Will there be a 7d2 at all?

[AvTvM]

Expect price iro $2500

whatever. The more absurd Canon prices it, the more of their user base will switch to Nikon.

 

[Marsu42]

whatever. The more absurd Canon prices it, the more of their user base will switch to Nikon.

But at the same time, they might gain more users for expanded video capability which would have to buy much more expensive cams if Canon wasn't around. So for their profit - and this is what matters to a company with quarterly reports - this and going premium with ff bodies & lenses it might be a winning strategy.

 

[AvTvM]

whatever. The more absurd Canon prices it, the more of their user base will switch to Nikon.

But at the same time, they might gain more users for expanded video capability which would have to buy much more expensive cams if Canon wasn't around. So for their profit - and this is what matters to a company with quarterly reports - this and going premium with ff bodies & lenses it might be a winning strategy.

it may quickly trun into a losing strategy when next gen Nikons hammer Canon DSLRs also in video capabilities. Personally I consider video on a DSLR a complete and utter mis-match. Video is a mirrorless game. Why on eartj would videots want a flip-flap mirror, prism and OVF as obstacles in the light path?

 

[Marsu42]

Video is a mirrorless game. Why on eartj would videots want a flip-flap mirror, prism and OVF as obstacles in the light path?

Exactly - and my take is that this is the way Canon is going, so the upcoming Ex-Rebel bodies will more like be video cams with ef mount and bonus still shooting capability which is certainly an advantage over the competition. They're currently releasing lenses for this strategy, and testing out the first incarnation of the sensor - once it works adequately, it's bye bye mirror & ovf in this class. The ovf dlsrs will move up at the same time, until maybe 10 years from now only pro models will have a mirror for superior af capability.

 

[briansquibb]

it may quickly trun into a losing strategy when next gen Nikons hammer Canon DSLRs also in video capabilities.

Time to turn off the pro Nikon anti Canon switch

Without evidence that statement is nothing but the words of a troll

 

[preppyak]

it may quickly turn into a losing strategy when next gen Nikons hammer Canon DSLRs also in video capabilities.

Good luck getting that to happen...gonna be awful tough for Nikon to make those cameras without the Sony sensor. And I can't see Sony being pumped about Nikon releasing an affordable killer video DLSR that cuts into the profits on their video cameras.

Have you seen the "uncompressed" video out from the D800? It looked pretty bad when people tried to post-process it.

Anyway, back on topic, I see a 7dII coming out next spring, and the sensor will reflect whatever the 70D gets (18mp, 22mp, etc). The AF will be an APS-C version of the 61pt AF (so probably 40ish), and the FPS will reflect what Dual Digic V can do (8-10fps). So, its a mix of incremental changes (passing down elements Canon already has), but I think many 7D users would be happy with the upgrades as a whole. Probably priced a little higher than the 7D is now, but still <$2k.

I think Canon remembers that their enthusiast market isn't as deep-pocketed as their pro's. And they also have less investment in their system, so making them mad loses them a customer base

 

[dlleno]

Anyway, back on topic, I see a 7dII coming out next spring, and the sensor will reflect whatever the 70D gets (18mp, 22mp, etc). The AF will be an APS-C version of the 61pt AF (so probably 40ish), and the FPS will reflect what Dual Digic V can do (8-10fps). So, its a mix of incremental changes (passing down elements Canon already has), but I think many 7D users would be happy with the upgrades as a whole. Probably priced a little higher than the 7D is now, but still <$2k.

I think Canon remembers that their enthusiast market isn't as deep-pocketed as their pro's. And they also have less investment in their system, so making them mad loses them a customer base

certainly plausable. also consider that Canon might pull the same thing for 7D2 as they did for 7D1 -- a brand new sensor at the technology frontier for APS-C.

The thing about the enthusiast's pockets is how will Canon address the wildlifers and BIFers out there, i.e. 1D4 market. If there is no APS-H body, then these folks will be forced into the 1DX (a stated strategy) but those who like the reach will also turn to the premium APS-C body, in which case 7D2 might get pushed into being a little more "1D" like, spreading the distance even furher between the three 1.6x bodies.

 

[briansquibb]

Anyway, back on topic, I see a 7dII coming out next spring, and the sensor will reflect whatever the 70D gets (18mp, 22mp, etc). The AF will be an APS-C version of the 61pt AF (so probably 40ish), and the FPS will reflect what Dual Digic V can do (8-10fps). So, its a mix of incremental changes (passing down elements Canon already has), but I think many 7D users would be happy with the upgrades as a whole. Probably priced a little higher than the 7D is now, but still <$2k.

I think Canon remembers that their enthusiast market isn't as deep-pocketed as their pro's. And they also have less investment in their system, so making them mad loses them a customer base

certainly plausable. also consider that Canon might pull the same thing for 7D2 as they did for 7D1 -- a brand new sensor at the technology frontier for APS-C.

The thing about the enthusiast's pockets is how will Canon address the wildlifers and BIFers out there, i.e. 1D4 market. If there is no APS-H body, then these folks will be forced into the 1DX (a stated strategy) but those who like the reach will also turn to the premium APS-C body, in which case 7D2 might get pushed into being a little more "1D" like, spreading the distance even furher between the three 1.6x bodies.

Wildlife/sports is hard without the 1D body and features - you have to shoot in portrait quite often - like runners etc.

I do shortrange static birding on the 1DS3 as the picture IQ is so much better and often sports events on the 1DS3 too.

I could easily use a 1DX however an A3 print IS better with 21mp than 18mp - 18 is not quite enough with modern hires printers.

A 1 series, 24mp with 8fps would be an awesome camera - with AF with f/8

 

[sanj]

If we were talking entry level I'd agree but once you get up to the level of a potential 7D2 and a FF model at $1500 or more potentiasl buyers are likely to know what there after.

I have to disagree, many people walking around with 7d bodies in Berlin are guys who use a kit lens and can hardly find the shutter button - but the camera salesmen talked them into getting something "good" while not getting the most expensive model (5d2, now 5d3). People who are likely to have a clue are 1d owners, but even there seem to be a couple of very well-off amateurs. This forum is biased towards people who are tech geeks.

true!

 

[Marine03]

I could easily use a 1DX however an A3 print IS better with 21mp than 18mp - 18 is not quite enough with modern hires printers.

18 not enough for an A3 print size????????? come on by the house later for a beer I'll show you a 40x28 that I shot with 12 MP and it was more than enough. A3 is like a 5MP shot. :

 

[briansquibb]

I could easily use a 1DX however an A3 print IS better with 21mp than 18mp - 18 is not quite enough with modern hires printers.

18 not enough for an A3 print size????????? come on by the house later for a beer I'll show you a 40x28 that I shot with 12 MP and it was more than enough. A3 is like a 5MP shot. :

Sure I know it can be done - however to get max detail at native resolution you need more. My 1D4 images are at larger then life for a portrait - but not the resolution I want.