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[ecka]

Battery life is like Canon 1 : 3 Sony, and for a landscaping trip you may end up with 10 or 12 NP-FW50, because battery life in landscape photography is not about the number of shots you take, but the amount of time you are waiting for the right moment and unlike DSLR you can't even work on the composition with your A7r being turned off or in standby mode like most DSLRs are most of the time.

And you can't just do the composition and turn off the Sony while waiting for the right moment?

I mean that LiveView/EVF is eating your battery while you are looking for the best spot or a better angle, not just when sitting there with a ready to shoot camera on a tripod and waiting for good light to push the button.

Actually I find myself using liveview when doing landscapes on Canon and the battery life of even the 1DX in live view is just as bad as the Sony.

Me too, and yes it is. I've never been on a pure landscaping trip, but I like doing macro (for hours) and I think the battery drain rates are very similar in both. Normally it's like 10 peekers per battery .

 

[privatebydesign]

Actually I find myself using liveview when doing landscapes on Canon and the battery life of even the 1DX in live view is just as bad as the Sony.

Me too, and yes it is.

I'll call bullshit on that. From a purely maths point of view the 1 series batteries have a capacity of 2450 mAh, the Sony NP-FW50 has a capacity of 1020mAh, even if you use the Sony grip with two NP=FW50's you are still over 400 mAh short of a 1 series battery. Are you seriously suggesting the Canon uses two and a half times the power in Live View that the Sony does?

The Sony battery capacity has been widely noted to be a weak point, the 1 series batteries never have, I see a misalignment of opinions here and the maths supports the majority of testers.

 

[TLN]

When you go for landscape / travelling, it's very likely you carry at least a small backpack, so carry 3 more batteries is not really an issue (except for the cost) since the Sony batteries are about half the weight of the Canon ones. On the other hand 575g total weight less is not subjective when hiking / travelling. IMHO, for landscape / travel / architecture (and I am NOT saying for sports, birding, weddings or whatever else), the Sony combo wins, especially when you take in account the sensor low ISO capabilities (although for travel some might not want the extra resolution).

Well, as for me, It's not about weight, but sizing. Backpack with gripped canon 5d and three lenses will be quite heavy and leaves no space to rest of the stuff. I'd like to get a smaller A7(with grip or QR plate), smaller(and lighter) lenses. I'd also appreciate smaller A7 body when needed. I believe I'd carry my camera more when I do now.

 

[privatebydesign]

When you go for landscape / travelling, it's very likely you carry at least a small backpack, so carry 3 more batteries is not really an issue (except for the cost) since the Sony batteries are about half the weight of the Canon ones. On the other hand 575g total weight less is not subjective when hiking / travelling. IMHO, for landscape / travel / architecture (and I am NOT saying for sports, birding, weddings or whatever else), the Sony combo wins, especially when you take in account the sensor low ISO capabilities (although for travel some might not want the extra resolution).

Well, as for me, It's not about weight, but sizing. Backpack with gripped canon 5d and three lenses will be quite heavy and leaves no space to rest of the stuff. I'd like to get a smaller A7(with grip or QR plate), smaller(and lighter) lenses. I'd also appreciate smaller A7 body when needed. I believe I'd carry my camera more when I do now.

Er, why a gripped 5D?

Take the grip off and use the very nice IS primes that are small and light.

 

[msm]

Actually I find myself using liveview when doing landscapes on Canon and the battery life of even the 1DX in live view is just as bad as the Sony.

Me too, and yes it is.

I'll call bullshit on that. From a purely maths point of view the 1 series batteries have a capacity of 2450 mAh, the Sony NP-FW50 has a capacity of 1020mAh, even if you use the Sony grip with two NP=FW50's you are still over 400 mAh short of a 1 series battery. Are you seriously suggesting the Canon uses two and a half times the power in Live View that the Sony does?

The Sony battery capacity has been widely noted to be a weak point, the 1 series batteries never have, I see a misalignment of opinions here and the maths supports the majority of testers.

Call BS all you like, I have burned through a full LP-E4N in as little as approximately 120pics. Maybe all the extra processors and bigger screen drains more power per time unit than the EVF?

The A7 cameras actually have a little advantage too in that you can use USB chargers which can be easier available. And the batteries are really small and light especially compared to the big and heavy LP-E4N.

 

[TLN]

Er, why a gripped 5D?

Take the grip off and use the very nice IS primes that are small and light.

Well, I'm not talking about travelling as travel-photos, but as moving from city A to B. I'd prefer a gripped camera for better balance, or simply to have my little finger on camera.
When I wanna go out with lighter setup, I'd take camera without a grip with smaller prime, but A7 with same price will be way lighter, and compact. Not to mention, that one battery is enough for evening walk.

I might change my lenses to Sony, or upgrade my camera to latest, but honestly don't want to invest alot in canon at the moment. I might go Sony route as they release more lenses, or stay with canon if they release their best card.

 

[privatebydesign]

Actually I find myself using liveview when doing landscapes on Canon and the battery life of even the 1DX in live view is just as bad as the Sony.

Me too, and yes it is.

I'll call bullshit on that. From a purely maths point of view the 1 series batteries have a capacity of 2450 mAh, the Sony NP-FW50 has a capacity of 1020mAh, even if you use the Sony grip with two NP=FW50's you are still over 400 mAh short of a 1 series battery. Are you seriously suggesting the Canon uses two and a half times the power in Live View that the Sony does?

The Sony battery capacity has been widely noted to be a weak point, the 1 series batteries never have, I see a misalignment of opinions here and the maths supports the majority of testers.

Call BS all you like, I have burned through a full LP-E4N in as little as approximately 120pics. Maybe all the extra processors and bigger screen drains more power per time unit than the EVF?

The A7 cameras actually have a little advantage too in that you can use USB chargers which can be easier available. And the batteries are really small and light especially compared to the big and heavy LP-E4N.

I still call bullshit. Now I agree carrying a couple of small batteries can be nice, I do with my EOS-m for example, and charging via a USB is cool, I do it with my CamRanger, but you are changing from comparing both cameras in Live View to one in Live View and one via the EVF! Even so I shoot with Live View and LP-E4's and have gone several days and many hundreds of shots without changing the battery, I have used Live View for hours and hours during the course of real estate shooting, taking hundreds of bracketed shots and never had to change a fully charged battery in a single day.

 

[msm]

Actually I find myself using liveview when doing landscapes on Canon and the battery life of even the 1DX in live view is just as bad as the Sony.

Me too, and yes it is.

I'll call bullshit on that. From a purely maths point of view the 1 series batteries have a capacity of 2450 mAh, the Sony NP-FW50 has a capacity of 1020mAh, even if you use the Sony grip with two NP=FW50's you are still over 400 mAh short of a 1 series battery. Are you seriously suggesting the Canon uses two and a half times the power in Live View that the Sony does?

The Sony battery capacity has been widely noted to be a weak point, the 1 series batteries never have, I see a misalignment of opinions here and the maths supports the majority of testers.

Call BS all you like, I have burned through a full LP-E4N in as little as approximately 120pics. Maybe all the extra processors and bigger screen drains more power per time unit than the EVF?

The A7 cameras actually have a little advantage too in that you can use USB chargers which can be easier available. And the batteries are really small and light especially compared to the big and heavy LP-E4N.

I still call bullshit. Now I agree carrying a couple of small batteries can be nice, I do with my EOS-m for example, and charging via a USB is cool, I do it with my CamRanger, but you are changing from comparing both cameras in Live View to one in Live View and one via the EVF! Even so I shoot with Live View and LP-E4's and have gone several days and many hundreds of shots without changing the battery, I have used Live View for hours and hours during the course of real estate shooting, taking hundreds of bracketed shots and never had to change a fully charged battery in a single day.

Actual batterylife depends heavy on usage, so its best to do standardized tests. Doing a quick search for the numbers according to the CIPA standard I find that the 1DX is rated at 290 shots in live view, the a7 is rated at 340.

 

[privatebydesign]

Actual batterylife depends heavy on usage, so its best to do standardized tests. Doing a quick search for the numbers according to the CIPA standard I find that the 1DX is rated at 290 shots in live view, the a7 is rated at 340.

And standardised testing rarely reflects actual real world use. Find me a single reviewer/user that has ever negatively commented on 1 series battery life, now show me pretty much any A7 reviewer/user that hasn't. Why the disparity?

 

[msm]

Actual batterylife depends heavy on usage, so its best to do standardized tests. Doing a quick search for the numbers according to the CIPA standard I find that the 1DX is rated at 290 shots in live view, the a7 is rated at 340.

And standardised testing rarely reflects actual real world use. Find me a single reviewer/user that has ever negatively commented on 1 series battery life, now show me pretty much any A7 reviewer/user that hasn't. Why the disparity?

Easy, the 1DX is for most applications shot through the OVF while the A7 is forced to use live view or equivalent EVF.

 

[privatebydesign]

Actual batterylife depends heavy on usage, so its best to do standardized tests. Doing a quick search for the numbers according to the CIPA standard I find that the 1DX is rated at 290 shots in live view, the a7 is rated at 340.

And standardised testing rarely reflects actual real world use. Find me a single reviewer/user that has ever negatively commented on 1 series battery life, now show me pretty much any A7 reviewer/user that hasn't. Why the disparity?

Easy, the 1DX is for most applications shot through the OVF while the A7 is forced to use live view or equivalent EVF.

So how does that explain users like myself who rely on 1 series Live View day in day out, for hour after hour, hundreds of shots a day?