What will happen to 5Dii prize when/if entry full frame (6D?) is announced?
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I was really hoping to see a lower priced Full Frame by September. I am beginning to have my doubts. With the 1DX and the 5D III selling well (dispite the price 
), plus the recent firmware upgrade to the 7D I'm afraid we may have to wait until next year for a 7D II, 70D or 3D. I got about $2,400 hundred but away now, and am socking away $150 a month so if they continue to "hold out" I will be in 5D III territory in the late Spring. I'm hitting the limits of my 50D (resolution, low light performance, focusing) so I'm looking to upgrade. Good camera but I do so want to upgrade. A 5D II is 4 year old technology and a 7D is 3 years old. I'll continue to be patient
), plus the recent firmware upgrade to the 7D I'm afraid we may have to wait until next year for a 7D II, 70D or 3D. I got about $2,400 hundred but away now, and am socking away $150 a month so if they continue to "hold out" I will be in 5D III territory in the late Spring. I'm hitting the limits of my 50D (resolution, low light performance, focusing) so I'm looking to upgrade. Good camera but I do so want to upgrade. A 5D II is 4 year old technology and a 7D is 3 years old. I'll continue to be patient
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I don't see that. If the new full-frame is announced at $2000, the 5dII price will plummet. If it's announced at $2500, then the 5dII price will stay the same. Remember, the 5dII is now retailing at $2200, so, they'll either discontinue it or have to drop that retail price when they announce a new version.Dylan777 said:
If no new version is announced at Photokina, then I think you'll see prices go lower a little bit. There will be some holiday sales, etc. Nothing major.
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Body prices have never gone up upon being replaced. It will go down. Everytime a model goes out, the price drops dramatically sometimes. Just look at the 1Ds2, 1Ds3 models. Now the interesting one is the 1D4, didn't drop much, but it still dropped.
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Big question is whether or not a 5DII will even be available if a new "entry-level" full frame is announced.
Look at what happened to the 580 EXII. New ones are almost impossible to find and the price has gone up well above what it was before the announcement of the 600 EX. I don't know if Canon bought back the old stock or what, but they seem to have done a pretty good job of scrubbing them from the market. (B&H seems to be about the only major retailer who still lists them in stock – if you want to pay more than what they cost at introduction.)
Granted, strobes are not cameras, but if I were sure I wanted a new 5DII, regardless of what the entry-level full frame camera might be like, I think I'd be shopping now. If you are not sure, you better resign yourself to accept that new 5DIIs could be impossible to find once a new full frame camera is announced. If you are willing to wait a year or more after the introduction of the mystery full framer and buy used, the price might go down. But then, you'll be buying technology that is at least five, and possibly six, years old at that point.
Look at what happened to the 580 EXII. New ones are almost impossible to find and the price has gone up well above what it was before the announcement of the 600 EX. I don't know if Canon bought back the old stock or what, but they seem to have done a pretty good job of scrubbing them from the market. (B&H seems to be about the only major retailer who still lists them in stock – if you want to pay more than what they cost at introduction.)
Granted, strobes are not cameras, but if I were sure I wanted a new 5DII, regardless of what the entry-level full frame camera might be like, I think I'd be shopping now. If you are not sure, you better resign yourself to accept that new 5DIIs could be impossible to find once a new full frame camera is announced. If you are willing to wait a year or more after the introduction of the mystery full framer and buy used, the price might go down. But then, you'll be buying technology that is at least five, and possibly six, years old at that point.
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I don't think the price can go any lower. If Canon launches a 2K FF camera, I'd assume they would immediately discontinue the 5DII. The result could then raise the 5DII's price from smaller dealers. Just look what happened to the 24-70L as soon as it was discontinued!
Also, what if Canon releases a 2K FF camera that has worse build quality than the 5DII & no changeable focusing screen?
Also, what if Canon releases a 2K FF camera that has worse build quality than the 5DII & no changeable focusing screen?
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pdirestajr said:
My guess is that the build quality will be very similar to the 5D2 since that does still put it below the 5D3.
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Lol. Please go to buy hundreds of 5D3, so you can sell them to make profit later.Dylan777 said:
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In the new market, yes, in the used market, not so much. That's one of things I think a lot of people are forgetting, there are a TON of 5dII's that were bought in the last year, and those people would probably upgrade to a better AF system if possible. There's also still the refurbished route, which Canon maintains on products they've discontinued like the T1i for example. I can get a refurb 580EX II for $339 +tax right now, and its $399+tax normally. I can't imagine the 5dII refurb disappearing from the Canon store, so, at worst, that price will stay the sameunfocused said:
And that is because there is no replacement. Simple supply and demand; a lot of people need the 24-70 in their kit, and its impossible to get a new one from an authorized dealer. If Canon completely killed off the 5dII (0 stock anywhere, no refurbs) and didn't deliver the 6D for a year, then yes, 5dII prices would go higher. But they'd all be used, and it'd be a different story. It'd be a secondary concern to the fact they'd have destroyed their reputation and lost a lot of photographers who bought Nikon insteadpdirestajr said:
Also, note that lenses hold their value much better, often rising in price over time. The same isn't true of camera bodies, where you are lucky to hold 50% of its value 5 years after its released.
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Price is likely to be same for now. There is a good chance that 5D2 will be discontinued if Canon releases "another" entry level FF camera.
For now, 5D2 is a perfect entry level FF with a very good sensor. All that Canon need to do is take 5D2, swap the AF system with the one from 7D, improve ergonomics a little bit, may be add pop-up flash and couple of new features and sell it with a price tag of $2500 or below. If Canon does that, than 5D2 will be discontinued.
For now, 5D2 is a perfect entry level FF with a very good sensor. All that Canon need to do is take 5D2, swap the AF system with the one from 7D, improve ergonomics a little bit, may be add pop-up flash and couple of new features and sell it with a price tag of $2500 or below. If Canon does that, than 5D2 will be discontinued.
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Who knows how long we gonna wait for the new FF body from Canon. Photokina is in about 3 weeks, Nikon discontinued their D700, they got more images of the D600, the middle of September release dates are floating around, so yeah... things are happening on the Dark Side. As for Canon.... well, I don't see anything more or less solid here... I'm not gonna be surprised if we see the new FF way after Nikon's announcement - closer to the end of the year. I hope I'm wrong - I need a new FF badly. As for MKII pricing - most likely the used market will be quite good, so i would look there...
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Can't say if there will be a new FF "entry camera".
Can say - the 5Dii is already all but discontinued. Canon's way is not "officially" retire a model until well after their own stocks have been depleted and then more time, to allow dealer's shelves to be depleted. They have always, with maybe one exception, done it that way.
As for a "6D", you wont see that number in Canon's nomenclature for a single digit camera. Never has happened since day one. Its always been 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, not necessarily in that order.
I think the long rumored 3D is getting more likely every day. Maybe we'll see that as the "killer" and the 5Diii move down some more. Thats another thing that Canon has done traditionally. I think they're at mid level bloat right now... low end should drop some more, mid level spread out a little and/or be trimmed.
Canon has had very predictable marketing - for the most part - its just what feature set they'll offer thats up to being questioned.
I can see them doing a 5Ds (or similar suffix other than "X"), as a lower end 5 series, but not a 6 series, or sensor upgraded 7 series. The niches Canon carves are carved deeper in stone - traditionally - than you might realize, unless you have followed the company since the late 60's.
Can say - the 5Dii is already all but discontinued. Canon's way is not "officially" retire a model until well after their own stocks have been depleted and then more time, to allow dealer's shelves to be depleted. They have always, with maybe one exception, done it that way.
As for a "6D", you wont see that number in Canon's nomenclature for a single digit camera. Never has happened since day one. Its always been 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, not necessarily in that order.
I think the long rumored 3D is getting more likely every day. Maybe we'll see that as the "killer" and the 5Diii move down some more. Thats another thing that Canon has done traditionally. I think they're at mid level bloat right now... low end should drop some more, mid level spread out a little and/or be trimmed.
Canon has had very predictable marketing - for the most part - its just what feature set they'll offer thats up to being questioned.
I can see them doing a 5Ds (or similar suffix other than "X"), as a lower end 5 series, but not a 6 series, or sensor upgraded 7 series. The niches Canon carves are carved deeper in stone - traditionally - than you might realize, unless you have followed the company since the late 60's.
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Hell the 5DIII is being sold for less than $3k all over the web, I'm surprised the Mark II price hasn't tanked more. But I've been seeing more and more being sold in the $1400-$1500 range used. Wondering if I should go ahead and get rid of mine or not...
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Axilrod said:
Really 5D3 less than 3k$? I havent seen that yet, maybe I dont look hard enough! I honestly can say I dont see a entry level full frame camera coming out. It would have to be just barely better than the 5D2 because I dont see the 5D3 as that much different than the 5D2. I know the ISO is better and its got a nicer screen with better ergonomics, faster FPS, better processor. I would put my money on something better than the 5D3 coming out, something with more megapixels and a considerable amount more. Thus like others have said here moving the 5D3 down a notch and 5D2 going away after some time. I just think that the 5D2 and 5D3 arent separated by a large enough gap to have another camera slammed in the middle of the two.
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