF isnt that important, but consistency is), and probably action/crash-cam work, again, where rigging and consistency matter. It's about the only way to explain some of the insane decisions, like the headphone jack on the grip. They assume everyone will be rigging this camera in some way, and not using it as an all-around option.

That said, with the sensor size and lens, this should have been $15-1800. And like some of the Canon lens prices dropping out, it will be withing 6-12 months

If I were going for drone work at this type of price range, etc...I'd likely get this Blackmagic new camera:

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicmicrocinemacamera

It has a MFT mount, but with an adapter could take your Canon lenses too...?

cayenne

 

[EduPortas]

...
Video wise, that F2.8-5.6 is not
completely irrational)
...

Please elaborate on that statement. I shoot video since 1986, and worked over two decades by now in feature film film production, but you are the first one who can see an advantage in it. I'm really interested where you see a positive aspect of it. I have obviously missed it so far. Thanks. (I hope I do not sound like a Forum Troll here, if so sorry, not my intention)

Of course, my friend. I'll speak for myself here because of the type of work that I do and and that I like to watch. The basic advantage of using a videocamera versus a DSLR is the combination of a smallish sensor and a lens that behaves properly within a considerable zoom range. That seems to be the case with the XC10.

Generally, you'll get deep DOF with that combo with the added benefit of portability. A F1.4 lens that's soft wide open serves no function, FOR ME, even if it lets in a lot of light into my videocamera. I find DSLRs notoriously difficult to work with because most of them were not designed with video as their priority. Since Canon's 5D Mark II, of course, DSLRs have a special "video allure" that's only justified if you really know how to properly use them. I would much rather work with a solid parfocal system.

That's what I meant with my statement. I'd gladly pay for the XC10 if Canon delivered a 4K video-centric product that made my ENG easier and be somewhat affordable. Canon ergonomics are welcome.

 

[EduPortas]

Our Japanese friends have started to unbox their XC10's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK3Ma4ABlT0

The body-lens combo looks diminutive!

 

[LetTheRightLensIn]

This camera is being trashed by many but IMO this camera could be great for second unit for reality shows or documentary work.
For some remote locations I would prefer not having to carry lenses, external recorder, batteries, focus rig, etc..
Is there another camera as small, that can record HD in 422 at 50Mpbs or 4K 422 at 305Mbps (without an external recorder) with a similar sensor or bigger?

Maybe, but no reality shows are broadcast at 4k yet and by the time they are.... maybe for some documentary work where they want it future proof or to be able to project at 4k.
I'm sure the tiny size and all-in-one is nice in some scenarios, but I think the uses might be a lot more specialized than they had hoped for.