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What's so bad about HDR?

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anthonyd said:
As so many others said before me HDR (tonemapping) is just a technique. You can use it to keep more DR in your final, realistic result, you can use it to create a cartoonish/painting/ridiculous result, or you can flirt with the gray area in between.
Here is an example of the latter:


Anthony - I think that is a great shot and not too artificial. There are days or moments when the light can be almost that perfect - HDR just makes that moment "now".
 
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anthonyd said:
Here is an example of the latter:


I like this.. its obvious it's HDR but not overdone—in fact, I'd argue its probably MORE realistic (in terms of what your eye sees) than a photo with a blown out sky. But again... depends on what you're going for. I'd rather judge the execution of what someone is intending to do, rather than blindly judging the use of a technique.

RGF said:

Well I assume this thread won't reach enough comments to get 1001 votes on a contradicting opinion.... so I guess this means...

/thread

lol
 
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Hesbehindyou said:
Cannon Man said:
I haven't seen any HDR picture that looks anywhere near natural.

Really? You probably just haven't noticed them then.

Exactly. Everybody hates HDR because the only time they realize HDR has been used is when it's done poorly. Nobody looks at a perfectly natural image and says "What a great HDR!", because they don't even know it's HDR.
 
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LewisShermer said:
infared said:
Zv said:
I don't have a copy of this image on my ipad but this is a link to one I did in Yogyakarta while staying at a hotel. I bracketed a few very dark exposures to get the reflection and lights the right color.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/zanjum/6852135367/#in/set-72157628661905185

Very nice balance!

Yeah, everything looks natural on that. I wouldn't have even guessed it was HDR, just a real nicely exposed night scene

Thanks, I guess it's not the normal use of HDR to get shadow detail. Instead I went the other way to get detail in the highlights, which only makes up a small part of the image. The only way to get the green sign to expose correctly was at like -5EC or something.
 
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Check out the work of Trey Ratcliff. He is a renowned specialist in employing HDR in the realm of travel photography, thus his website "Stuck In Customs". His work is tasteful and well done, always working to enhance an image with purpose and not just throw a lot of effects in for effects' sake.

http://www.stuckincustoms.com/

I used his tutorials to produce the following three HDR images. I don't know about anyone else but I think I did a pretty good job with them:

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Grumbaki said:
so just to /thread:

HDR is fine as long as it's made so realisticly than you can barely tell it's HDR. Artistic attemps of over cooking might have good intentions but even well done quite a few people hate them.

Can we all agree on that? Group hug!

That sounds about right. I will say, early in my "HDR" days, if the image was boring (subject is blah), then I would cook the image and make it look crazy... but over time... yeah... we all live and learn.
 
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Grumbaki said:
so just to /thread:

HDR is fine as long as it's made so realisticly than you can barely tell it's HDR. Artistic attemps of over cooking might have good intentions but, even well done, quite a few people hate them.

Can we all agree on that? Group hug!

Yes...and the other end of that spectrum is....if I wanted all of my images to look like Kodachrome 25 from 1967 (with no fill flash). Then I would not have spent all of this money on a digital camera system and a powerful computer. We can do so much more now....I love to bring more tonal range out of images with the new tech...
 
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What's wrong with HDR? It's not cool like RAW. Seriously. You don't see I shoot HDR T-Shirts.

HDR is Photography's whipping boy, It's Honey Boo-Boo. HDR is the Octo-Mom. HDR is Lance Armstrong
RAW is the Crown Prince., It's Morgan Freeman, It's Michael Bublé. HDR is Lance Armstrong 3 years ago.
 
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infared said:
Grumbaki said:
so just to /thread:

HDR is fine as long as it's made so realisticly than you can barely tell it's HDR. Artistic attemps of over cooking might have good intentions but, even well done, quite a few people hate them.

Can we all agree on that? Group hug!

Yes...and the other end of that spectrum is....if I wanted all of my images to look like Kodachrome 25 from 1967 (with no fill flash). Then I would not have spent all of this money on a digital camera system and a powerful computer. We can do so much more now....I love to bring more tonal range out of images with the new tech...
 
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Well.. it IS essentially a creative filter.. as it represents something that is not what you saw, not what the camera captured, and not what anyone else would see if they viewed the scene that was captured - i.e.: a filtered effect or process.. ;=)

If you pose the question from a different direction you might better understand someone else's opposition. (Do you think EVERY shot you take, or anyone else takes, always looks better in some HDR representation?? Of course not, that is why some people consider it more of editing effect than a necessary shooting mode.)

From what I read and hear I think the real opposition is to the effect its popularity has had on manufacturers, given that it is simply the latest fad in photography, where development resources are spent on achieving greater dynamic range than can be perceived by the human eye as if it is some kind of requirement to photography.. In some cases it is pursued to the technology's detriment. As an example I give you Nikon's latest models from the D800 to the D7100 or whatever monstrosity came out last. Nikon has focused so much attention on achieving high dynamic range high megapixels bodies that they have actually 'reintroduced' grain back in digital photography! For those not in photography before the digital age, grain was eliminated with the very first digital bodies, not at all ISO settings of course, but at base ISO. As the technology matured we saw grain free 200 ISO, then 400 ISO, and today as high as 3200 ISO with certain bodies… To reintroduce grain as Nikon is doing (visible as low as 320 ISO in some of their bodies) is just insane, not only from a photographic sense, but especially given that it is all in the pursuit of selling dynamic range and megapixels to consumers who are more interested in spec sheets and rating tables than photography.

As far as I am concerned, just give me a camera that can capture the same light my eyes can see. If I have a need to artificially boost shadows and color and can't do so by 3+ stops - so be it.

(btw - HDR processing/printing isn't new, hence the curiosity people have over its new found popularity, it is almost as old as photography itself. We just did it in the dark room back in the day..)
 
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SiliconVoid said:
(btw - HDR processing/printing isn't new, hence the curiosity people have over its new found popularity, it is almost as old as photography itself. We just did it in the dark room back in the day..)

+1 We used to call it dodging and burning (yes you can dodge and burn in PS, but it's much easier in the wet darkroom)
 
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As far as I am concerned, just give me a camera that can capture the same light my eyes can see. If I have a need to artificially boost shadows and color and can't do so by 3+ stops - so be it.

No dslr or film stock has ever come close to recording what the human eye is capable of seeing. We are capable of seeing 256 shades of grey total. In optimal conditions the average human eye can see up to 100 shades of grey at once with that number falling lower depending on lighting conditions. Every single variance of photographic format and technique is simply a representation of what we see as human beings.

The terms "accurate" and "realistic" are highly subjective when it comes to photography representing what we see.

I use 2 different techniques when I want to expand the range of tones in a scene in the digital format. The first being a manual merging of bracketed shots in photoshop (if I am going for the "realistic" look) and the second being the automated HDR technique via plugin software (when I want a more stylized look).

Both require a ton of effort in post to pull off successfully. Most "HDR" photos that I see suffer from 1 or 2 critical mistakes. Either mishandling of the technique (wether it be inappropriate lighting, insufficient bracketing, or straight up slider delirium ie overcooked file) or unfinished post-production after the file emerges from the HDR process (halos not corrected, noise not being corrected, localized color shifting not being addressed, etc )

The only attempts I find egregious are the files where the tonal range ends up getting anhialated and file photo looks like a chalky washed out mess. Whenever I use either method I try to protect and enhance my tones throughout the scene (zone 1 through 10) making sure that I still have rich shadows, rich highlights, and pure blacks and whites.

In the hands of a proficient photographer these techniques can be very useful and successful.
 
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agierke said:
As far as I am concerned, just give me a camera that can capture the same light my eyes can see. If I have a need to artificially boost shadows and color and can't do so by 3+ stops - so be it.

No dslr or film stock has ever come close to recording what the human eye is capable of seeing. We are capable of seeing 256 shades of grey total. In optimal conditions the average human eye can see up to 100 shades of grey at once with that number falling lower depending on lighting conditions. Every single variance of photographic format and technique is simply a representation of what we see as human beings.

The terms "accurate" and "realistic" are highly subjective when it comes to photography representing what we see.

I use 2 different techniques when I want to expand the range of tones in a scene in the digital format. The first being a manual merging of bracketed shots in photoshop (if I am going for the "realistic" look) and the second being the automated HDR technique via plugin software (when I want a more stylized look).

Both require a ton of effort in post to pull off successfully. Most "HDR" photos that I see suffer from 1 or 2 critical mistakes. Either mishandling of the technique (wether it be inappropriate lighting, insufficient bracketing, or straight up slider delirium ie overcooked file) or unfinished post-production after the file emerges from the HDR process (halos not corrected, noise not being corrected, localized color shifting not being addressed, etc )

The only attempts I find egregious are the files where the tonal range ends up getting anhialated and file photo looks like a chalky washed out mess. Whenever I use either method I try to protect and enhance my tones throughout the scene (zone 1 through 10) making sure that I still have rich shadows, rich highlights, and pure blacks and whites.

In the hands of a proficient photographer these techniques can be very useful and successful.

Ahh...let the light shine in...you are totally on target.
 
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gferdinandsen said:
Natural looking HDR is just like dodging and burning a B&W print. You over expose the shadows and under expose the highlights. It's been done in the wet darkroom for decades.

I beg to differ. Don't you think dodging and burning is much more analogous to tweaking a RAW file? Without doing anything too crazy technique-wise, there wasn't really any equivalent to HDR in the film days.
 
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silvestography said:
gferdinandsen said:
Natural looking HDR is just like dodging and burning a B&W print. You over expose the shadows and under expose the highlights. It's been done in the wet darkroom for decades.

I beg to differ. Don't you think dodging and burning is much more analogous to tweaking a RAW file? Without doing anything too crazy technique-wise, there wasn't really any equivalent to HDR in the film days.

True... HDR should be used to fix over/under exposure, not exaggerate it like dodging and burning
 
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