The EOS 80D Replacement to be a Big Leap Forward [CR2]

[SV]

Heard it will be called the EOS AR-90

 

[RGF]

I'm quite happy with the 80D to be honest.. it's a really decent camera.

I had hoped to move to full frame but the 6D MkII seemed a step back. Hopefully this really is a leap forward... but damn it I want to move beyond crop!

that is why Canon needs to move the needle - get you to open your wallet and buy the 90D.

Don't expect to see it

 

[jolyonralph]

Maybe it will become the EOS 8D

 

[RGF]

We’re hearing very little about new DSLRs from Canon

That's because Canon knows mirrorless is the future and the DSLR is dead. They're switching entirely to mirrorless, all DSLR production will stop immediately.

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!!!!

perhaps they will even a phone to the camera and make it small enough to put in your pocket. And call it an iP.. hold there is an iPhone

 

[RGF]

It seems that Canon first seriously updates their top of line cameras and then the features get diluted and trickle down to lower end cameras. You can expect this to continue ..

the 90 D will be an 80D with slightly better bells and whistles. nothing more

 

[Loswr]

We’re hearing very little about new DSLRs from Canon

That's because Canon knows mirrorless is the future and the DSLR is dead. They're switching entirely to mirrorless, all DSLR production will stop immediately.

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!!!!

perhaps they will even a phone to the camera and make it small enough to put in your pocket. And call it an iP.. hold there is an iPhone

Wait, are you suggesting some sort of merger/acquisition between Canon and Apple? That sounds unlikely. But maybe if I write a 2,000 word forum post filled with RANDOMLY capitalized words, it will sound PLAUSIBLE. Especially if I sprinkle the post liberally with LEGALESE and TECHNOBABBLE and make promises I don't intend to keep.

;D

 

[ahsanford]

It seems that Canon first seriously updates their top of line cameras and then the features get diluted and trickle down to lower end cameras. You can expect this to continue ..

the 90 D will be an 80D with slightly better bells and whistles. nothing more

Except Canon doesn't operate this way in crop like it does in FF.

FF: 1DX --> 5D3 --> 6D1 got launched in cadence and kept a similar refresh timing. So, they repeated that approach with the 1DX2 --> 5D4 --> 6D2, and one would think they would keep that structure in place for the next revision.

But crop is quite different:

7-series: 5-ish year refresh
XXD-series: 3-ish year refresh
(slush of tweener rigs like the 760D, 77D, etc.): TBD, Canon is still feeling this market out
Rebel series: 2 year refresh (nowadays, used to be 1 year).

So, in this case, yes, the 7D3 and 90D appear to be slated to come out within 12 months of each other, so yes, Canon could do the 1-Series --> 5-Series --> 6- Series trickle down thing -- but it's not consistent with past practice. I would not be surprised to see the 90D come out before the 7D3.

- A

 

[ahsanford]

the 90 D will be an 80D with slightly better bells and whistles. nothing more

For stills folks, I think you're right.

But some video folks would give their left nut for DPAF + 4K + tilty-flippy in a rig ~ $1200, even if it's crop. I think the 90D will be very attractive to video folks, even if lacks all the fine-print specifics some folks really want.

- A

 

[Don Haines]

It seems that Canon first seriously updates their top of line cameras and then the features get diluted and trickle down to lower end cameras. You can expect this to continue ..

the 90 D will be an 80D with slightly better bells and whistles. nothing more

Actually, new features tend to arrive on lower end cameras, even powershots!

 

[privatebydesign]

the 90 D will be an 80D with slightly better bells and whistles. nothing more

For stills folks, I think you're right.

But some video folks would give their left nut for DPAF + 4K + tilty-flippy in a rig ~ $1200, even if it's crop. I think the 90D will be very attractive to video folks, even if lacks all the fine-print specifics some folks really want.

- A

People on stills orientated forums often lose track of video sensor sizes. An APS crop is effectively the same size as Super 35, the $30,000 body only C700 is a Super 35 sized sensor.

 

[snappy604]

I'm quite happy with the 80D to be honest.. it's a really decent camera.

I had hoped to move to full frame but the 6D MkII seemed a step back. Hopefully this really is a leap forward... but damn it I want to move beyond crop!

that is why Canon needs to move the needle - get you to open your wallet and buy the 90D.

Don't expect to see it

Sad thing is my wallet was ready for the 6d MkII when it came out... and now it's not :-/

 

[dak723]

To translate Canonspeak: "Future proof" = "Compete with Sony"

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!

The Sony love shown on this forum is unbelievable! Go buy a Sony and be happy!

That's what I did - and I am so happy that Canon makes cameras that are SO MUCH BETTER!

That cured me of the Sony-mania that runs rampant on the internet! A few days with a Sony and you will appreciate the ergonomics of Canon, the reliability of Canon and most of all the color quality of Canon.

But please, continue to troll the Canon forums! We can always use a good laugh!

 

[HarryFilm]

We’re hearing very little about new DSLRs from Canon

That's because Canon knows mirrorless is the future and the DSLR is dead. They're switching entirely to mirrorless, all DSLR production will stop immediately.

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!!!!

perhaps they will even a phone to the camera and make it small enough to put in your pocket. And call it an iP.. hold there is an iPhone

Wait, are you suggesting some sort of merger/acquisition between Canon and Apple? That sounds unlikely. But maybe if I write a 2,000 word forum post filled with RANDOMLY capitalized words, it will sound PLAUSIBLE. Especially if I sprinkle the post liberally with LEGALESE and TECHNOBABBLE and make promises I don't intend to keep.

;D

---

OK !!! NOW you're just getting annoying!

Here is the scoop!

1) We were bought out! FOR A S&*^&LOAD of money!

2) it WAS NOT CANON !!!

3) I was able to FORCE the buyer to agree to some specific product terms
which they were actually rather fine and pleased to agree with!
These are HARD CONTRACT TERMS and they are being adhered to!

4) A Very Large Sensor 65mm Medium Format COMBINED Stills and Video Camera
is coming out real soon now.....I ENSURED THE FOLLOWING ARE HAPPENING!

a) It has 8192 by 6144 pixels at a 4:3 aspect ratio with recording
at multiple user-selectable common cinema and video aspect ratios.

b) It has 16-bits per colour channel with RGB + Depth Map Channel (64-bits pixel)

c) It shoots at 25 fps Burst rate 50 megapixels

d) It has a 6.xx microns per photosite Bayer Pattern sensor

e) It has 4:4:4 RAW and 4:4:4/4:2:2 at 14/12/10/8-bits
per channel JPEG-2000/JPEG still photos with a depth map channel.

f) It has 4:4:4 RAW uncompressed, 2:1, 3:1 and 4:1 RAW 16/14/12/10/8-bits
per channel + depth map video saved internally to removable SSD drives
(TWO SSD connectors) and via the HDMI/Display ports video out.

g) It has DCI 4k (4096 x 2160 pixels) 4:2:2 14/12/10/8-bits per channel
+ depth map INTERFRAME H.265 compressed video out with each frame
fully sampled from the entire sensor at a full 60 fps. (Video is CLEAN
on all output ports)

h) It has DCI 4K 120 fps 10 bit 4:2:2 video and DCI 4K 240 fps 4:2:0 8-bit
video cropped from the middle of the sensor.

i) It has Date/Time/GPS Location and other user-definable Metadata Stamps
on every still photo and every video frame or every GOP (group of frames)
which is user selectable and streamed out live via USB-3.1 port.

j) It is low-light and low-noise-specific engineered BETTER THAN the Sony A7s2

h) It has a very ergonomic moveable/changeable grip and the body
has a fullyrotating/swivelling OLED 2.7k Live View screen

i) Multiple lenses are coming out right from the starting gate!
Both Zooms and Primes of VERY high quality! Lens prices will
be commensurate with quality of lenses.

j) Battery life for Stills AND Video is phenomenal because battery
is much larger than most other systems

k) MUCH Cheaper than Hasselblad and Phase-One!


5) A series of large sensor Android smartphones (Four-thirds AND an APS-C
at 28.4mm diagonal size) with 4K screens and 16 Gigabytes of SYSTEM RAM
and 128 GB and 256 GB of built-in storage is coming out! One phone will
have an interchangeable lens. I won't yet say which mount because that
would be too obvious!) Stills are 20+ Megapixels 4:4:4/4:2:2 RAW/JPEG-2000/JPEG
and video is 4096x2160 at 60 fps 10 bits 4:2:2 Interframe H.265 encoded.

6) A DCI 8K (8192 by 4380 pixel) 65mm video/cinema camera
is ALSO being introduced with details coming later.

SO THERE !!!!

P.S. YES they ALL use my codec!

P.S.2. YES I did take a check ride in that Bell 429 !!!

P.S.3 YES I have actual corporate APPROVAL to leak the specs here....

 

[Etienne]

the 90 D will be an 80D with slightly better bells and whistles. nothing more

For stills folks, I think you're right.

But some video folks would give their left nut for DPAF + 4K + tilty-flippy in a rig ~ $1200, even if it's crop. I think the 90D will be very attractive to video folks, even if lacks all the fine-print specifics some folks really want.

- A

People on stills orientated forums often lose track of video sensor sizes. An APS crop is effectively the same size as Super 35, the $30,000 body only C700 is a Super 35 sized sensor.

The new Canon C700 FF is Full Frame 35mm US$ 33,000

 

[privatebydesign]

the 90 D will be an 80D with slightly better bells and whistles. nothing more

For stills folks, I think you're right.

But some video folks would give their left nut for DPAF + 4K + tilty-flippy in a rig ~ $1200, even if it's crop. I think the 90D will be very attractive to video folks, even if lacks all the fine-print specifics some folks really want.

- A

People on stills orientated forums often lose track of video sensor sizes. An APS crop is effectively the same size as Super 35, the $30,000 body only C700 is a Super 35 sized sensor.

The new Canon C700 FF is Full Frame 35mm US$ 33,000

Yes, and the C700 is Super 35 and $28,000, further, many of the Cine lenses have a Super 35 31.5mm diameter image circle, yep the $70,000 50-1000mm lens won't even cover a 35mm "FF" sensor.

 

[Don Haines]

We’re hearing very little about new DSLRs from Canon

That's because Canon knows mirrorless is the future and the DSLR is dead. They're switching entirely to mirrorless, all DSLR production will stop immediately.

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!!!!

perhaps they will even a phone to the camera and make it small enough to put in your pocket. And call it an iP.. hold there is an iPhone

Wait, are you suggesting some sort of merger/acquisition between Canon and Apple? That sounds unlikely. But maybe if I write a 2,000 word forum post filled with RANDOMLY capitalized words, it will sound PLAUSIBLE. Especially if I sprinkle the post liberally with LEGALESE and TECHNOBABBLE and make promises I don't intend to keep.

;D

But now he can claim special knowledge...... after all, who could have predicted that after the 10D, the 20D, the 30D, the 40D, the 50D, the 60D, the 70D, and the 80D, that the 80D would be replaced by a 90D. INCONCEIVABLE!

 

[Durf]

Well, the 90D won't be able to cook me dinner or get me a beer out of the fridge, so I'll just keep using my good ole trustworthy and dependable 80D and cook my own dinner and get my own beer out of the fridge....

 

[Don Haines]

Well, the 90D won't be able to cook me dinner or get me a beer out of the fridge, so I'll just keep using my good ole trustworthy and dependable 80D and cook my own dinner and get my own beer out of the fridge....

They had a special Canadian version of the 90D which would get you a bear out of the fridge, which would then eat you for dinner..... but due to liability issues, it had to be cancelled......

 

[Durf]

Well, the 90D won't be able to cook me dinner or get me a beer out of the fridge, so I'll just keep using my good ole trustworthy and dependable 80D and cook my own dinner and get my own beer out of the fridge....

They had a special Canadian version of the 90D which would get you a bear out of the fridge, which would then eat you for dinner..... but due to liability issues, it had to be cancelled......

I've got bears walking around my cabin here almost on a daily basis, none of them will get me a beer!

One got my bird feeder a couple of weeks ago and I had it strung 20ft up from a tree, this bear had to do a suicide dive to get it but he did......I found it out back chewed to peices.
(But I do get some darn good bear pics here!)

 

[Loswr]

(But I do get some darn good bear pics here!)

I get some good beer pics here, too.