neuroanatomist said:Dylan777 said:"The 5DIV costs more than the a7RIII, the 1DX II more than the a9" ==> I know you don't believe in Sony specs, both 7r III and A9(mirrorless) are much better cameras compared to 5D IV & 1DX II(DSLR) - from MP, AF points to fps. I strongly don't believe 5D and 1Dx are the main foods to keep Canon alive --- my crystal ball telling me is their budget models(rebels and cheap lenses).
I don't believe in Sony specs? What, do I think they're lying or something? However, it's true that I don't believe a spec list makes a better camera. Do you?
I have no doubt that Canon profits from both ends of their lineup, but I agree that the lower end generates more revenue for them. By the same token, Sony generates vastly more revenue from selling tiny sensors to smartphone manufacturers than from their ILC line.
Dylan777 said:" I guess the M-series is so far from decent that it only manages to outsell every other line of MILCs on the market (given that Canon has one line and is #2, whereas other makers have several MILC lines) " ==> you should be thanksful that mirrorless market are pressure Canon to release M5 & M6. Otherwise you would have shooting your M6 with an AF speed from M1.
The M and M2 are what put Canon into the #3 MILC position, and the M3 put them into #2. With only one line, it's clear that Canon has chosen to make only a limited investment in mirrorless so far. What pressure are you talking about?
Dylan777 said:"If careless is giving the market the right feature sets at the right price points such that the majority of ILC buyers choose a Canon ILC," ==> this is where Canon has an upper hand over other companies. They have much larger loyal customers willing to wait and buy Canon products, regardless, how behind they are. As long it has Canon logo on it, it's good as gold for them. Here an Exp: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=34133.0 , Yup it's in patent for Canon and hoping it will go into production. At same time, Sony A9 and others compact models are ready in their customer hands.
So it's your contention that people are mainly driven by brand loyalty and are willing to purchase inferior products just because of the logo on them? I'm sorry that your view of humanity is so cynical and dim. I believe people purchase the products that best meet their needs. But many on this forum seem to think their own personal needs represent the majority, and that's plain foolish.
Dylan777 said:"MILC sales have been flat for years and dSLRs still hold the solid majority of the market. " ==> I'm not good reading graph, maybe you can tell me??? Look at Oct numbers for 2017 in CIPA.
http://www.cipa.jp/stats/dc_e.html
I don't get your point here. The graph you attach shows exactly what I stated, MILC sales flat (and due to decreasing dSLR sales, MILC share is increasing, but still the minor fraction of ILCs). The Oct 2017 CIPA data show that dSLRs are 65% of the ILC market for October and the year to date. 65/35 is a solid majority.
"However, it's true that I don't believe a spec list makes a better camera. Do you?" ==> I do, because it helps my photography more enjoyable and more convenient( Eye-AF-Tracking no need to use joystick to focus on person eye, silent shooting 100% no sound, proper exposure, DOF in EVF etc...).
If spec list doesn't make camera better, why did you end up with 1Dx instead of 6d??? Do you truly believe that extra grip and extra weight from 1Dx helps you get more keepers at BIF/sports?
"The M and M2 are what put Canon into the #3 MILC position, and the M3 put them into #2" ===> the more you try to defend Canon the more I see your view more and more "cynical, dim and foolish". M1 with the price tag $799, was DOA(still remember that the $299 sale for M1?) and few later models didn't even show up in US(just Asia). And of course, you still brag about those products.
"I don't get your point here. The graph you attach shows exactly what I stated, MILC sales flat"==> yes, mirrorless is flat due to products have not yet matured - battery life, lack of native lenses and EVF etc.... At the same time, what do you see on DSLR market? It drops years by years, nearly 50%. Yes, ILC is getting smaller. Smartphones are getting better,better each years and it might have to do with that.
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