The painful reality of vacation photography

takesome1 said:
Simple solutions, decide if your a tourist or a photographer.

Plan your vacations around areas you would like to photograph.
The area you went appears great for beach shots of girls in bikinis. Depending on your wife's attitude about this you might have to leave her at home next time.

Get backpacks for those teenagers so they can carry your gear. Sure they complain, but take advantage of them now because in a few years they will be grown and gone.

Sand, salt and grime. Just clean your gear when your done.

Thanks for the comments takesome1. This place is so small, there are only about 8-10 or so guests other than us. Mostly couples, not families. I think they only have about 8 rooms. So not much in the way of beach babes. There was one 'babe' college girl that is in a few of the shots who was there with her boyfriend. The rest were baby boomer couples who could afford this place. Other than a few boats that stopped by, we saw no one since we were an hour's boat ride away from everything. So no public visitors, passers by, etc. The place ran on solar power and de-sal water. Everything else had to be brought in by boat. That's how remote it was. So this was really a "disconnect" goal oriented trip! :D

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LovePhotography said:
6D body and lenses: 8-15mm, Sigma 24-105mm art, 70-200 mm 2.8 mk2, 1.4 x TCiii, and 2 x TCiii. And I took every damn shot... all 450+ of them with my iPhone6+. Never even opened up the camera backpack.

Imho your gear isn't suitable for casual tourist photography at all, but I guess it's a common scenario. The 6d is rather fragile, and the lenses are big and very expensive.

You should have tried taking an older crop camera like the 60d (or 50d, or ...) and a mid-range lens like the 15-85 or really the 40 pancake. It's not heavy-duty either, but smaller and definitely better iq and usability than a phone cam. Most important: If something should break, it doesn't wreck you financially.
 
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First, I assume that was a digital zoom which is why the IQ fell off so quickly.

But, my recommendation and what I do is pick your moments and make your dSLR as family friendly as possible.

I occasionally set up one or two events where the family can be entertained while I am taking photos (tours, etc). But also critical to picking moments to get those one or two shots of the family together where you want the best possible IQ. The keepsake shots.

Other than that, having the right bag so you can have quick access to your dSLR or having the dSLR at your side with a black rapid strap (or something similar) can make carrying the dSLR much more family friendly.

All that said, there is nothing wrong with a good shot taken with a phone....it is still a good shot.
 
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Still don't find myself using my iPhone for photography much - mostly reminder or shopping snaps. I traded the S100 for a small mirrorless rig (M with a couple of lenses) for these situations. I only break out the 6D and L's when photography is the goal.

My wife tends to use her iPhone rather than the S100 when she isn't isn't sketching or painting. She captured me fishing in RMNP last weekend. My camera gear was in the car.
 

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dcm said:
Still don't find myself using my iPhone for photography much - mostly reminder or shopping snaps. I traded the S100 for a small mirrorless rig (M with a couple of lenses) for these situations. I only break out the 6D and L's when photography is the goal.

My wife tends to use her iPhone rather than the S100 when she isn't isn't sketching or painting. She captured me fishing in RMNP last weekend. My camera gear was in the car.

Her dynamic range is horrible ;D Joking of course... I'd prefer sketches over bags of gear any day!
 
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Go with a mirrorless system. If you can get away with one FL, something like the rx1 or the x100t are both great travel options. Or go with an ILC model.

I too used to pack a roller full of stuff and realized that it is just a waste of time with kids and a wife that doesn't want you to take up the additional trunk space.

I've gone on a solid 5-7 family trips and countless day to day outings now with the Fuji xt1 with either the 35mm or 85mm equivalent mounted. On the family trips, I've had the xt1 clipped onto my backpack with a peak design clip and the other prime in a small lens case (slightly larger than a soda can) inside of the pack. The body and two lenses go virtually unnoticed as I am not bringing an extra bag.

Also, others have mentioned that you may be subjecting or forcing your family to participate in your photography. The mirrorless system allows me to basically shoot from the hip whenever since the rear lcd live view shooting is super fast/responsive. I've also never been a fan of getting a ton of the "okay stop, get closer, look this way, everyone smile" photos and prefer candids instead as they are almost 100% of the time, more interesting. Shooting without having to bring the rig up to my face, having a tilting lcd, makes a world of difference for this. The electronic shutters also allow you to shoot completely silently so your family doesn't even realize you're shooting half the time.

And as we all know already, the weight/size difference is substantial. As an example, if I'm wearing a jacket, or bottoms with pockets with a belt, I normally am able to carry the xt1 with the 23mm on my hip and put the 56mm in my pocket (equivalent to 35mm and 85mm primes).
 
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Pookie said:
dcm said:
Still don't find myself using my iPhone for photography much - mostly reminder or shopping snaps. I traded the S100 for a small mirrorless rig (M with a couple of lenses) for these situations. I only break out the 6D and L's when photography is the goal.

My wife tends to use her iPhone rather than the S100 when she isn't isn't sketching or painting. She captured me fishing in RMNP last weekend. My camera gear was in the car.

Her dynamic range is horrible ;D Joking of course... I'd prefer sketches over bags of gear any day!

Yes, but everything appears sharp, in focus and the lighting is pretty even! Good contrast too! :D
 
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RustyTheGeek said:
Pookie said:
dcm said:
Still don't find myself using my iPhone for photography much - mostly reminder or shopping snaps. I traded the S100 for a small mirrorless rig (M with a couple of lenses) for these situations. I only break out the 6D and L's when photography is the goal.

My wife tends to use her iPhone rather than the S100 when she isn't isn't sketching or painting. She captured me fishing in RMNP last weekend. My camera gear was in the car.

Her dynamic range is horrible ;D Joking of course... I'd prefer sketches over bags of gear any day!

Yes, but everything appears sharp, in focus and the lighting is pretty even! Good contrast too! :D

Her colored pencils and watercolors have a bit more DR, but she gives up some sharpness and contrast. ;)

And her kit is a pretty reasonable size too. She can carry it in a pocket.

It also enlarges pretty well when scanned at 2400dpi.
 

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monkey44 said:
You can enjoy your vacation with family and "take reminders" with a mobile device ... OR

You can bring photo kit and capture / create images ...

You can't do both ... :) :) :)

I don't agree with this. Every year my 5D mark and 3 lenses come on holiday with us and it has never been an issue. In fact the family always enjoy going through the pictures with me when we return home.
I have 3 children and they do take their own photos with their phones, but they still like to look at the pictures taken with the DSLR. Quite often they are too busy enjoying themselves to take pictures and they appreciate the fact that someone else is recording the highlights from our holiday.
 
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Ian_of_glos said:
monkey44 said:
You can enjoy your vacation with family and "take reminders" with a mobile device ... OR

You can bring photo kit and capture / create images ...

You can't do both ... :) :) :)

I don't agree with this. Every year my 5D mark and 3 lenses come on holiday with us and it has never been an issue. In fact the family always enjoy going through the pictures with me when we return home.
I have 3 children and they do take their own photos with their phones, but they still like to look at the pictures taken with the DSLR. Quite often they are too busy enjoying themselves to take pictures and they appreciate the fact that someone else is recording the highlights from our holiday.

I think it's fantastic that your family both appreciates and supports your photography. But I get the impression that, unfortunately for some reason, many photographers must endure a sort of love/hate attitude from their families or spouses with regard to their photography. It doesn't seem to matter whether it is merely a hobby or if they are a professional. I don't like it but that doesn't make it any less true. ::)
 
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Last year we went to Serbia, Ireland and Spain over 4 weeks. The Spain bit was the holiday, the rest was catching up with family connections.

I have a 5yo and a 9month old and I took a DSLR camera body, three lenses, flash and tripod. We went to beaches, events, parties, graveyards and so on. My DSLR came with me everywhere and I took shots everywhere (except the graveyards but that was due to other reasons more important than the shot). Many memory cards were filled.

My point is that I have long ago proven to the wife ("Boss") the value of the images a DSLR can take. She has her G1X and iPhone and takes shots all the time, but when home the difference is obvious. There is a place for the iPhone / smartphone as images can be uploaded to facebook quickly (a discussion I would like to see on this forum), but if you really want to take high quality, interesting shots, then a DSLR and your skill is what you should take everywhere.

Sand? I worried more about my 350D (Rebel) with regard to sand than I do for my 1Dx, the difference is that for me now the shot is more valuable than me worrying. I do enough of that elsewhere. I might never be in Barcelona again but I can repair sand in my camera.

Weight? I would carry only one lens at a time (only primes) and foot zoom shots. Camera + BlackRapid strap AND a baby in hand = skillful one handed shots. Not ideal, won't win any awards, but I go a shot.

Vacation photography is a compromise. So try to make the most of what you have and definitely take the camera out and shoot. You will find a way to make it work and when you are back home you will be thankful you did as the shots will be better than what a smartphone can take especially when its outside of perfect conditions.

Oh and post some shots when you come back (which reminds me I have some editing to do from a recent holiday....)
 
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RustyTheGeek said:
I think it's fantastic that your family both appreciates and supports your photography. But I get the impression that, unfortunately for some reason, many photographers must endure a sort of love/hate attitude from their families or spouses with regard to their photography. It doesn't seem to matter whether it is merely a hobby or if they are a professional. I don't like it but that doesn't make it any less true. ::)

Absolutely agree. Both of my kids and my wife don't like when I'm fiddling (especially my wife). She hates when I'm handling the cam but simultaneously hates when I don't catch something she wished I would've caught. Just like all other issues in my marriage, she wants to have her cake and eat it too.

Love/hate relationship would probably describe what my wife feels best.
 
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I have this same debate with myself on every vacation! I have two pocket cameras (S90 & S100), two Rebel class bodies, and two full size bodies (7D,5D) so I probably put way too much thought into what to bring.

If I'm really only going to take snapshots, I bring one of the pocket cameras. You can do some nice artistic work with them if you have the time, but they are pretty slow.

I rarely bring my full sized DSLRs on a vacation. Too much like work!

I'm getting on a plane for Vegas in a few hours and here's what I'm taking this time:

T4i
18-135
30mm F/2 IS
A circular polarizer that fits both lenses
This fits nicely in a Tamrac Velocity 6Z (whatever that means) which in turn drops into my carry on bag.

I will admit that I put a lightweight tripod in my checked suitcase. It will be interesting to see if I use it at all, considering both of my lenses are stabilized.
 
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The OP raises some truthful concerns about vacation and travel photography. I think the big pro DSLR with a multi-lens setup is just entirely impractical.

iPhones might be decent, but they're still cell phones and inferior in many ways.

The ideal setup for travel, in my opinion -

A refurb Nikon D3200 or D3300, with a used 18-200mm.

This is one of the smallest and lightest DSLR's that still packs a seriously good sensor, and perhaps the best all-purpose lens that gives you everything from wide angle to telephoto. It is not as large or heavy as the 18-300. This is a very reasonable size/weight combo that does it all for travel. It also doesn't break the bank and if it gets destroyed or stolen, isn't as devastating as losing pro gear.

That covers virtually all scenarios except low light. For that, a $150 35mm 1.8 does the trick. Small and light. That total "kit" is not unreasonable to lug around. If you own Canon gear, it doesn't matter about interchangeability, because this would be "as is" kit for travel. if you can give up low light and are willing to crank up the ISO - skip the 35mm. High ISO shots with a DSLR are going to be cleaner and better than any cell phone. With just that body and that lens, it really is a small, light and easy platform. Use the simple strap and call it good. At best maybe a thin holster style case in case it rains.

If that is too much - then Powershot or other point and shoot cameras are the next logical step. These are vastly superior to cell phone cameras. But again, if that DSLR is too much, then a powershot is probably a no-go also as at this point, the photographer just isn't willing to carry or use anything extra other than a cell phone.

My opinion is, anything is better than a cell phone.


One thing I've learned is, on vacation or traveling, you just can't get the super high quality photography you think you want. Quality landscapes or scenery requires time, patience and good step. Who has that on vacation? Unless you're a loner and this is your main hobby and enjoyment while traveling, it's not going to work out that way.

Almost like an event photographer, you need a kit that is fast and will adapt to any scenario. Yes, there is always compromise. But that compromise isn't nearly the hit in image quality you'd take settling for a cell phone.

Sure, there is no way that that Nikon setup is going to come close to what my 5D3 can do with a 70-200 II or 24-70 II. However, I'm not going to bring that camera or those lenses. And the Nikon (or Canon equivalent) will be many, many times better than a lousy cell phone.
 
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Hi,

This was taken with a sleeping baby firmly clinging to the left arm/shoulder and a friends sleeping baby next to me, with someone offering me a refreshment (sooo very considerate of him!). The shot looked good so I pulled the camera from the bag, aimed and shot this. Then had the refreshment :-)

We were on holiday on an island close to where we live and lots of our friends joined us camping. Point is that you can take an interesting shot anywhere. BUT you need to have the camera with you. So go out there and take it! Take the DSLR, lens of your choice and do it. Many times I've taken it and shot nothing because child #1 or #2 have been sick/needed toilet/needed (insert *anything here*) and I've had the take care of it. But occasionally there is a small window and you take it. And if you take and use the camera often enough, then it's just expected of you. Now my 1yr old knows what to do when I point a camera at him. :-)
 

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As I plan for my Orlando and Charlotte trip next week with two camera bags with my 5D3, 24-70 II, 85L, 300 f/2.8L II and 11-24L... :o ;D

I only take one bag to the parks though and such and usually wouldn't take two, but I have a media event in Charlotte after Orlando and want my 300 with me... Girlfriend loves when I take my SLR with me everywhere as the pictures are that much better... She demanded I take my 11-24 with me to a few of the breweries we are going to along the way!

I only use my iPhone when I have to... Give me the hassle of a SLR any day. Not that much of a bother for me to lug around.
 
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I have to add some love for the Pancake. I took a 5D2 with grip through Disneyland and without the Pancake I probably wouldn't have got more than a dozen shots, but the footprint of a body with effectively no lens is small enough to dig out of your pack without stopping everything.
A smaller body would have been nice though, I think next time I'm going to try to have a Fuji with me instead (unless Canon releases a competent EOS-M... Ha!).
 
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The ability to choose which lens to use for which situation is one of the advantages of a ILC or SLR. Even if I choose to bring a bagful of lenses, each outing is evaluated for which lens(es) to bring. At night, it's a fast prime, etc. I don't do much landscape photography, so pics of people are often quick or candid. When the wife or kids want a specific pic, they'll ask me to take it. They are so used to me carrying a camera around that it occasions comment when I go without one.

My wife's extended family gets together twice a year. The family spans 4 generations. Nearly everyone is there from my wife's grandfather to our kids' generation. These things are rare, and over the years I've become the "official" documenter of these events. Most use smart phones for quick snaps or for social media posts, but then there are the pics of everyone that will be looked at far more and longer than those.

We create digital scrapbooks that we then print into photo albums for each year. These albums also serve as indices for the entire photo collection, so when the kids grow up and see a picture of something they would like to see more of, it's easy to get to them. I've had three hard drives fail in 6 years. Two were sent to clean rooms to have the data read off the platters. We paid the cost not because of spreadsheets and documents but for those pictures and the memories those pictures represent. I lost a few hundred RAWs when the third drive failed, but I had all the jpgs in SmugMug, and that was good enough. Since then, we've setup a NAS for even more redundancy and capacity.
 
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