When the hell will I get my EF 50mm f/nooneknows IS USM?!
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rfdesigner said:
I have to believe the EF 50mm f/1.4 USM must outsell the EF 50mm f/2.5 Macro by a comfortable margin (but I honestly have no data).
That 50 macro is sort of a duckbill platypus trying to do so much. It's not fast enough for portraiture, 1:2 macro is okay but I prefer working AF without tubes that a proper 1:1 macro gives, and though it hasn't been tested too much head to head against the 50 macro, I believe the 50 f/1.4 is a sharper optic. Overall, I see the 24-70 f/4L IS -- yeah, a zoom -- juggle standard and macro work as a 'hybrid' lens far better, but I recognize there are many devotees to that 50 macro.
I'm not shooting down your theory -- I welcome it -- but I'd wager there are 5x the folks waiting for an EF 50 f/1.4 USM replacement than there are folks pining for a 50mm f/2.5 Macro update, so if the f/nooneknows turns out to be 'f/2.something macro', I do not think it will sell very well.
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neuroanatomist said:@ ahsanford, out of curiosity have you tried the I'm going to keep talking about this lens ad infinitum until Canon gets so tired of it they make the lens just to shut me up strategy over on Canon's own forums? Unlike CR, I think they actually read those posts...
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ajfotofilmagem said:It is likely that we will see a Canon 50mm F1.7 Image Stabilizer. :-X
Ah, come on. Believe in Canon. They can do it better. They will give us a full third stop improvement over the tamron.
I fear, Canon were shocked by the Art ond Tamrons 45 1.8, so they dumped their 2.0 IS and went back to the drawing board.
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lightthief said:
Not so much:
1) Canon doesn't quake in its boots about Tamron lenses that will cost the same price as Canon's future non-L offering. Not one bit. Good on Tamron for spotting a market gap (a 45-55mm IS prime), but in the future state where the EF 50mm f/nooneknows IS USM is available side by side with the Tamron for about the same price (depending on the max aperture Canon ends up offering), I expect Tamron sales to plummet. Consider for comparision: who the hell would buy the 35mm f/1.8 IS Tamron for the same price as a first party Canon EF 35mm f/2 IS USM?
2) The EF 50mm f/nooneknows IS USM is not competing with the Sigma Art -- in optical quality, weight, customer, etc.. That's for a future 50L to do.
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Yes, that's right. Many people will prefer the first party (AF, service, maybe better resale price) over one third stop of light. At least, i would do it.ahsanford said:
You know that, many other people, and me, too. But i know people how prefer things with the best numbers. 1.4 seems to be better than x.x with IS. They will compare the non-L with the Art, especially when Canon's price will be close to the Art and the L will be far more expensive.ahsanford said:
I hope i'm wrong, for Canon and my purse.
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Ashanford, why didn't you offer "in the next two months" in your poll. The 24/28mm 2.8 IS were introduced in Feb. 2012 and i cannot remember any rumors before. Maybe we will be surprised by Canon again?
I keep my fingers crossed for us
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I keep my fingers crossed for us
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lightthief said:
The price doesn't define these lenses as much for me. These are apples and oranges in so many other ways.
The Sigma Art puts IQ at the top of the list and chases that. It results in a massive pickle jar of a lens that takes great pictures.
The 50mm non-L Canon (present or future) is meant to only be 90% as good optically, but pack a ton of quality into a much smaller/lighter package.
I personally disqualify that great Sigma 50 Art because primes shouldn't be (and don't have to be) pickle jars, and I strongly prefer rocksolid AF and IS more than I want the top dog resolution-tested lens.
Our needs vary, and so do the tools.
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lightthief said:Ashanford, why didn't you offer "in the next two months" in your poll. The 24/28mm 2.8 IS were introduced in Feb. 2012 and i cannot remember any rumors before. Maybe we will be surprised by Canon again?
I keep my fingers crossed for us
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Why not? Too many false dawns. Too many rumors of a 50 f/1.4 USM replacement.
Believe you me, I would love a surprise refresh for sure. Sadly, given all the new bodies queued up for landing, this sure doesn't appear to be another 'Year of the Lens'. Further, if you paired such lens up with a body logically release-timing-wise, this lens would be (from a market perspective) logically released alongside a 6D2 -- which is going to be a while.
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Currently when I want a 50, I use an adapted AIS Nikkor 50mm f/1.2 on a 6D with the superfine screen. It's not a pickle jar - maybe only a caper jar. :
Yes, the Sigma Art will blow the film-era Nikkor away for f/1.4 to f/2.0 overall image quality. But, the Nikkor is a pound lighter, and that makes a difference if I am shooting with a multiple lens kit and can afford some misses due to manual focus.
Yes, the Sigma Art will blow the film-era Nikkor away for f/1.4 to f/2.0 overall image quality. But, the Nikkor is a pound lighter, and that makes a difference if I am shooting with a multiple lens kit and can afford some misses due to manual focus.
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For performance shooting I would love to have fast 50, 85 or 100, and 135 primes with IS. My 35 IS is stuck on the camera, or when I need reach I put on the 24-105 IS and crank the ISO. I've been shooting Canon (for 35mm format) since the new F1 but that Pentax with in body stabilization looks interesting. Want to see samples at 6400 to 8000 ISO.
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I don't reckon it'll have image stabilisation! But I'd put 20 cents on it that it'll have the all new nano u.s.m.ahsanford said:
It will still be 1.4 and have new upto date coatings and whatever.
It won't be a beast everyone wants, it'll just get the job done. Thats the canon way!
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ahsanford said:
Similar to you, I had disqualified the Sigma 50 Art on size/weight grounds too ... but then I tried one out in a shop recently, and got bitten by the Sigma Art bug. That thing is impressive! I'd actually gone in to have a look at the Tamron 45 1.8 VC, and it's a nice lens, but I came away wanting the 50 Art (and, umm, well, owning a 35 Art) ... which is why I voted for hijacking your thread to talk about Siggy and the 50L
Now I just need to remember ... I do not need a 50mm prime, I do not need a 50mm prime, I do not need a 50mm prime ...
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Hi ahsanford!
I voted:
"Not sure, but I think it will ... crush your dreams, ahsanford"
Not because it will have STM but because it WON'T have IS.
I think Canon will make a 50/1.4 MkII and that's it.
I could live with that one because I'd take f1.4 over an f1.8 or f2.0 with IS.
But I don't believe we'll see it before 2017
I voted:
"Not sure, but I think it will ... crush your dreams, ahsanford"
Not because it will have STM but because it WON'T have IS.
I think Canon will make a 50/1.4 MkII and that's it.
I could live with that one because I'd take f1.4 over an f1.8 or f2.0 with IS.
But I don't believe we'll see it before 2017
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Sorry, I went dream crushing. I also think it will likely not have IS. But, I think we need to remember when the 24/28 mm f/2.8 IS and 35 mm f/2 IS were released, the price point was very high. About $800-900 here in the US. Someone in Canon thought they would sell at that price point. They didn't. And soon, not 3-4 years later, but 3 months to a year later the prices started to drop dramatically. Now they are $500-$600.
Simply point, but had this level of lens sold well at $800-900, I think we would already have seen a 50/85/100 mm refresh. So, I suspect we will someday see a refresh of these lenses. But I also suspect introducing other lenses became a higher priority to Canon after the price drop.
Simply point, but had this level of lens sold well at $800-900, I think we would already have seen a 50/85/100 mm refresh. So, I suspect we will someday see a refresh of these lenses. But I also suspect introducing other lenses became a higher priority to Canon after the price drop.
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docsmith said:
I agree, but think it's a bit too simplistic.
Canon's lenses face competition with Tamron's SP 45mm & 85mm f/1.8 Di VC USD, so in order to prevent loss of sales, Canon would have to eventually come out with 50mm & 85mm IS lenses.
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Antono Refa said:
It is simplistic, agreed. But I think your logic could go another direction. At least the businesses I've been involved in do not target areas that are most competitive. If anything, they avoid them. The margins get too low. Instead, they target markets that give them the greatest return on their investment or greatest profit margin on a per unit basis.
I do think Canon will eventually update the 50 f/1.4, but I really would not hold my breath. Btw, as a previous owner, I loved that lens, amazing from f/2.8-f/8 but upgraded to the Sigma 50 Art for better performance wider open.
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