Who is waiting for Canon Mirrorless?

[Mt Spokane Photography]

I've read all the hype about mirrorless, so I went to my local Camera store, they have a fair selection. I was generally disappointed in them. No wide lenses (wider than 24mm equiv) Most had no viewfinder, or a add-on klunky thing.

The best of the bunch seemed to me to be the Sony Nex 7, but it still lacked wide, and the evf turning the rear lcd display on asnd off continuously was disconcerting. The camera seemed fragile as well.

I'd be more incliined to go for a FF mirrorless camera that used EF lenses and had full time phase detect AF. The size is not a big deal, but dumping the clacking mirror would be welcome. Pellicle mirrors are not on my wish list, they lose too much light.

 

[elflord]

I've read all the hype about mirrorless, so I went to my local Camera store, they have a fair selection. I was generally disappointed in them. No wide lenses (wider than 24mm equiv) Most had no viewfinder, or a add-on klunky thing.

Your impressions based on your trip to the camera store do not accurately reflect the current state of the art.

There are several models with built in viewfinders. Among micro 4/3 cameras alone, Panasonic G series and GH series have built in viewfinders, as does the Olympus OM-D.

Panasonic makes a 7-14mm lens, and Olympus makes a 9-18mm lens. Samyang has a 7.5mm fish eye and Panasonic has an 8mm fisheye. Of these lenses, the Panasonic is probably 7-14mm has the best reputation.

I'm not as familiar with the other systems, but Sony and Fuji definitely have cameras available with built in viewfinders. Most of the other systems do not have as good a range of lenses as micro 4/3.

 

[briansquibb]

The technology is not important - it is the image that is

 

[wickidwombat]

there are a few things to consider really, the m4/3 systems etc that have interchangeable lenses still mean carrying a nit of gear and they are not really that cheap, also the lenses are pretty ordinary maybe the ziess stuff is good but now we are talking more expensive.
really you may as well just get some insurance cover and use the 40D in this case

I chose a fuji x10 for a small portable cam when i am too lazy to carry the big gear around
yeah its a smallish sensor but its sensor is really quite good and word is that fuji has a replacement sensor to fix the white orb issue.
also while no interchangable lens (a good thing on a small camera thats supposed to stop you carrying too much gear) the 28-112 f2-2.8 lens on the x10 is really really good and enables you to shoto in low light especially if you are shooting in the low signal noise mode

a complaint here is it is extremely vague on how these modes work and when they work
at fisrt i didnt think it worked in raw but after some research as long as you set M for image size it will shoot 6MP raws and use the EXR tech

the new firmware is nice and has allowed customisation of the raw button, i have this set to adjust DR
then have C1 and C2 settings configured to M images size and Full size so when in C1 i can just change the DR settign to go from signal noise function 100% DR or over to dynamic range function 400% and then over to C2 if i want to shoot a 12MP normal image

Auto iso works really quite well. AF is not too bad, not fast by say 1D standards but not bad, you can select focus point as spot focus and the focus points are spread all over the frame.

the strap that comes with it is too short unless youa re only 4 foot tall, i got a longer one so i can wear it accross my body and have it hang at my waste

definately worth looking at

overall the fuji is pretty good as a little carry all the time beast

 

[rumorzmonger]

The technology is not important - it is the image that is

Which I precisely why I've sold all of my m4/3 gear and gone back to a full-frame Canon system.

 

[Radiating]

I currently shoot with a T2i and 5D3 and want something even smaller than the T2i as a "mini DSLR". The sony NEX would be perfect if it were compatible with my EF lenses.

Canon needs to release a sony nex clone which is EF compatible, with an APS-C sensor.

 

[elflord]

there are a few things to consider really, the m4/3 systems etc that have interchangeable lenses still mean carrying a nit of gear and they are not really that cheap, also the lenses are pretty ordinary

The older bodies are pretty cheap these days. The better lenses are relatively at a bit of a premium because they are all 2008 or later.

You can choose how much gear you want to use. I have the GF2 with a panasonic 20mm f/1.7. It already has a built-in flash which can be tilted upward (so it can be bounced in horizontal orientation) -- not quite up there with the 430EX but good enough that I don't feel the need to rush out and buy a flash. I have some adapters so that I can mount my Canon glass -- so I have the 50mm f/1.4 and 35mm f/1.4 as portrait lenses. If I want a portrait lens with AF there's always the Olympus 45mm -- I could add this to my kit and still be under $1k for the whole setup.

 

[Sith Zombie]

really you may as well just get some insurance cover and use the 40D in this case

Not a bad point actually! Although I was looking forward to getting video functions and I'm guessing IQ would be a slight step up if I went for a nex [and a decent affordable lens came out] but still a good idea, I wouldn't be so worried about breaking/losing it with insurance.

 

[dtameling]

I was eagerly waiting for a Canon mirrorless. I'm not in as big a hurry any more because Sony beat them to the punch with what I was looking for. I've been using the NEX-7 for a little while now and the only thing it's missing is EF lens compatibility. With the (hard to get) Metabones adapter, that's less an issue now than it used to be.

I've been doing street shooting, events, wedding video and all sorts of stuff with it and it's easily the equal of my 7D...if not better. If it weren't for a strong stock of EF lenses, I'd consider walking away from Canon.

If Canon does it right, I'll buy...but it's going to be tough given the head start other companies have.

 

[RLPhoto]

Give me a camera and ill get something good out of it.

I like the idea of mirrorless but with a canon system it would be nice to have the mirrorless compatible with my current SLR system. I've been waiting for canon to release its system and hopefully an EF adapter to mount my current lenses.

If a mirrorless system is released, Id probably just buy a Fast 50mm and the body only at release. I dont like the current offerings from other systems because of the reason above.

Impatience is an expensive commodity, and i'm willing to wait for canon. 8)

 

[drjlo]

Whatever Canon does, they'd better make sure their mirrorless body sports a regular Canon hotshoe, i.e. all the Canon and third party speedlites, triggers, and accessories. If they put a dinky pop-up flash and skip the regular hotshoe, end of consideration.

 

[dtameling]

Give me a camera and ill get something good out of it.

I like the idea of mirrorless but with a canon system it would be nice to have the mirrorless compatible with my current SLR system. I've been waiting for canon to release its system and hopefully an EF adapter to mount my current lenses.

If a mirrorless system is released, Id probably just buy a Fast 50mm and the body only at release. I dont like the current offerings from other systems because of the reason above.

Impatience is an expensive commodity, and i'm willing to wait for canon. 8)

The small body combined with a fast prime is gold even without autofocus. Some of the best shots I've taken is gold. If Canon makes a mirrorless and doesn't include focus peaking, they lose...all cameras need an EVF or hybrid EVF and must have focus peaking in the future or I won't buy. Who cares how many AF points there are when I can see everything including DOF at a glance.

 

[tnargs]

....i hope they really use this as a complete new form of camera.. and get edgy and experimental....

You must know a company called Canon that I dont! ;D (P.S. Nikon did that, I think, with the '1'. And people are so harsh...)

Canon have always been proud of their full systems. I think they would be reluctant to release an all new system and be choked by a weak link like poor range of lenses.

It is POSSIBLE that their delay in entry has been to prepare a decent full system. They have the resources and the reputation .... but they would have to be sure that this is the future of the consumer camera.

I think micro 43 is the right-size package, combining body size, sensor size and lens size. In my dream Canon would release a m43 compatible series, because they think it is so important to have a full range of lenses available. Then they could start releasing Canon m43 lenses that only work on the Canon bodies.

 

[briansquibb]

I think micro 43 is the right-size package, combining body size, sensor size and lens size.

Micro43 :

- too big for the pocket
- too small for my hand

 

[wickidwombat]

- too small for my hand

[in voice of gimli] AND MY NOSE!

 

[briansquibb]

- too small for my hand

[in voice of gimli] AND MY NOSE!

;D ;D ;D

 

[Daniel Flather]

I just left crop sensors in the past, so it has to be full frame. I doubt Canon will release a full frame camera on the first time out, maybe, just maybe, Canon will prove me to be incorrect.

 

[moreorless]

I just left crop sensors in the past, so it has to be full frame. I doubt Canon will release a full frame camera on the first time out, maybe, just maybe, Canon will prove me to be incorrect.

I'd guess the only hope in that reguard maybe that Canon look to counter the D600 with a budget mirrorless FF option.

 

[VASH1291]

Got a 7D with L glass atm and would love a smaller camera to use in places where they don't allow DSLR's or when weight is a big concern :

 

[briansquibb]

Got a 7D with L glass atm and would love a smaller camera to use in places where they don't allow DSLR's or when weight is a big concern :

Like the Leica M8 with its APS-H sensor