Two More 5D Cameras Coming? [CR1]

[Canon Rumors]

A recycling of past rumors has made its way around again, this time talking about a direct replacement for the EOS 5D Mark III, as well as a cinema version for the 5D line.</p>
<p>First up, the Canon EOS 5Dc. <a href="http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/02/possible-canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-spec-talk-cr2/" target="_blank">These specs first appeared back in February</a>.</p>
<ul>
<li>18MP</li>
<li>61 point AF system</li>
<li>ISO 100-204.800</li>
<li>4k video (source says Canon has yet to define the frame rate)</li>
<li>Dual Pixel AF III</li>
<li>Many advanced video features</li>
<li>Features taken from Canon’s Cinema cameras</li>
</ul>
<p>Second up, the EOS 5D Mark IV. <a href="http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d4.html" target="_blank">This megapixel count first appeared in March</a>.</p>
<ul>
<li>28MP sensor</li>
<li>12fps</li>
<li>Dual Pixel AF III</li>
<li>New and more advanced AF system (compared to EOS 5D Mark III), apparently it will not be the same AF as the 5D Mark IVc</li>
<li>Anti-flickr technology (seen first on the EOS 7D Mark II)</li>
<li>Crop mode (featured on the EOS 5Ds)</li>
<li>ISO 100-204.800 (expandable to 409.600)</li>
</ul>
<p>Before the EOS 5DS & EOS 5DS R launch, we had heard there would be 3 cameras carrying the “5D” moniker, and we assumed the EOS 5DS “R” was one of the cameras. However, in the last few months, there has been talk that the EOS-1D C would be replaced by a 5D style cinema DSLR camera. If the EOS 5Dc rumor is true and it’s priced in the $3500 range like all of the “5D” cameras, that would make the XC10 & C100 Mark II tougher sells than they already are.</p>
<p>This is interesting to say the least, but we can’t confirm how likely this set of rumors is.</p>
<p>Source: [<a href="http://www.canonwatch.com/cw4-canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-coming-as-2-versions-5d-mark-iv-mark-ivc-28mp-vs-18mp/" target="_blank">CanonWatch</a>]</p>

 

[Big_Ant_TV_Media]

8) ???
so canon
is goin too dice up or (niche) up all there cameras
too please all these 4k video cry babies
instead putting a much as they can in 1 body smh
if thats not an APPLE business model then i dont know what is
hoping for 20-28mp
dual digic 6+ or 7
1080-4k video
10-12fps
SD and Cfast slots
and better dynamic range
and DPAF (dual pixel auto focus 3)
even cleaner images thru all the iso and better low-light

 

[IsaacImage]

Interesting what type of AF system it's going to be ?
And how different from 7d mk II

 

[Maximilian]

Nice time for nice rumors

Lets wait until the [CR2 to 3] specs appear...

 

[photonius]

8) ???
so canon
is goin too dice up or (niche) up all there cameras
too please all these 4k video cry babies
instead putting a much as they can in 1 body smh
if thats not an APPLE business model then i dont know what is
hoping for 20-28mp
dual digic 6+ or 7
1080-4k video
10-12fps
SD and Cfast slots
and better dynamic range
and DPAF (dual pixel auto focus 3)
even cleaner images thru all the iso and better low-light

I think it's rather technological limitations/trade-offs which forces them down this route.

 

[CTJohn]

My head is spinning with all the "5D" models. Sounds like car companies.

 

[K-amps]

Canon watch write up suggests the c version gets the 15 stop DR. If so and they don't give landscapers / 5div the requested mp + dr then my patience will finally run out..... I thought the new 5d3 replacement would be a 810 slayer....

 

[johntorcasio]

If these are the correct spec's for the 5D IV , Then i can't wait to see what Canon have for the 1DX replacement??

 

[K-amps]

My head is spinning with all the "5D" models. Sounds like car companies.

+1. Their mkt department is driving the 5d badge into brand fatigue..... They are losing it. Don't they have other numbers to use?

 

[sanj]

If these are the correct spec's for the 5D IV , Then i can't wait to see what Canon have for the 1DX replacement??

Absolutely.

 

[InterMurph]

too please all these 4k video cry babies

I guess I'm one of those crybabies.

Frankly, the "I don't do video, therefore nobody should care, and therefore Canon shouldn't care" crowd has won the day. Canon hasn't advanced the quality of its DSLR video since the 5D2 in 2008. Canon has effectively abandoned the video users; you have won.

But I do both stills and video. Until recently, I used a pair of 5D Mark IIIs for both. I recently bought a pair of Sony A7s cameras for video, and I couldn't be happier. The image quality is miles ahead of the 5D3; the Sonys are much sharper, and can effectively see in the dark. The results are stunning.

The attached image is a frame from a video I took of a poorly-lit school play. I had the A7s on auto-ISO (another miracle), so I don't know exactly what the ISO setting was. But when I took stills of another performance, I was at ISO 5000 to 8000.

It would be great if the 5D4 had comparable video quality. That would allow me to use a single camera for stills & video, and it would allow me to ditch the Metabones adapters for my Canon lenses. I really hope for a 5D variant that can compete with the A7s.

But if you don't care about video, please just ignore the video-focused cameras that may or may not come. Canon is taking care of you, I promise.

 

[K-amps]

It's also interesting that CR guy giving this a CR1, and canon watch gives it cw4. Which is closer to our 2.5

 

[FTb-n]

12 FPS and ISO 204,800 -- 2 stops higher than the 1Dx? I can't see Canon introducing this while they still have the 1Dx in stock and before the 1Dx Mark II is out.

Also, with 5d3 prices dropping closer to $2,000, I've got to wonder if the 6D Mark II while inherit current 5D3 specs?

 

[tss68nl]

12 FPS and ISO 204,800 -- 2 stops higher than the 1Dx? I can't see Canon introducing this while they still have the 1Dx in stock and before the 1Dx Mark II is out.

Max ISO (native or expanded, you dont even know) doesn't say anything about the achieved image quality at that particular ISO. You can't draw any conclusions based on that.

It's good to see video and stills split into two camera's. I hope the prices can be competative due to leaving out functions that most of us don't need. Videographers don't care for stills technology, and vise versa. There are only very few percentage wise that want both. Seems Canon finally gets it.

 

[Takingshots]

I'm doing both video and stills (20%video/80%stills). I believe Sony is now leading with the A7s on video and small format. How soon will Sony come to bring up with one FF camera with a balance for both video and stills supremacy is only a matter of time. So Canon has to come up with something fast for this combo and not so bulky.. That is $$$$ question?

 

[mackguyver]

12 FPS and ISO 204,800 -- 2 stops higher than the 1Dx? I can't see Canon introducing this while they still have the 1Dx in stock and before the 1Dx Mark II is out.

I agree and if these are the specs, it makes you wonder if this is actually a new 1D body, but without the battery grip. In those interviews with the 1D series engineer last year, he said that the ideal 1D camera would be in this body style. Either that, or they will announce the 1D ___ at the same time and it will have some crazy fast frame rate and top ISO.

 

[bluemoon]

12 FPS and ISO 204,800 -- 2 stops higher than the 1Dx? I can't see Canon introducing this while they still have the 1Dx in stock and before the 1Dx Mark II is out.

I agree and if these are the specs, it makes you wonder if this is actually a new 1D body, but without the battery grip. In those interviews with the 1D series engineer last year, he said that the ideal 1D camera would be in this body style. Either that, or they will announce the 1D ___ at the same time and it will have some crazy fast frame rate and top ISO.

like this?
http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/01/global-shutter-coming-to-canon-dslrs-cr1/

pierre

 

[gsealy]

Hmmm. . . I doubt if I buy either one of those cameras if the specs are correct. If I want something that only shoots video, then I will go with a cinema camera that has complete video features. If I want something that only shoots stills, then I would go to the 5DSR as it would offer the greatest resolution (I have no need for a high frame rate or real high ISO). I was expecting basically an improved 5DIII offering that would provide the ability to do both 4K video and stills. I like versatility. All of this says to me, "Keep my money and wait. There is no need to go to 4K just yet, and the pictures I take with my 5DIII are just fine."

 

[Respinder]

8) ???
so canon
is goin too dice up or (niche) up all there cameras
too please all these 4k video cry babies
instead putting a much as they can in 1 body smh
if thats not an APPLE business model then i dont know what is
hoping for 20-28mp
dual digic 6+ or 7
1080-4k video
10-12fps
SD and Cfast slots
and better dynamic range
and DPAF (dual pixel auto focus 3)
even cleaner images thru all the iso and better low-light

Not sure what you mean by the "Apple" comment - Apple has been so successful because they minimize the amount of SKU's they have in the market - think about the iPhone and how many model types they have (currently the newest 6 and 6 Plus which is the same as the 6, just a larger size) - now compare that to Samsung, Blackberry and other companies who have dozens of different SKUs which just confuse the consumer.

That said, I think Canon is making a terrible mistake here by subdividing the 5 moniker into a series of cameras. There still is no camera between the 1 and the 5 series - wouldn't it make more sense to release a dedicated series of camera called the 3C - keep it video oriented but give it enough specs that it will satisfy the photographer as well. Of course, calling it the 3C would also eliminate the need for Canon to make this a three-dimensional (3D) camera.

It is pretty clear that from recent products - particularly the iPhone (phone, camera and music) - that consumers prefer a convergence option as opposed to different products that do specific things.

 

[InterMurph]

There is no need to go to 4K just yet

There is no need, but there is a huge advantage.

I just shot a school play with two A7s cameras. I set one for a very wide shot of the stage and more, and I operated the other for closeups. I recorded the wide shot in 4K on an Atomos Shogun monitor/recorder, which allows me to crop and pan as necessary. When I need to see the entire stage, I crop a tiny bit. When I need a closer shot, I crop more.

The results are fantastic, and something you just can't do properly without 4K.