What will be the issue with the 6D

[verysimplejason]

I own a 60D and I actually prefer the 60D buttons (those beside the top LCD) compare to 7D buttons. One button, one function... clean and simple. ;D

Some people or companies think that computer mice with two buttons confuse people - for me I'd like more functions to be available next to the lcd, but it's hardly essential for me.

The thing I really like about the 60d layout is that I can do nearly everything with the right hand, and I'm ok with the multicontroller (I have never used a joystick camera body) - so if the 6d builds on this Rebel-type layout it might not be pr0 but it seems to work for a lot of people, including me.

Got a little bit of a hard time when I used my friends' 60D in a party but I'd say it's not that hard to get used to it. After around 30 mins, I got the hang of it. True, it's easy to control it with one hand just like my 500D and that's what I'm looking for when I get my first FF camera. I've used 5D2 but coming from 500D controls, I'd say it's a little bit harder for me to get accustomed to it since you need both of your hands.

 

[SJTstudios]

I own a 60D and I actually prefer the 60D buttons (those beside the top LCD) compare to 7D buttons. One button, one function... clean and simple. ;D

Some people or companies think that computer mice with two buttons confuse people - for me I'd like more functions to be available next to the lcd, but it's hardly essential for me.

The thing I really like about the 60d layout is that I can do nearly everything with the right hand, and I'm ok with the multicontroller (I have never used a joystick camera body) - so if the 6d builds on this Rebel-type layout it might not be pr0 but it seems to work for a lot of people, including me.

Got a little bit of a hard time when I used my friends' 60D in a party but I'd say it's not that hard to get used to it. After around 30 mins, I got the hang of it. True, it's easy to control it with one hand just like my 500D and that's what I'm looking for when I get my first FF camera. I've used 5D2 but coming from 500D controls, I'd say it's a little bit harder for me to get accustomed to it since you need both of your hands.

I guess canon's buttons are like a love/hate relationship

 

[Ryan708]

I like my 60D's controlls, although I did a bit of customization. I have the multicontroller set so that whatever spot on the 8-way D-pad I press selects that AF point, and the center SET button selects the center, and the button for zooming in preview (+) toggles all AF points. I can select any AF point with one button instantly.
I also like the "my menu" deal in the menu screens, I stuck all my commonly changed things in there, like flash controll, Max auto ISO, highlight tone priority, mirror lockup, AF-assist beam firing etc. etc. I also like having the "AF-ON" button disable AF while holding down, so I can MF my lens without switching it to MF

 

[7enderbender]

My guess is that it may well be another camera that nobody is buying.

 

[Marsu42]

My guess is that it may well be another camera that nobody is buying.

We could take bets ... my guess is that the 6d will be sold a lot because...

... a) the dust-collector d600 has problems, too (and much worse low-light af)

... b) the current 5d3 price is simply and subjectively too much money for a lot of people in comparison to a lens you can get for the difference (or do other meaningful things)

... c) If you want to shoot @iso1600+ with Canon ff is still the way to go, the 7d2 next year might very well trade in more mp for still more noise.

So if you don't want to us tracking a lot, don't need the advanced features and customization of the 5d3 I don't see much against it, well, except for the Canon-like price.

 

[RLPhoto]

No Multi-Selector

 

[Ryan708]

I have a feeling the 6D wont need any method to select a focus point other than center. focus/recompose is probably the name of the 6D game

 

[verysimplejason]

My guess is that it may well be another camera that nobody is buying.

Well, stock is gone so fast. Is that a camera that nobody's buying?

 

[shutterwideshut]

I had a chuckle at this tounge-in-cheek posting. The Canon 6D will be a fine camera, but it's biggest issue will be the Nikon D600. On paper, it looks better across most specs.

Nikon is always an issue for Canon. And Canon is always an issue with Nikon... ;D

;D ;D ;D

 

[Marsu42]

I have a feeling the 6D wont need any method to select a focus point other than center. focus/recompose is probably the name of the 6D game

That's why it's such a joke they added "orientation-selected af point" to the firmware :-o

But the outer af points might do, at least for non-critical shots which is (and supposedly was engineered to be) the difference to the "pro" 5d3. For handheld macro shots and the like with a thin dof where focus & recompose is no option multiple shots can be taken, just like with my 60d af which I also don't entirely trust.

 

[DanielW]

I have a feeling the 6D wont need any method to select a focus point other than center. focus/recompose is probably the name of the 6D game

That's why it's such a joke they added "orientation-selected af point" to the firmware :-o

But the outer af points might do, at least for non-critical shots which is (and supposedly was engineered to be) the difference to the "pro" 5d3. For handheld macro shots and the like with a thin dof where focus & recompose is no option multiple shots can be taken, just like with my 60d af which I also don't entirely trust.

I don't trust them either, except for the center AF point, which seems to work fine with my 50 f/1.4. It seems I went lucky on this one, and my 50 doesn't require AFMA (thank God, cause I don't have it on my 60D). The outer AF points are rather imprecise in my experience, which makes me a focus-recompose expert!
And although I'm familiar with the fact that by focussing and recomposing you could in fact lose focus because of such thin DoF sometimes, in practice it works just fine for me.

Added: for macro shots with an off-center subject I prefer to use live view, repositioning the small rectangle and at the same time hoping the butterfly won't go away in the meantime...

 

[sandymandy]

I have a feeling the 6D wont need any method to select a focus point other than center. focus/recompose is probably the name of the 6D game

Im using all focus points of my 1100D. I think you are exaggerating the situation a lot.

 

[cocopop05]

I had a chuckle at this tounge-in-cheek posting. The Canon 6D will be a fine camera, but it's biggest issue will be the Nikon D600. On paper, it looks better across most specs.

Nikon is always an issue for Canon. And Canon is always an issue with Nikon... ;D

;D ;D ;D

Of course, that is indeed true, though there have always been pro's and cons's when comparing image quality and AF specs with similar models from Canon and Nikon, and there usually is never a clear cut winner. This is the first ever time I have seen two specs that at least on paper the Nikon D600 seems clearly better than the Canon 6D. Having said that, I am going purely on specs and once both are available for testing, then it is possible that the D600 may not be a clear winner.

 

[Marsu42]

Im using all focus points of my 1100D. I think you are exaggerating the situation a lot.

But can you *rely* on them to get it right like a pro shooter has to, or do you just take another shot if the af has missed? Look at this: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/08/autofocus-reality-part-3b-canon-cameras

This is the first ever time I have seen two specs that at least on paper the Nikon D600 seems clearly better than the Canon 6D.

Look again - the d600 has worse low-light af than the 6d. Canon may be greedy, but they aren't dumb and have probably isolated the one spec they can best Nikon in while cutting everything else back from the 5d3.

So if you need high iso not for fast shutter speeds (tracking & sports) but for low-light shooting, than an (actually "1") af that can keep up until -3 lv may be more important than a whole array of points that stop at -1 lv. I've read dpreview will do a af comparison 6d vs d600, it'll be interesting.

 

[tnargs]

I have a feeling the 6D wont need any method to select a focus point other than center. focus/recompose is probably the name of the 6D game

Im using all focus points of my 1100D. I think you are exaggerating the situation a lot.

yes I too am sure he is exaggerating, however, my experience is that the more focusing points the camera has, the more useless (prone to error) is the 'green square' focus mode.

 

[verysimplejason]

These photographers (using 5D2) have no issues with their AF either.

http://blogs.reuters.com/fullfocus/2012/11/30/best-photos-of-the-year-2012/#a=95

 

[Marsu42]

These photographers (using 5D2) have no issues with their AF either.

... but you never know how many shots they dumped because the af missed, phase af performance is not just about speed but also about precision and consistency.

 

[verysimplejason]

These photographers (using 5D2) have no issues with their AF either.

... but you never know how many shots they dumped because the af missed, phase af performance is not just about speed but also about precision and consistency.

My argument is that if these pros can live with a 5D2, surely they can also live with 6D better. If they had no issues with 5D2, they won't have any issues with 6D. As for the shots they dumped, I don't know but what I do know is that they got the shots that they wanted at the end of the day.

 

[Marsu42]

I don't know but what I do know is that they got the shots that they wanted at the end of the day.

But you don't know about the hundreds of pro photogs that never made it to the photo of the year contest because they had the scene of their life in front of them, their af missed, and then it was gone .. and the ranking doesn't compare camera used to scene type (static or action).

Maybe the high 5d2 percentage is because it's not as large as the 1d (mostly horizontal shots in the contest) and/or had good mp count (in 2007), and generally as a pro you are hesitant to change your gear. Plus the 5d2 is not that expensive (important for journalists in developing countries) and easier replaced when broken, two points that are also valid for the 6d.

 

[verysimplejason]

I don't know but what I do know is that they got the shots that they wanted at the end of the day.

But you don't know about the hundreds of pro photogs that never made it to the photo of the year contest because they had the scene of their life in front of them, their af missed, and then it was gone .. and the ranking doesn't compare camera used to scene type (static or action).

Maybe the high 5d2 percentage is because it's not as large as the 1d (mostly horizontal shots in the contest) and/or had good mp count (in 2007), and generally as a pro you are hesitant to change your gear. Plus the 5d2 is not that expensive (important for journalists in developing countries) and easier replaced when broken, two points that are also valid for the 6d.

As both of us don't know anything about those AF missed, both you and I don't have the figures to do so, let's just say that whatever 5D2 is capable, 6D is more than capable also. It's always the head behind the camera that's important. Sure, if you're not satisfied with AF of 6D, 5D3 and 1DX are always there to satisfy your requirements. As for 6D, I am sure that it is a professional camera all things considered.