What's Next from Canon?

[mrzero]

The latest announcements from Canon aren’t exactly receiving a lot of positive feedback in my inbox. The G1 X with an EVF for $1000 seems to be irking a lot of people. For that price, the camera needs to be the absolute best in the segment, and I think that’s going to be a hard thing to achieve.

To a lot of people, the resources put into the G1 X II would have probably been better served by moving the EOS M into the mainstream. The M2 isn’t coming to North America, and I highly doubt a lot of G1 X II cameras are going to sell at the introduction price of $799. When the camera is $499, things will probably be different.

I don't know why you say this. The EOS M might have sold well in Asia from the beginning, but nobody in North America was that interested until it dropped to $300. It sold so poorly that Canon didn't even bother introducing the M2 or the 11-22 lens here. What exactly would "move it into the mainstream" -- other than bargain prices?

The G1X mark I followed the same path as every other product introduced by Canon since the introduction of MAP. It started out at a high price and moved lower over time. The G1X II is going to do the same thing. It is starting out at $799 and it will move cheaper. I don't think it will ever hit $499, except on the super sales and right before the G1X III is announced. The mark I was a very good camera. It still is. The Mark II looks like it will be a great camera.

Comparing these two lines is apples and oranges. I have the G1X because I want to grab an all-in-one, fixed lens, one-hand-operable camera with a big sensor and a decent lens, and a swivel screen. I don't want to buy into a second "system," or buy a camera that I can only use with my EF system lenses via an adapter. The nice thing about point-and-shoots is you don't have to buy into a system. Like Sony's offering better? just buy it and move on. If too many people do that, Canon will shift into a higher gear. If not, they won't.

Could Canon introduce the new/best stuff faster? Sure. Cheaper? Sure. But as long as we keep buying it, then they're going to keep up the same pace, internet complaining aside.

Oh, and I love the external EVF. It means I don't have to buy it. I'm glad the price of the G1XII doesn't include it, because I never wanted it to begin with. Optional. Don't like it? Great, save your money, and move on.

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

...sensor quality plays a very BIG role too. Canon has not been doing well in this last department for the past few years. Sigh...

I just don't understand comments like that. While Canon may be a bit slow on updating its APS-C sensors, I don't know how anyone can really criticize the 1D, 5D or 6D sensors. Canon customers ripped Canon for emphasizing megapixels over ISO performance, so Canon got conservative on the megapixels and produced sensors that outshine the competition in ISO performance.

Slightly, and only on higher ISO levels.

When it comes to base ISO (where most people shoot most of their photos), SoNikon completely destroys Canon's ancient sensors in terms of pure IQ and dynamic range. Canon hasn't even gotten rid of the dreadful shadow banding yet. Wtf?

Canon is only interesting for lenses now days. My EF-glass lives a happy life on my A7R. A tiny mirrorless camera that blows the 5D and 1DX out of the water. The difference in IQ is so big that I'll most likely never use my 5D3 again.

I would dispute that most people shoot at base ISO. I'd be willing to bet there are a hell of a lot more people who photograph some kind of action or shooting in low light, than there are people who photograph more still scenes. Even wedding photographers shoot at higher ISO settings, many of them even shoot at very high ISOs on purpose for that grain-like aesthetic in black and white. You have all the olympics shooters, sports shooters, street photographers, wildlife and bird photographers, concert and event shooters, air show and race shooters, the paparazzi, photo journalism is at high ISO as much as lower ISO, etc.

People who shoot at lower ISO? Landscape photographers, maybe macro photographers (although if your going for extreme macro with an MP-E 65 or extension tubes, your at least at ISO 400 if not 800 or more), studio photographers (however when it comes to studio photography, you have total control over light, shadow, and scene DR, so having more stops of DR isn't a necessity...it's simply a nicety.)

Oh, and, you have amateur photographers! However, amateurs shoot at low ISO all the time out of ignorance, not because they need to. Once an amateur becomes something else, the chances they will use higher ISOs more than lower ISOs greatly increases.

So, yeah. I STRONGLY dispute the notion that "most" photographers use base ISO. Far more things in the world involve action of some kind, in which case you are either full manual and explicitly choosing a higher ISO, or your using a priority mode and choosing your shutter speed in one way or another (leaving ISO on auto, in which case it will most certainly float above ISO 100 and 200 the majority of the time.)

thank you, was about to type out a long reply to this saying mostly the same stuff.

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

"Things haven’t been too exciting for Canon since the introduction of the very good EOS 6D".
Are you kidding me? I was really disappointed with the introduction of that camera as it has only one usable AF point (way behind the competition)

This is fairly false. In most lighting situations all points on the 6d are usable. Of course, the center is the most accurate. But, all points are usable to a certain light level. And the extra sensitivity of that center point can AF in situations the 5d3 can't. As others have said to me when I rant against the new sony FF mirrorless...have you ever used a 6d?

Also, what are we to expect? Canon isn't nikon, they aren't going to put out a rushed to market throwback body just to have something new on the market - we are in between product cycles (at least for FF offerings). Other than a big MP body (if that big MP body is it's own entity, not a product upgrade), we're excited to see new lenses that will rock on the next cycle of bodies (5d4, 1dx2, 6d2).

 

[Chuck Alaimo]

well when you know what your doing you try to keep your ISO as low as possible.

sure most consumers and soccer moms will not keep such a close eye on the ISO setting.

in my small home studio i always shoot at ISO 100.
i have plenty of light so why should i go higher.

when doing nature and wildlife i try too keep the ISO as low as possible.
i never use auto ISO.

only time when i use auto ISO is is when i do city traveling.
then light changes often so fast, inside outside, shadows of buildings etc. that auto ISO is a help.

Most shooters don't have studios - whether its in the home or not. Most shooters are shooting where they are shooting, if that happens to be when the sun is down, then your using a higher ISO.

As a wedding shooter, the day starts early. Sometimes it's in a salon where yeah, there's big windows and generally lots of light, so ISO's are under 1000. Then where do you go, either a hotel room or home, which will have a variety of light. do you have the time to set up lighting? Sometimes yes, sometimes no, you just have to work with what you got.

what's next? Off to the church. some churches are filled with light and yeah you can shoot in the 1600 range. But, if it's not a sunny day, then all that glorious light from the windows is lessened. Then you have the darker churches, or the ones with a big skylight but not many other windows. For ceremonies, ISO can vary wildly!!!!

Oh, then it's time for those fun family shots which most want done inside the church. Shooting groups you can't exactly be using f2.8, your bumping that aperture up to at leastr 5.6, more preferably f8.

then it's the fun stuff, and yeah for most of the bride and groom shots your using closer to base ISO. But for the bridal party, you may want f8 or higher so even in daylight you may be as high as ISO 1600.

then it's to the reception, and yeah, lighting can vary wildly there too. high ISO and off camera light, or just high iso depending on the scene your shooting is the name of the game.

To say most shoot at base ISO is just really a narrow view of what, when and where people are shooting....

 

[Loswr]

To say most shoot at base ISO is just really a narrow view of what, when and where people are shooting....

What: a black awning on a random building or a black barbecue with a QPcard on it
When: midday, in full sun
Where: somewhere in Sweden

A narrow view, indeed.

 

[tron]

To say most shoot at base ISO is just really a narrow view of what, when and where people are shooting....

What: a black awning on a random building or a black barbecue with a QPcard on it
When: midday, in full sun
Where: somewhere in Sweden

A narrow view, indeed.

Now neuro I admit that you come up with new ideas to make us laugh... ;D

 

[eirehotspur]

Re: My favourite line of this post

The Cinema EOS line will see a new camera or two for NAB in April, we’re told a lower cost 4K camera will be the star of the show.

 

[mackguyver]

I'm not sure what happened to the "Year of the Lens" but it's off to a slow start. The macro flash announcement seemed out of context, but as I keep saying, it's a Photokina year, so I think the goodies are all coming in September.

 

[tron]

I'm not sure what happened to the "Year of the Lens" but it's off to a slow start. The macro flash announcement seemed out of context, but as I keep saying, it's a Photokina year, so I think the goodies are all coming in September.

So their releases will come next year ;D But there is a CR3 that some year will be exiting, we just don't know which yet...

 

[mackguyver]

I'm not sure what happened to the "Year of the Lens" but it's off to a slow start. The macro flash announcement seemed out of context, but as I keep saying, it's a Photokina year, so I think the goodies are all coming in September.

So their releases will come next year ;D But there is a CR3 that some year will be exiting, we just don't know which yet...

Are you suggesting that Canon would announce a lens months (or years) before it's available? No, never happened. Ever. Really. I promise. Whatever they announce in September will surely be available the very next day, worldwide. Really. I'm not kidding.

 

[MichaelHodges]

I still have faith in these guys. I'd love to see a new 100-400, IS on the 400 5.6, and a 14-24.

 

[slclick]

I'm all giddy for the T6 in November!

seriously tho:

16-35 Mk2
100-400 Mk2
400 5.6 IS
50 IS
85 IS
135 IS
180 Macro Mk2

 

[tron]

I'm not sure what happened to the "Year of the Lens" but it's off to a slow start. The macro flash announcement seemed out of context, but as I keep saying, it's a Photokina year, so I think the goodies are all coming in September.

So their releases will come next year ;D But there is a CR3 that some year will be exiting, we just don't know which yet...

Are you suggesting that Canon would announce a lens months (or years) before it's available? No, never happened. Ever. Really. I promise. Whatever they announce in September will surely be available the very next day, worldwide. Really. I'm not kidding.

No, I suggest that if they announce something in Sept of year X it will be available year X+1.
So if X = 2014 then X+1 = 2015 => 2014 not exhiting ;D

In addition I name it X because we cannot be certain. X may be 2015, or 2016, or ...

 

[Loswr]

16-35 Mk2

I guess you missed the announcement of that one, it's been out for a few years.

 

[tron]

16-35 2.8 L III (especially since 2 months ago I sold my 16-35 2.8 L version I ...)

However, to tell the truth I do not expect it for the next 2 years...

 

[slclick]

16-35 Mk2

I guess you missed the announcement of that one, it's been out for a few years.

dang, miss a single character and the forums brainiac is all over you like fanboyz on a Nikon!


p.s. I should know, had one, sold it!

 

[mkabi]

I understand that, but I think it is largely mistaken - you can buy those other companies' products if they suit better. As I say, *unless* you're tied to a load of legacy lenses, flash guns, etc., there's nothing to tie you to one brand over another. And even if you are, you can use them on some other bodies, or sell them with not too big a loss.

True that theoretically "we" can just buy the other offerings or even "switch" completely. But ... in some ways Canon is the only game in town, either due to product availability or due to them making a specific product that the other manufacturers don't offer. For example, with micro-4/3 ... native telephoto lenses is non-existent (although Olympus has suggested a 300mm f/4 by 2015), so in this department Canon is the only option. Or ... apparently Canon has an excellent flash system (I wouldn't know, because I don't use flashes), which is unequaled by anybody else; so, if you're into flash photography, Canon has the best goods.

But in general, yeah, you're right. I've already decided on (possibly) going with Fujifilm for my sub-100mm work; and as soon as they offer an equivalent for my 70-200mm, then that goes over to Fujifilm as well; and as soon as Fujifilm offers a 300~500mm lens, it's bye-bye Canon.

But I'd really prefer not having to "rebuy" three lenses I already own and like very much, just because Canon doesn't offer what I want in a camera right now. That's my beef.

Out of curiosity, what kind of photography do you do, Sella?
From your previous posts, plus looking at your existing gear list... you can really benefit from getting anything that was released within the last 2 years (i.e. 70D, 6D, 5DIII or even the 1DX). Just saying...

My father in-law has a 5D Classic, and my cousin just got a 70D, and he was blown away by the IQ... he had a T1i before getting the 5D. After checking out the 70D, he plans on selling the 5D and getting a 6D.

The other thing is your lenses, you have nothing under f/2.5... perhaps a 85mm f/1.8???

 

[Niki]

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<p>The latest announcements from Canon aren’t exactly receiving a lot of positive feedback in my inbox. The G1 X with an EVF for $1000 seems to be irking a lot of people. For that price, the camera needs to be the absolute best in the segment, and I think that’s going to be a hard thing to achieve.</p>
<p>To a lot of people, the resources put into the G1 X II would have probably been better served by moving the EOS M into the mainstream. The M2 isn’t coming to North America, and I highly doubt a lot of G1 X II cameras are going to sell at the introduction price of $799. When the camera is $499, things will probably be different.</p>
<p>We’re told between March and August that Canon will start to announce products that make sense and will be popular.</p>
<p>The EOS 7D Mark II will finally be unveiled and should be in your eager hands by the fall of 2014. It will set a new benchmark in the APS-C segment.</p>
<p>A lot of new lenses are coming, the biggest being a replacement of the EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS. We’re told that could be announced as early as March, but availability will not be immediate.</p>
<p>A third DSLR will be announced in 2014, though we’re not sure what that will be.</p>
<p>The Cinema EOS line will see a new camera or two for NAB in April, we’re told a lower cost 4K camera will be the star of the show.</p>
<p>There will also be another few PowerShot cameras announced sometime between now and May. Included in that will be the replacement to the SX50 IS.</p>
<p>Things haven’t been too exciting for Canon since the introduction of the very good EOS 6D, but even that started with a whimper. We’re told to expect a lot of exciting products throughout 2014 and that the Canon customer will be happy with the direction of the company.</p>
<p>More to come….</p>
<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">c</span>r</strong></p>

sounds good to me

 

[Lee Jay]

When it comes to base ISO (where most people shoot most of their photos),....

?????

16.9% of my SLR shots are at base ISO, 3% fewer than are at ISO 1600.

 

[Lee Jay]

I'm curious if the successor to the SX-50 will have dual-pixel technologies and what the zoom will be.

Very unlikely. The pixels are too small to be divided in half, at least by Canon with their current fabrication technologies.