Who thinks this is an ANTI-CLIMATIC product? As in, the 5DIII

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#21
What a turnaround

Yesterday the 5D2 was a useless product - no today the 5D3 is overpriced etc and everyone is going to buy a 5D2

It amuses me to see the comments being made when the poster has seen neither camera but is just regurgitating a previous ignorant lowly experienced commentator
 
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#22
BornNearDaBayou said:
I already have 5dII. I wanted more MP (more than D3X at 24MP), much better ISO performance, and better AF.

Why did Canon play this so foolishly? I am invested in Canon somewhat, and don't care about this new announcement. What a monumental letdown. I don't know how any current 5d owner could get very excited about this "ground-breaking" new DSLR.

I would rather have the 1dX. Even at over $3k more, you will have similar IQ at low ISO. I can't believe the resolution went up by 1 measly MEGAPIXEL!!!!!

I hope I am wrong. This is like the ending to Saving Private Ryan. An old man crying is all I see.....
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I'm sorry, but I have to smite you, my friend. If I could smite you ten times in a row, I'd do that, too. You don't seem to get that for the last several years, the ENTIRE time we've all been waiting for this camera, we all heard nothing but "LESS MP, BETTER ISO!! LESS MP, BETTER ISO!! LESS MP, BETTER ISO!!". Here we are, on the day the long-awaited 5D III is released, and everyone is BITCHING about the fact that we "only" got a "measly" single extra megapixel. Well DAMN, PPL?!? If you wanted uberpixels, why did you demand less mp and ask for better ISO?!?!

Simply put, the 5D III is a FANTASTIC camera from a specs standpoint. Canon listend to ALL of their users complaints, and fixed just about all of them, from what I can tell! Like the 1D X, it STOPPED focuing on megapixels, megapixels, megapixels, and STARTED focusing on WHAT PEOPLE FRIGGIN ASKED FOR!!!!!!!!! We just got a whopping TWO STOPS of NATIVE ISO improvement!!! The Nikon D4 didn't change native ISO one tiny bit, and neither did the D800!!

But DAMN, the D800 has uberpixels!!

We just got an unbelievable, entirely unexpected 61 point AF system with 41 cross-type sensors!!! And to go along with that, we got a nice boost from 3.9fps to 6fps, 18 continuous frames, and dual memory card slots (and don't you DARE complain about the fact that they are not both CF or both SD...YOU HAVE TWO FRIGGIN MEMORY CARD SLOTS, and are probably sitting pretty on 50,000 unused SD cards that you couldn't use any more once you went to the 5D II!)

But DAMN, the D800 has uberpixels!!

"WHAAAA! So screw Canon, they are a bunch of b*tards for listening to their CUSTOMERS. PFFAH! Nikon HERE I COME!!" - anonymous, ubiquitous complainer

GROW THE FRACK UP PPL!!

YOU...GOT...WHAT YOU ASKED FOR!!

-.-

MEH. :o

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And what you asked for...IS AWESOME! Can't wait to get mine. :D
 
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#23
For people expecting a baby 1DX at $2000 the 5DIII might be a disappointment. But if the specs we see on paper translate into clean high ISO pictures, snappy AF, better ergonomics etc. I would think of the 5DIII as a rather cool camera and I'd love to get one. The only thing that dampens my spirits a bit is the hefty price tag.
 
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#24
I am OP. This is my argument: We, as consumers, are collectively indifferent. some want this, and some want that.

The 1dX addresses High ISO performance issues. We also have the existing 1D4 (16 MP) that is impressive in high ISO. And it is a wonderful camera from all I have seen, read, and heard.

Okay, so since the 5dII came out nearly 4 years ago, Canon has added 1MP, better ISO performance, similar video features, same metering, 2 frames per second, and "pro" AF. All of this for $500 more-- 4 years later.

I know I am leaving out some specs--what dual card slots that many sub-FF cameras already have? I just don't see why anyone would pay $1,500 MORE for these upgrades. And yes, the 5dII can be found for $2,000 flat.
 
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#26
I think there is some sticker shock to get over.

Yes. It is more expensive. And to want to still buy it, just like a photographer selling more expensive prints and albums and shoots, there has to be an increase in value to the buyer.

I think most agree - if someone said they could upgrade your 5D Mk II free of charge they might take the chance - many currently see this as an improvement on the 5D.

So if you agree the 5D MkIII is an improvement on the mark II then its mostly about the
Cost of the two models and what you get, right?
(once you've got past unrealistic expectations and wanting the moon on a stick for a dollar)

It's a one off cost. You've got to square paying double for the camera than a 5DmkII
Or another £1,500.

It's a one off cost. But it's up front.
One new improvement might not be worth that.
All the improvements might not be worth that.
But all the improvements over time might be.

The worst day for this kind of product is the one you have to pay for it.
Then you get to enjoy it for years!

For some, they can see now that they'll regularly have, let's call them moments where they appreciate the new camera - the camera locks focus in a dark chapel
- they get the shot in a sequence and appreciate the higher frames per second

Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance - some of the comments about the camera are like The Kübler Ross model!

It is personal. For some this camera isn't right for them now,but maybe in the future or maybe never.
Like Vincent LaForet. He's got his eyes on something 3x more expensive!

There are some great previews out of this camera -
Canonrumors guy quoted the money shot for me of Jeff Ascough's preview.
 
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#27
It is no where near enough to get me to drop 3500. In 6 years I have NEVER put ether one of my DSLR cameras in burst mode. I have truly not had enough ISO to get the shoots that I want once. The DR has been a issue and I will wait to see the hard facts on that and if when it all washes out I may think about this when the price drops and I really think that after the first crop of I have to have the latest out there they will not make anywhere the numbers that they are looking for. The beginning of nest year I bet that we see a drop. I shoot a 5D for 5 years and love it and I am sure that I will love the Mk II that I picked up for a while to come. I would be more likely to buy a 3d with the same ISO, DR as the MK 3 and 40 MP and NO video at 4K or even maybe 4.5k. Again when I got my 7D I played with the video once and then have never turned it on again. They are people that need or want something different. If I was not so heavly invested in Canon glass I would be looking very hard at a going to nikon but with over 10k in glass for Canon I cannot switch so I will just sit on the side lines
 
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#28
Consumer electronics in general is probably not good for the climate, but let's not exaggerate. The 5D3 will probably not be significantly more anti-climatic than e.g. the D800. After all, they are both designed in the land of Kyoto, you know, the city with the protocol.
 
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#29
jrista said:
BornNearDaBayou said:
I already have 5dII. I wanted more MP (more than D3X at 24MP), much better ISO performance, and better AF.

Why did Canon play this so foolishly? I am invested in Canon somewhat, and don't care about this new announcement. What a monumental letdown. I don't know how any current 5d owner could get very excited about this "ground-breaking" new DSLR.

I would rather have the 1dX. Even at over $3k more, you will have similar IQ at low ISO. I can't believe the resolution went up by 1 measly MEGAPIXEL!!!!!

I hope I am wrong. This is like the ending to Saving Private Ryan. An old man crying is all I see.....
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I'm sorry, but I have to smite you, my friend. If I could smite you ten times in a row, I'd do that, too. You don't seem to get that for the last several years, the ENTIRE time we've all been waiting for this camera, we all heard nothing but "LESS MP, BETTER ISO!! LESS MP, BETTER ISO!! LESS MP, BETTER ISO!!". Here we are, on the day the long-awaited 5D III is released, and everyone is BITCHING about the fact that we "only" got a "measly" single extra megapixel. Well DAMN, PPL?!? If you wanted uberpixels, why did you demand less mp and ask for better ISO?!?!

Simply put, the 5D III is a FANTASTIC camera from a specs standpoint. Canon listend to ALL of their users complaints, and fixed just about all of them, from what I can tell! Like the 1D X, it STOPPED focuing on megapixels, megapixels, megapixels, and STARTED focusing on WHAT PEOPLE FRIGGIN ASKED FOR!!!!!!!!! We just got a whopping TWO STOPS of NATIVE ISO improvement!!! The Nikon D4 didn't change native ISO one tiny bit, and neither did the D800!!

But DAMN, the D800 has uberpixels!!

We just got an unbelievable, entirely unexpected 61 point AF system with 41 cross-type sensors!!! And to go along with that, we got a nice boost from 3.9fps to 6fps, 18 continuous frames, and dual memory card slots (and don't you DARE complain about the fact that they are not both CF or both SD...YOU HAVE TWO FRIGGIN MEMORY CARD SLOTS, and are probably sitting pretty on 50,000 unused SD cards that you couldn't use any more once you went to the 5D II!)

But DAMN, the D800 has uberpixels!!

"WHAAAA! So screw Canon, they are a bunch of b*tards for listening to their CUSTOMERS. PFFAH! Nikon HERE I COME!!" - anonymous, ubiquitous complainer

GROW THE FRACK UP PPL!!

YOU...GOT...WHAT YOU ASKED FOR!!

-.-

MEH. :o

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And what you asked for...IS AWESOME! Can't wait to get mine. :D
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+10000000000

couldn't' agree more
 
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#30
This camera is going to be awesome for pro's as Canon has answered ours prayers with all the new features. In fact there's more improvement than ppl are giving it credit for ie. _2ev focussing, MA at both ends of a zoom lens etc there's loads of improvements that are going to make a big difference to pro's.
I've pre ordered mine an I'm 19th on the list I can't wait.

I reckon there are some Nikon owners twitching :D
 
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#32
Anti-Climactic? Hardly.

On paper thus far it smashes the D800 in every category other than MPs, and even then thats one area thats not exactly as great as its made out to be.

Whats even more hilarious is that most of the people who are currently posting and whinging about it being bad, more megapixels pl0x, etc, are mostly making their first post...
 
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#34
I really don't see how people are dissatisfied with 22 megapixels. Until just recently 21-24 megapixels was the absolute maximum you could get with a DSLR and people weren't rushing to buy medium format cameras.

99% of photographers don't need more than 16 MP. I'm one of the few people that needs at least 16 MP because I'm a photoshop artist and my craft degrades images to an extreme extent and I extensivly crop. Even so 16 MP is enough.

22 MP is enough to do 4 foot wide prints. It's an absurd amount of resolution that is already typically overkill. I'm really glad that Canon deeply improved everything but megapixels, the other issues needed much much more attention and the results are amazing.
 
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#35
On paper and in the first hands on it just seems to be the perfect camera at a reasonable price, the more I look at it the less the itch for a end of this year-1DX is lurking, this could be the perfect step from my 5dII which will make for a magnificent 2nd body. Great times at Canon and still happy I invested in their FF system and not Nikon! But let's wait for the reviews anyways.
 
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#36
Radiating said:
I really don't see how people are dissatisfied with 22 megapixels. Until just recently 21-24 megapixels was the absolute maximum you could get with a DSLR and people weren't rushing to buy medium format cameras.

99% of photographers don't need more than 16 MP. I'm one of the few people that needs at least 16 MP because I'm a photoshop artist and my craft degrades images to an extreme extent and I extensivly crop. Even so 16 MP is enough.

22 MP is enough to do 4 foot wide prints. It's an absurd amount of resolution that is already typically overkill. I'm really glad that Canon deeply improved everything but megapixels, the other issues needed much much more attention and the results are amazing.
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I love Canon's system. I know the handling of their bodies, I know the strength of their lens lineup -- all 4 solid 70-200 choices. Add in the 70-300L, the new 24-70 (said to be astonishing), and the IS primes (24/28mm) and you have much to be happy about. No one is capable of understanding my statements obviously.

The 1Dx and 5d3 are close in terms of the same camera--save for the extremely high FPS on the flagship, metering, and.... a few more things. But why make the 5d3 have IQ so similar to the 5d2, which I suspect it most definitely WILL. And this is not a bad thing. It's just kind of an old thing. I guess no one can grasp this.

I don't have envy for Nikon at all. Heck, I own some Nikon glass and the D7k--which NEVER gets used. I know its a far cry from FF, even the "ancient" 5d2 (read stark sarcasm here), but I could be praising Nikon more.

I don't need 6FPS or 61 AF points. I don't need 36 MP either. For me, and only me, it's a little disappointing that I will have the same camera, more or less, if I upgrade. That is, it will still get the same use. For me, that is. Only for me, so don't get your undies in a bunch Canonites.
 
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dbduchene said:
It is no where near enough to get me to drop 3500. In 6 years I have NEVER put ether one of my DSLR cameras in burst mode. I have truly not had enough ISO to get the shoots that I want once. The DR has been a issue and I will wait to see the hard facts on that and if when it all washes out I may think about this when the price drops and I really think that after the first crop of I have to have the latest out there they will not make anywhere the numbers that they are looking for.
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I do use burst on occasion for wildlife, which is why I use the 7D and switch to the 5D MkII for landscapes, macro and low light. However, even with the MkII, I still run into situations where I could do with higher (clean) ISO. With the added much improved AF (assuming it works as expected of course), it will essentially replace both my cameras for most shooting, but I will keep the 7D for when I need more reach or if I'm likely to need the extra 2 fps and as a second camera, so I don't miss shots when something turns up unexpectedly. There's probably a fairly good chance that the DR could be improved too. I'll probably wait to see if there are any price drops, but it is essentially a camera I have looked for to access areas of photography I couldn't achieve with my current kit, at least not easily.
 
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#38
MP is one of the least important criteria if it is
above 10 MP for crop cams and above 16 MP for full frame cams.
So I don't see any principal disadvantage of the choice of 22 MP
by Canon.

I am not excited about a camera if I haven't
  • seen the images of it,
  • tested its ergonomics.

So let's decide about our excitement AFTER having the
full data about this TOOL.

Perhaps it's the time for EVOlution in the digital camera
departments, not the time for REVOlutions!
 
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