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In retrospect, it seems really unlikely that Canon would unnecessarily add ~75mm to the length. If the diameter is already the same, I would not expect that to change.
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It really depends on the usage, I’ll admit that. I will also admit that I don’t specifically want the sensor of the R3, it’s just that its feature set checks all the boxes.Understood!
As I posted above, I don't see any of the problems you two named with the Mk II. And I do a lot of high speed shutter shooting with dragonflies and birds.
About anti-flicker, I cannot tell, that it is limiting me.
For me, just the sensor wouldn't be enough to make a Mk III. And the sensor was already there, when the Mk II was released.
If it won't be a Mk III feel free to get the Mk II with good discounts right now
First of all, let me say that I enjoy shooting silently, and shutter vibration free.
Then, there’s motosports photography, that I do sometimes and, because it involves both subject and camera movement, is very prone to rolling shutter.
Then, 14 bit RAW with electronic shutter.
Then, flash with electronic shutter.
Then, high frequency anti-flicker would be amazing for live concerts, where even the mechanical shutter will suffer with banding from the LED lights, on high shutter speeds.
I currently shoot mostly with electronic shutter, on my R6 (the original), but I have to be mindful of when to change to the mechanical.
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The HF anti-flicker on my R8 works very well, but enabling it in auto mode is the usual multi-step process that is 3 menu levels deep. It also doesn't handle multiple frequencies, so LED lights combined with LED signage and halogen lights will still give you troubles.
But it worked extremely well for taking pictures of my kids at home during winter
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Sounds reasonable! Let's hope you're right!
Maybe they're even going to be able to make it shorter and lighter. Shrinking their optical formula while retaining or improving the lenses' image quality should be possible five years after the launch of the RF15-35 f/2.8 L IS USM especially if you look at the advancements in regards to size and weight from other manufacturers. I'm still extremely impressed by how incredibly sharp the Sony 16-35 f/2.8 GM II is. Its image quality is arguably better than that of the RF15-35 but the Sony only weighs 547g and is a lot more compact. I prefer Canon bodies but I'm kinda jealous of Sony shooters who have access to this lens.
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@ahsanford’s last post is from november 2022, so I guess he gave up waiting
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@ahsanford’s last post is from november 2022, so I guess he gave up waiting
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There is just no way that the entry level R8 will ever get the R3 stacked sensor. Not happening...
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I´m betting more than ever on a soon to be released R6mkiii.
- it sells in great volumes, refreshes happen earlier
- Nikon is about to release Z6mkiii --> follow suit
- I´d bet the R6mkiii and R5mkii will share a joint BG again. Since the R5mkii will have some kind of new battery, the R6mkiii will get it as well
- the RF 35mm F1.4 release... Canon is probably interested in getting cameras out asap which can make use of the aperture ring for photography. Since there will probably be a lot of wedding/ portrait photographers using a R6/ 35mm F1.4 combo, they need the camera.
- There will be more F1.4 primes from the new "hybrid family" coming --> need for R6mkiii
- all these crazy rebates on the R6mkii
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- Early refreshes have become the exception rather than the rule
- I doubt Canon really cares
- Perhaps the only R5II grip will be the video cooling one, not needed for the 6-series; it would not surprise me if the R6III (whenever it arrives) is not able to take a battery grip (I would have been surprised before the R7, not now)
- Not sure many people care about the aperture ring for stills, there's a reason the control ring has click-stops (tactile feedback) unless you pay Canon to remove that
- Those f/1.4 primes will work with the R6II just fine
- Repeating a recent logical comment from another member (@Dragon): Canon financial presentation suggested higher camera sales and lower margins, meaning the crazy rebates are baked in; may also be that they were planning for a 2Q sales boost fro the R5II launch and that was delayed, so they need to shore up revenues; either way, doesn't mean an R6III is imminent
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It's been said on the forum here that canon has aimed for a 7-8 lens per year clip.
So, we've got the 35. Presumably adding 24, 50, and 70-200 this year, brings it to 4.
The 200-500 has been rumored for a while, but if you throw that in with a 15-35 remake and 1-2 tilt shift lenses, that's already 7-8 for the year and not a single non-L or aps-c lens. Interesting. Though I'd guess (and hope) that we're still in for some surprise announcements later this year.
So, we've got the 35. Presumably adding 24, 50, and 70-200 this year, brings it to 4.
The 200-500 has been rumored for a while, but if you throw that in with a 15-35 remake and 1-2 tilt shift lenses, that's already 7-8 for the year and not a single non-L or aps-c lens. Interesting. Though I'd guess (and hope) that we're still in for some surprise announcements later this year.
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With what changes in the spec list?
Just the R3 sensor?
Meh! that's not enough. The sensor was there when R6 Mk II was released.
Some AF tweaks?
Not befor they trickle in from the R1 to the R5 Mk II.
Some FPS more and some other "speed boosters" from the R3 sensor?
Anti flicker, etc.?
IMO not enough to justify a Mk III.
I am not against a Mk III just because I have the Mk II.
I see no benefit for Canon in the actual market to justify a Mk III.
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Nikon Z6 was released in 2018, refreshed in 2020 and now already gets the mkiii... which apparently was a lot later than intended... R6 is kind on the same track 2020 - 2022 - 2025 makes a lot of sense.
They care about sales, being no 1 and making money. If reaching any of these goals "forces" them to make a R6mkiii, they will.
The R5 got two BG´s... BG-WFT-R10 and the BG-R10. Maybe this time they'll have the cooling one and a shared one again.
They care because otherwise they would not have explicitly stated that "cameras released before may 2024 are not able to use the aperture for stills photography". In other words: the new cameras will be able to use it ergo Canon has spent time and money finding a solution. Canon would do that if their market research would have shown that people don't care.
They will work fine, no doubt about it. But spending 2k on a camera and 1.5 k on lens and then having physical features present you can't use will just generate bad press. Honestly, even if you don´t use it, it just feels kind of shitty... For example: Having features present in your car you can´t use just doesn't feel right...
Sure, it doesn't have to be a sign. But the rebates on the R6 also started right before the (for many) surprising release of the R6mkii.
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Nikon has to gain market share they lost.
Just because Nikon "panics" (I exaggerate) Canon has no urge to follow.
They can keep the pace they need/think is right for them.
Disclaimer:
Maybe you are right, and I am wrong about a R6 Mk III.
But I am just trying to see things from a Canon perspective.
Not from a consumer perspective, who wants to get the latest of it all.
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I can say based on my experience that my RF 600 f/4 out resolves my RF 100-500 on my R5s and my R7.
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The R3 sensor would be a huge upgrade imho and a lot of people were sad/ upset that the R6mkii didn't get it.
R3 sensor, new AI features for AF/ video
compatibility with aperture ring
compatibility with a new BG and battery
increased battery life
Of course, they could also up EVF resolution and refresh rate... some video features... give it high-IBIS feature...
There are a lot of things they "could" improve if they wanted. Does mean they have to do.
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As I said, "Maybe you are right"
But as I said, too:
The R6 Mk II sensor is at least par or even better than the R3 one in some points.
I don't have data that the "speed" of the R3 sensor is so much better.
I only have my RL experience that the R6 Mk II is not limiting me in my shooting.
I prefer better IQ, DR and resolution over some "speed" features I didn't recognize to be limiting.
Do you have evidence? I really like to see...
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My point was they aren't really trying to compete with Nikon. Canon has 3x the market share. Nikon has just barely shut off their user hemorrhage. Will you next suggest they should compete with Fuji? Leica?
It really puzzles me when people argue that Sony released this or Nikon released that so Canon has to respond. There's no real reason for them do do so. Conversely, if Canon releases something, it's often in Sony and Nikon's best interest to release something different. It's hard to fight the 800-lb gorilla for the bamboo he's eating.
One can hope. I was very surprised the R7 had no grip option. Nor does the R8 (at least, one that takes a battery).
Did they explicitly say it would work with future cameras, or did they just say it doesn't work with current ones?
Dug out a quote from the DPR post on the announcement of the RF 24-105/2.8 Z: "Notably, the aperture ring won't work for still photography on any current EOS camera bodies but, we're told, will do so on new models launching in 2024 or later." Ok, so it sounds like it will. This year...or next year...or in 2028.
Tell that to the R5 C owners who shoot stills and would like to use the EL-5 or the EL-10. Tell that to R100 users who want to use an RF extender or the 85/1.2 DS (heck, there may even be one or two
).There have been big price drops on the R8 and R50, as well. So those will be replaced soon, right?
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Being stacked makes a difference not only for readout speed, but also for EVF feeding, it's a way to get real "realtime EVF" while shooting in ES. This is something you will notice while shooting with a stacked sensor, and can make a big difference for action. With the stacked sensor, the "fps" of the EVF while shooting will be similar to its refresh rate. If you are shooting with a non-stacked sensor camera, the "fps" will be the framerate you are currently shooting at. If you play games, shooting in ES with a non-stacked sensor camera is like playing with a 120 Hz screen but with fps limited to 30~40, while shooting with a stacked sensor (even at 10~20 fps) is like playing with a 120 Hz screen and the corresponding 120 fps. It can make a hell of a difference for tracking unpredictable action. It is the kind of thing that you might not notice it's not ideal until you try something better.
Besides, the R3's sensor allows for 14 bit in ES, which has a considerable impact in DR for lower ISOs. And we do have the data of the speed, R3 allows around 5 ms at 14 bit, R6ii around 14 ms at 12 bit. While it is great the RS that the R6ii is at for a non-stacked sensor camera, 14 ms is still not enough for very fast action like ball sports and fast BiF.
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Do you have RL experience or test evidence?
I have at least RL experience, as I stated several times before.
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