Touchscreen Coming to EOS 5D Mark IV? [CR1]

[ahsanford]

You guys crack me up. Go rent a 70D.

Why would I do that? I have a 5DMark III???? LOL!

...to test drive the flipscreen, silly.

Forget the sensor size for a minute: wouldn't it be nice to shoot handheld six inches off the ground without needing to lie down and get dirty or wet? You can preview what that would be like with a 70D rental, that's all he's saying.

- A

 

[infared]

You guys crack me up. Go rent a 70D.

Why would I do that? I have a 5DMark III???? LOL!

...to test drive the flipscreen, silly.

Forget the sensor size for a minute: wouldn't it be nice to shoot handheld six inches off the ground without needing to lie down and get dirty or wet? You can preview what that would be like with a 70D rental, that's all he's saying.

- A

Oh...(poking fun here)....I use my Olympus OM-D EM-5 Mark II when I get down and dirty with my flippy screen. Can shoot 40mp, too!

 

[a4jp.com]

And I also don't like finger marks on a fixed touch screen where I'd like to see the sharpness of a pic.

Sorry, don't mean to be rude, but that makes no sense at all.

If you are worried about finger marks on a screen, don't touch it. It's as simple as that. Just because a camera has a touch screen, it doesn't mean you have to use it. It's just a simpler, more efficient way to cycle through the menus and change settings. And, honestly, you are more likely to get marks on a screen from putting your eye up to the viewfinder and your cheek/nose against the camera, whether it is a touch screen or not.

There is no legitimate reason to object to a touch screen -- just myths. The only legitimate reason to object to a flip screen is that the hinge takes up additional real estate on the back of the camera, so the right-side buttons would need to be relocated.

I agree too, but you could get some of those thin gloves with the touch screen sensitive finger tips to get rid of the fingerprint problem.

This is gonna be so cool. It will be great being to pinch zoom to check the focus. Also nice being able to flip around the screen to protect it, if I chuck the camera in a backpack or regular bag.

Canon also please release the imagePROGRAF PRO-1000 printer here in Japan.
I hope it can print border-less business card stock. If it does it will be the best printer ever.

Looks like I'm gonna be spending a lot of money soon.

Hopefully having everyone buy these type of products is gonna pull Japan out of the recession too ^^

 

[Ozarker]

You guys crack me up. Go rent a 70D.

Why would I do that? I have a 5DMark III???? LOL!

...to test drive the flipscreen, silly.

Forget the sensor size for a minute: wouldn't it be nice to shoot handheld six inches off the ground without needing to lie down and get dirty or wet? You can preview what that would be like with a 70D rental, that's all he's saying.

- A

Oh...(poking fun here)....I use my Olympus OM-D EM-5 Mark II when I get down and dirty with my flippy screen. Can shoot 40mp, too!

Haha! I have a 5D mark III too. The only thing that could make it better for me at this point in my shooting skill is an articulating touch screen. I'm an old man and the screen makes things so much easier. Better than blowing out my knees for sure.

 

[Famateur]

if it has an articulating screen this is the end of my 5d saga...

And the beginning of mine.

Otherwise I keep using my 70D until I find out if there will be a 6DII with an articulating touch screen...

 

[verysimplejason]

I registered JUST to say this:

For all you people who think tillable and/or articulating screens are delicate or weaken a body, all I have to say is you must have very limited shooting experience.

- There has been no evidence of articulating screens being the source of numerous returns, warranty claims, or malfunctions.

- The usefulness of an articulating screen is incredible. Being able to shoot easily from different levels without having to contort your body into weird positions is a godsend, and if you think it's only when you shoot macro, again, I have to wonder what kind of shooting you do. And no, a 90 degree viewfinder won't help you when you're holding your camera above your head or dropping it close/on the ground. And have you ever tried to shoot yourself in a group? Do you know how much easier it is to flip a screen 180 degrees and get the framing right in real time?

- If you're worried about damage, you realize you can keep the screen locked in place, right? And that if it's an articulating screen, you can actually protect the screen even more by having it face the inside?

These arguments against tilting and articulating screens are tiring.

Here, here - a compelling first post.

So true. I've been in-love of my wife's G11 due to its articulating screen. I frame better when using the articulating screen while doing macro. I also hate crawling or lying in the ground just to get a shot.

 

[scyrene]

Pretty dumfounded by the lack of excitement for this feature and the antiquated views of this forum.

Dumbfounding that your personal views of what constitutes a useful or desirable feature are not universally shared? I suggest you get over it.

Of corse these things can be solved by using various gear like tripods etc but I don't like using them, they are cumbersome and IMO a lot of the time hinder creativity because it takes so much longer to set up.

Interesting. Perhaps the creativity of my long exposure blue hour shots and panoramas is hindered by taking the time to set up a tripod...but I doubt it. :

In fairness Neuro, I don't think it's the opposition to certain features so much as the basis of that opposition - opponents don't seem to have any good reason or evidence to object to the addition of features that they can just choose to disable/ignore (sounds rather like people who resent their DSLR having video functionality).

Disclosure: I happen to be neutral on the subject of flip screens, as I've never used one and not felt like I needed one (but as I get older, could imagine kneeling and squatting and crouching to photograph macro subject especially would be helped by one); the EOS-M touchscreen is good, and I'd have nothing against them adding that functionality, but again it doesn't bother me either way.

...but I DO resent my DSLR having video functionality...!!!!!! I always have!!!!! :-X
If you need video...please see below! LOL!~ (I say this tongue & cheek...my DSLR would be much cheaper and not have functions that I NEVER use..but I realize that I am in the minority and will not be able to fight the market...although...Salmon do swim upstream to spawn, now don't they ).

Indeed they do. I believe most of the salmon die up there

 

[sunnyVan]

I think WiFi functionality would be enough to address low angle shooting. I'd take Wifi over flip screen.

Disclaimer: I acknowledge that each will have his/her own preference, and that my opinion is just that.

Having used both WiFi with EOS remote and articulating touch screen extensively, I would take the articulating touch screen any day of the week over WiFi control via tablet/phone. WiFi with EOS remote has its uses and is appreciated, but it is simply too cumbersome, awkward and tedious to be practical (let alone enjoyable) in most of my shooting situations. It just doesn't even come close.

It you're shooting landscape or architecture or things that don't move, or animals you can't get close to, and you have enough time, and you have enough hands (or brackets?), WiFi and EOS remote will work. For most anything else, I just can't be bothered with:

1. Turning on WiFi ('cause leaving it on all the time drains battery)
2. Launching EOS remote, connecting device.
3. Holding/looking-at remote device to compose while positioning camera/lens.
4. Dealing with the lag between what's happening and what you see on the remote device.
5. Having no free hand (or having to add the bulk of a bracket to have a free hand).
6. Remembering to turn WiFi off when done with the shot that needs it.
7. Rinsing/repeating when low/high/odd angle is needed again.
8. And a whole gaggle of other potential hassles...

Versus:

1. Flip-out the screen to desired orientation.
2. Press Live View button.
3. Touch to focus. Immediately.
4. Take the shot(s).
5. Close the screen.

The articulating touch screen is simply a joy to use.

Just my opinion...

I don't disagree with your point that wifi is cumbersome to use. I just wanted to point out that the chance of canon putting a flip screen on a 5d seems remote to me unless nikon does it first. If nikon puts one on the next d800 series canon may follow. Wifi seems to me to be more plausible to show up on the 5d series. At least it's not going to get polarizing responses. And wifi functionality like you said is good enough for some situations.

If canon surprises me by adding a flip screen on a 5d, i certainly welcome it. Used it plenty of times when i had a m3 and a sony a7.

 

[sunnyVan]

Wow guys. 9 Pages of posts about a CR1. Sweet ;D :

Lol. I don't get why people get emotional about a flip screen either. Not going to be a critical deciding factor for my purchase. If it's there I'll use it. If it's not there I'll make do.

 

[ahsanford]

I don't disagree with your point that wifi is cumbersome to use. I just wanted to point out that the chance of canon putting a flip screen on a 5d seems remote to me unless nikon does it first. If nikon puts one on the next d800 series canon may follow. Wifi seems to me to be more plausible to show up on the 5d series. At least it's not going to get polarizing responses. And wifi functionality like you said is good enough for some situations.

If canon surprises me by adding a flip screen on a 5d, i certainly welcome it. Used it plenty of times when i had a m3 and a sony a7.

That would imply that the 5D3 (and 5D4) are in the same market segment as the D810. It's not such a simple market lineup any more:

Nikon:

D610 = good
D750 = better
D810 = best (surely a D820 or D900 with that A7R II sensor is coming)

Canon:

6D --> 6D2 = good
5D3 --> 5D4 = all-around workhorse
5DS = good all-around camera, but it shines in a studio or on a tripod

So they don't line up 1 for 1 like things did years ago.

- A

 

[Loswr]

And have you ever tried to shoot yourself in a group? Do you know how much easier it is to flip a screen 180 degrees and get the framing right in real time?

Hey Eldar - I bet you're wishing for a flippy screen in the 1D X II right about now!! ;D ;D

 

[scyrene]

I would have to think Canon's efforts are best spent on making the sharpest pictures (IQ, low light, sensor, ISO) possible and leave the gimmicks to the lower tiered series (7 and 6). I cannot imagine many wedding photographers needing to shoot too many pictures from the hip and not look through the viewfinder.

It needn't be either/or - you think adding a different kind of screen means they don't have the resources to address other issues? Really?

And why is it a gimmick? Needlessly snobbish view.

I would say it is not a feature germane to taking a good picture. Many arguments are made for a good sensor to capture light. A flip screen is not an essential part of that equation. One individual did say it makes a difference in close quarters. OK, agree there, but that might be the exception rather than what a majority of photographers might use their systems for.

In my opinion, its light, focus, and composure. Flip screen could help with the latter of the three, but as I have a basic outlook of photography, it is (for me) about the aforementioned three points. A desire for a product to have certain features is one of a personal nature and I have never disparaged those who want over 50 megs for each landscape shot; those who want something to shoot 15 FPS; nor those who want useable prints with ISO setting above 4000. To each their own as we all hypothesize about what is the box labeled "5D4" or "1DX M2". To make it personal by suggesting my views are "snobbish" is unwarranted.

Calling it a gimmick is the snobbish bit. I'm not here to have arguments, and as I said above, I'm actually entirely neutral on this particular subject, but dismissing features that you personally don't care for in those terms is exactly that.

Reducing photography to three elements may be useful when learning or teaching technique, but isn't exactly illuminating when it comes to discussions of technical minutiae of future cameras. Since all modern cameras have the ability to expose and focus, and composition is a matter for the user, it's not really relevant. As I've tried to nod towards, and others have said, these features - if implemented soundly - won't compromise your current technique at all. You can ignore them or disable them. You might find them useful in fact. But they aren't taking resources from other areas of development, and they aren't hurting anyone's photography.

In actual fact I'd be surprised to see a mobile screen on the 5D4. A touchscreen I think is much more likely - I was surprised they didn't introduce it in other models, like the 7D2.

 

[scyrene]

And have you ever tried to shoot yourself in a group? Do you know how much easier it is to flip a screen 180 degrees and get the framing right in real time?

Hey Eldar - I bet you're wishing for a flippy screen in the 1D X II right about now!! ;D ;D

Oh my ;D

I thought if you looked directly at it, you turned into a lump of fluorite?

 

[ahsanford]

And have you ever tried to shoot yourself in a group? Do you know how much easier it is to flip a screen 180 degrees and get the framing right in real time?

Hey Eldar - I bet you're wishing for a flippy screen in the 1D X II right about now!! ;D ;D

If your selfie-stick needs a gimbal...

- A

 

[IVS]

Reading all the pro and con arguments , Canon might consider a 5Dmk4 and a 5Dmk4SW.
That would feed the goat and yet, remain with some cabbage . Word

 

[infared]

Pretty dumfounded by the lack of excitement for this feature and the antiquated views of this forum.

Dumbfounding that your personal views of what constitutes a useful or desirable feature are not universally shared? I suggest you get over it.

Of corse these things can be solved by using various gear like tripods etc but I don't like using them, they are cumbersome and IMO a lot of the time hinder creativity because it takes so much longer to set up.

Interesting. Perhaps the creativity of my long exposure blue hour shots and panoramas is hindered by taking the time to set up a tripod...but I doubt it. :

In fairness Neuro, I don't think it's the opposition to certain features so much as the basis of that opposition - opponents don't seem to have any good reason or evidence to object to the addition of features that they can just choose to disable/ignore (sounds rather like people who resent their DSLR having video functionality).

Disclosure: I happen to be neutral on the subject of flip screens, as I've never used one and not felt like I needed one (but as I get older, could imagine kneeling and squatting and crouching to photograph macro subject especially would be helped by one); the EOS-M touchscreen is good, and I'd have nothing against them adding that functionality, but again it doesn't bother me either way.

...but I DO resent my DSLR having video functionality...!!!!!! I always have!!!!! :-X
If you need video...please see below! LOL!~ (I say this tongue & cheek...my DSLR would be much cheaper and not have functions that I NEVER use..but I realize that I am in the minority and will not be able to fight the market...although...Salmon do swim upstream to spawn, now don't they ).

Indeed they do. I believe most of the salmon die up there

Hmmmm..I was going to use my lone-wolf strategy untill my buddy informed me that healthy wolves run and hunt in packs...they break off and go "lone" when they are ready to die.
OK...let me re-think this.
I still would like to be able to purchase a camera built to be used just for stills...it would be less expensive and perhaps smaller and faster. ...but if I had to ask the people on this page what the features should be, we may be here in development forever! LOL!

 

[scyrene]

Hmmmm..I was going to use my lone-wolf strategy untill my buddy informed me that healthy wolves run and hunt in packs...they break off and go "lone" when they are ready to die.
OK...let me re-think this.
I still would like to be able to purchase a camera built to be used just for stills...it would be less expensive and perhaps smaller and faster. ...but if I had to ask the people on this page what the features should be, we may be here in development forever! LOL!

Haha! Yeah, lone wolf is an odd phrase when you think about it. Anyway, there's been pages and pages of discussion elsewhere on this - the idea it would be cheaper is at best not proven. Lighter? Well, what about video capability weighs anything? And faster? No idea. But this is to derail an already absurdly obtuse discussion as it is

 

[Famateur]

I think WiFi functionality would be enough to address low angle shooting. I'd take Wifi over flip screen.

Disclaimer: I acknowledge that each will have his/her own preference, and that my opinion is just that.

Having used both WiFi with EOS remote and articulating touch screen extensively, I would take the articulating touch screen any day of the week over WiFi control via tablet/phone. WiFi with EOS remote has its uses and is appreciated, but it is simply too cumbersome, awkward and tedious to be practical (let alone enjoyable) in most of my shooting situations. It just doesn't even come close.

It you're shooting landscape or architecture or things that don't move, or animals you can't get close to, and you have enough time, and you have enough hands (or brackets?), WiFi and EOS remote will work. For most anything else, I just can't be bothered with:

1. Turning on WiFi ('cause leaving it on all the time drains battery)
2. Launching EOS remote, connecting device.
3. Holding/looking-at remote device to compose while positioning camera/lens.
4. Dealing with the lag between what's happening and what you see on the remote device.
5. Having no free hand (or having to add the bulk of a bracket to have a free hand).
6. Remembering to turn WiFi off when done with the shot that needs it.
7. Rinsing/repeating when low/high/odd angle is needed again.
8. And a whole gaggle of other potential hassles...

Versus:

1. Flip-out the screen to desired orientation.
2. Press Live View button.
3. Touch to focus. Immediately.
4. Take the shot(s).
5. Close the screen.

The articulating touch screen is simply a joy to use.

Just my opinion...

I don't disagree with your point that wifi is cumbersome to use. I just wanted to point out that the chance of canon putting a flip screen on a 5d seems remote to me unless nikon does it first. If nikon puts one on the next d800 series canon may follow. Wifi seems to me to be more plausible to show up on the 5d series. At least it's not going to get polarizing responses. And wifi functionality like you said is good enough for some situations.

If canon surprises me by adding a flip screen on a 5d, i certainly welcome it. Used it plenty of times when i had a m3 and a sony a7.

Fair enough.

I tend to agree that it might be unlikely for the 5D series to get an articulating screen. While I'm not sure that Canon's decision will be influenced by Nikon, I admit I was thrilled at that (albeit possibly remote) possibility when the D750 launched with fully articulating screen.

One possibility (that is probably also unlikely) is Canon pairing the articulating touch screen with DPAF and 4K to cater to the DSLR video crowd that hopes Canon returns to the 5DII glory days. The Cinema line kinda rains on that dream parade, though...

To be accurate, Canon does not officially classify the 5D as "professional." That distinction is reserved for the 1D series. I can see the articulating touch screen (which is mature, robust and proven) being added to enhance the "all-around" placement of the 5D.

That said, if I were a betting man, I'd put my money on the 6DII (if there will be one) having the articulating touch screen...

Honestly, I just want a full-frame version of my 70D...with a wider (and rectangular) spread of AF points and exposure compensation for Auto ISO in manual mode.

 

[Famateur]

And have you ever tried to shoot yourself in a group? Do you know how much easier it is to flip a screen 180 degrees and get the framing right in real time?

Hey Eldar - I bet you're wishing for a flippy screen in the 1D X II right about now!! ;D ;D

If your selfie-stick needs a gimbal...

- A

The whole thread was worth it for this exchange. Thank you! ;D ;D

 

[YuengLinger]

Yep, the last resort of a photographer out of ideas is to get down on the ground for that incredibly unique low level shot.

And this is exactly the consumer flip screens are made for!

''Gimmick''? Is this word now considered a micro-aggression, but ''snobby'' is PC? Revealing...

I've never met an intelligent man without a good sense of humor.