Odds & Ends *UPDATED*

lol I notice the sensor size still remains an mystery. There is hope!!

Looks like ill be buying a refurbished 5d or 5d mkii now.

What the “F” is the crop factor? I know CR sez 1.6, but many are saying it might be 1.3? Me so cornfused.

FF sensor @ $1799.99 MSRP. =)

hahah I hope you’re right Jenny. :)

That would be awesome.

How can it be 63 metering zones thats not a even number?

I was hoping it would be FF as I cant believe they would make the same mistake as the 50d in giving more pixels then a 1.6 lens can handle. My hope is that like the Sony 850 it will be full frame but also able to take the EF S lenses and crop the sensor. It would be worthless to put 18mp in a 1.6 however a 1.3 would probably keep it in line with the 50d pixel density. I havent done the math on that though.

The CR3 actually said APS-C. Besides, the 1.3x cameras can’t take EF-S lenses.

Could it be $2,700 & APS-H? Ef-s capable?

Wireless flash…I’m sort of a source…110% guaranteed…I’ve seen it in writing.

then do you know the sensor size and MP size ?

If its not FF I’ll skip and get a new 1D(s)MK4 as 2nd body next to my 5DMK2 :|

I’m keeping my 40d

I am just as shocked… especially after the 10 MP G11/S90 releases.

What happened?

No I don’t know that, only because that wasn’t mentioned on the documentation I saw. Wireless flash!!! Bet on it and take it to the bank.

people always forget the center one, hehe

Not funny (say it twice for dual)

Want mine? I’m selling it for the 7D once it goes offical!

The neutral observer is going to take a pass on this one. He feels that 18MP on a 1.6 crop sensor is unacceptable.

Just go look at bing.com’s shopping. They’re selling new ones through their vendors for 12-14% off, though I think that’ll end this month.

I’m still hoping it will be a 1.3 crop.

The CR guy is saying that you cannot attach EF-S lenses on a 1.3 crop body, but thats not true. It can still be 1.3 crop and have an “APS-C” mount ring instead.

I’ve also read that the camera on the right on that poster is smaller, but thats not true either. It’s an optical illusion, look at the distances between the writings and the cameras and they look on par.

Well I’m hoping for a 1.3 crop with a new shutter with no mirror, so I can also take EF-s lenses.

Because it wasn’t stated in the leaked poster. Besides if you mount a EF-S lens on anything other than a 1.6 crop camera, the large mirror will damage itself and the lens due to the baffle.

Good. More for me!

Well Dual Digic IV processors could be used to blur out all the useful detail with noise reduction! Which wouldn’t work for me, I like to shoot RAW and use 0 noise reduction!

They changed the real names for the movie. They are actually DPB’s that become self aware.

Yes, but the sony does not have video or other features. If they came out with a ff under $2,000 no one would by the 5d Mii anymore….

Thanks for making it clear. Looks like I was wrong but I was at least hoping..

Maybe they made some substantial improvments in the sensor because cramming 18mp on a 1.6 crop sensor AND bumping the base ISO to 6400 doesnt sound like a good idea.

Right.

I like this one :-)

Can you get XM or Sirius radio on it?

Any one skeptical will feel stupid next week…LMAO

This sounds to me like too many APSc models… In my opinion, this specs are what the 60D should be. I cannot find a reason to have: 2000D, 500D, 60D and 7D.

No low-cost FF this year…b

If the specs are right this is just an upgraded 50d. This is pretty much what you would expect of a 60d with a “few” extras. The real test for this camera will be iso results. It needs to be at least one stop better than the 40d & 50d or it will be a failure in my opinion. Hopefully there is some new sensor improvement that canon has in the bag…..

If this sensor can perform anywhere close to the D300 level, this will be an incredible deal but that might be a tall order. With this kind of specs and at such a price (US $ 1700), it’s hard to argue against this camera. Let’s hope the new kit lenses don’t disappoint either. Come to think of it, this almost better than what Canon offered 2 years ago in the 1D mark III for three times the current price of $1700 and presumably without the AF flap.

The real question is not the sensor since it likely will at least match the 50D, at worst.

The real question is if it delivers pro AI Servo….

The 7d should outperform the D300s if the rumors are true…now the price is still yet to be announced.

+1000

I quit freebasing crack cocaine to fund more L lenses. Way more addicting.

Decided to investigate further.

Taken from an article in DXOMark comparing the performance of the 15 MP 500D vs 12 MP D5000:

1) “the Canon EOS 500D sensor is nevertheless an exceptional sensor with a very small pixel pitch and very low RAW noise”

2) “the Canon EOS 500D is a bit more color blind in comparison with the Nikon D5000. To compensate, a greater degree of color processing is applied, which increases (chroma) noise”

3) “the readout noise of Canon impacts its DR measurement”

As for diffraction, it’s been pointed out over and over again that the sensor has NOTHING to do with it. The sensor merely records the limitation of the lens.

So, why am I lukewarm towards 18 MP APS-C sensors? HUGE files. Unnecessary for my needs. I don’t like to go to XSi/40D either despite their lower pixel density ‘cos the limited dynamic range and chroma noise issues pointed out by DXOMark are still there.

Sigh.

Let’s wait and see what Canon comes up with. Then i’ll decide. But sofar i’m very happy with the specs.

That’s about the same as the D300s. Phew….

This looks about right, and likely replaces the 60d. Maybe the over $2K rumor is a new body. Maybe the next 1 series?

It makes marketting sense. Think of a sports car. It’s fast and has a lot of numbers in the engine, even if that power is never needed or used. Look at some of the posters and they’ve all got h*rd*ons for this camera.

I’d never buy a sports car (most people wouldn’t), but there is a market for it. Canon needs to make money, so are going for this…thing…I’d paint a racing stripe on it if I were Canon, and have it available in other colours.

As for me, I’ll hold out the hope for a FF at the same 18Mp (or less) and would be delighted if it’s 3fps (as is my Rebel).

cheers,

Chris

Where is that figure coming from?

If its at $1.7k it should be around 1.3-1.4k in less than a year’s time. :) This could be my 3rd body then. In the mean time I’ll be sticking with my 400D and 40D.

if those “7D” specs are real and if its gonna be FF, it will be a big slap across the faces of 5DII owners

I see, thanks.

Yes, but you aren’t getting any better AF with the Sony A850 either. :)

Sony makes DSLRs? :)

Does anyone actually care? This might be the photog-snob in me coming out, but I honestly can’t imagine a serious DSLR photographer w/ anything other than Nikon or Canon.

if the 7D is just 12MP, it could easily burst 12 or more FPS. :)

Tip your waitresses, I’ll be here all week.

9 years since canon released their first dslr..

4 years since they introduced a new ‘pro’ line(5d)

If I remember correctly–the 5d was ahead of it’s time, and is simply known as a classic!

Fast-forward 4 years.. Canon introduces the 7d..

As far as I can see.. There is no middle ground with this release. It is either going to be an engineering marvel and a classic for years to come..

Or the biggest flop in dslr history to date..

*the 50d struggles with 15mp and 3200 ISO..
yet the 7d has 18mp and an auto ISO to 6400..

Either there has been a HUGE improvement in canon’s sensor technology and the 7d is the next ‘classic’.. Or the ultimate ‘Fail’!

The rumors give you most of your wish list:
improved AF
DR to be determined, but I bet it is improved
8fps
good to great high ISO performance (to be seen when model is released and we see samples)
great resolution

The only diff between the rumors and your wish list is you wanted 13-14 MP and the 7D has 18MP

Say this is announced on the 1st September, what are peoples thoughts on when it will hit the shelves?

The 50D intro price was $1400.

For $300 you get better AF, pro metering (big one), 100% viewfinder, slightly faster fps, and more megapixels (hmm – is that better ;).

$300 more is OK for these, I guess.

18 megapixel in 1.6? utter crap. way to cater to megapixel race. I hope this is not true.

It’s 63 zones because it’s the same 63 zone meter that the 1 series use. If you think about it, the old 35 zone meter wasn’t an even number either, no? Sorry to be rude, but there’s generally at least one zone/AF point, so uneven AF point numbers=uneven metering zones

that’s it, bro… commit seppuku – you owe it to the rest of us. That joke is done.

Pro AF? 45 points?

Let canon have the balls to come up with a canon version of d700. Let the consumers prove if they still want 5dII. canon had to add video coz they dont want to give pro af and pro seals for 5d market segment

I’m not sure I understand when people say this is “just an upgraded 50D” when the rumored specs basically show every single component being different, with many features inherited from the xD lineup. It’s hardly a minor upgrade; it’s a lightweight pro body (just like what everyone says about the D300)

If this is 1699, it’s a steal. And at 1699 it will destroy Nikon D300s sales…it will be cheaper yet have more features.

This will be a very serious aps-c camera for a pretty darn good price.

Hopefully before Nov.

If not I hope we see a 5D2 restock before Nov.

The only other option I would have is eBay :(

My wish was for a FF, pro AF, 12-16MP camera. The 7D fails in every possible way.

**posted = poster

For me, Canon’s continued use of 1.6 crop seems to be a financial decision. As evidence by many posts consumers are ok with spending close to two thousand dollars on a cropped sensor. Why should Canon sell a superior product when they can continue to make money with a cropped sensor and sell EF-S lenses . Also, if FF is important the 5D is selling well enough. I, like many, was hoping for a $2000 FF to support my L lenses and enjoy the full benefits of FF. I still think there is a gap in the line from Rebel, 50D, 7D and 5D. A cheaper FF would fit in nicely, but not this year. At close to 2000.00 I might as well spend the extra for the 5D. That will be my next purchase if no FF come to the market sooner.

Which would not be bad thing. In fact it would be a far, far better thing than a 5D2 or 7D OR a 5D2 and a 7D….

IF it actually does AF better. The 50D has tons of cross points and they all (relatively) stink anyway.
And it sounds like they killed all of the critical helper points that are good for action photography.

Taken from Northlight on 12-Sep 2007:

“Canon is very excited about a next generation CMOS sensors they are working on. Two full frame versions have 40M and 50M pixels at the -same- noise level as the current 1D series. Low power supply voltages give cooler chips and lower noise even with smaller pixels. Different circuit fabrication techniques also promise to make close to 100% of the sensor area active pixels. This technology won’t make any of the upcoming models, but is expected in 2009/10.”

The 18 MP APS-C (equivalent to 47 MP FF) sensor is the first partial fulfillment of the above rumor two years ago.

“As for diffraction, it’s been pointed out over and over again that the sensor has NOTHING to do with it.”

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photography.htm

Wrong.

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photography.htm

Wow, I wish that were true….. if so it would destroy the competition…..and be a kick a_s camera! Put me on the preorder list…

Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Nikon get its sensors from sony and not actually design them? Whereas Canon designes is own SLR sensors? Maybe Canon is that far ahead?

I did read somewhere that the g11 does have a sony sensor in it which might explain the mp decrease & lack of HD video.

Is a 1.3 crop direct print button the same as a 1.6 crop one?

Uhhh…I can do sudoku..Is that the same as seppuku?

Or, it is proof that it is a bad idea to make predictions about when you can bring new technology to market.

One of two options is true:
1) the critics are right and Canon engineers totally overlooked what some commenters on this threat quickly got: that this is too many megapixels for a crop sensor, and thus the higher iso noise will suck. If only the execs at Canon had bothered to post something on a website like this asking for input before they made such a big mistake.

2) Canon knows what they are doing and will blow people away on Sept 1.

I vote for option 2.

Nobody cares what the neutral observer thinks!

Nikon is in dire straits financially. You won’t be hearing much from them in the next couple of years.

No Mirror? Count me out!

I would be absolutely shocked if Canon tried to charge 2700 for an APS-C camera,

so I don’t think you need to get all in a bunch just yet

you “know” it because the CR guy has already posted it? thanks Merlin, I’m glad you can read and pirate material at the same time

The 15 MP 500D/50D has SNR as good as the 12 MP D5000/D90/D300s at high ISO.

Canon’s problem is in read (electronic) noise. If they can tame that beast, we’ll see a marked improvement in DR.

The other issue with Canon is in their non-uniform color sensitivity which leads to chroma noise. Not sure how they’ll deal with that.

No EF-S lenses? They’re about to release EF-S 15-85 IS ad 18-135 IS.

Nikon doesn’t do that well with their wide angle lenses either apart from their groundbreaking 14-24 f/2.8. Take a look at the atrocious optical performance of their recently released DX 10-24 @ 10 mm. Yiiiikes.

Traditional upgrades I would expect to X0D line include

Sensor, maybe FPS (and if so then just minor), slightly changed body, HD video (this round anyways).

7D includes adds (according to the speculation/interpretation of many forum members here),

Pro autofocus,
100% viewfinder
New Sensor
DUAL cards
Wireless transmitter for flash
Pro metering
possibly no built in flash

Seems to me most of the rumored ‘features’ describe a camera vastly different from the X0D line. Only thing the same as the 50D is maybe the crop factor.

500D ~$900

7D ~$1,700

60D will fill in the gap very nicely at ~$1,300

it’s freaking awesome is what it is. can’t wait

Read carefully. What I was saying is that APS-H can t accept EF-S lenses. Canon has some good EF-S lenses, and many buyers have allready invested in EF-S. I was saying there would be no point in makeing 7D APS-H because of that. And I know what problems Canon has IQ wise. I m saying that with the technology currently shown to us, they can t make an 18mp sensor outpreform a 12-15mp one.

maybe. or maybe the 60D goes down to a $1300-1400 price mark and becomes basically a 50D with video capacity and some fairly minor tweaks. otherwise there’d be a pretty big gap in the line between the T1i and the 7D

you forget that in reality there’s a lot of room for products that people both love and hate. you don’t need 100% of the population to love your product for it to be a financial success, nor will you ever have everyone love a product. the Oly EP1 is probably the most heralded recent camera product on the market; there’s a fair share of people that can’t stand it, however (including myself).

just remember, you could be screaming disaster while lots of other people are cheering in the streets — and you could both be right at the same time. it’s a matter of opinion. ultimately, its Canon’s game to lose, so I’m pretty sure they’re taking what they do pretty seriously

With the 500D at about $800 and the 7D at $1,700 what do you suggest Canon should do with the $900 gap?

you’re an idiot!

Lies! The man of whom you speak does not exist. Or, he did so because he lost a bet.

I will buy this camera at this price. I think it’ll be a bomb!

Sorry for the misunderstanding but your previous post was a little hard to read. ;)

I agree the 18 MP sensor better spot some revolutionary technology. Or Canon will be made a laughing stock for starting a new camera line with a dud. LOL.

Absolutely wrong !

1) Sony A850 HAS video

2) Sony lenses are Leica… a little bit better than Canon (just a little bit… ? )

3) Sony sensors are used by canon for their compact… and both the great G11 and S90 use Sony sensors and not Canon.

So now… with a 24 M FF, auto HDR, video, 2K body… Sony kick them all. Canon and Nikon.

I am sorry, bu between a 24 M FF at 2K (Sony) and a 18 M 1.6 at 1800 USD … would oyu take the Canon ???

This HAS to be FF.

My apologies. You’re right. Go buy a Sigma DSLR.

indeed, cuz the specs are sorta better than the 5dmk2… minus the sensor which is still a mystery.

I say 1.6x
they arent going to hurt the 1 series yet… just dont know why they screwed up the naming system, now we’ll be forever lost

Ever hear of backside illumination? It’s a pretty sweet technology where the light actually shines through the back side of the silicon sensor. The benefit is the distance to the photosite is significantly reduced and the distance from the CFA (color filter array) is drastically reduced. It’s touted to improve noise performance by over two stops. Now guess who is the first company to bring this technology to market? Sony. Bummer hu because that mean Nikon has it too…

They SHOULD have made it:
Full Frame
12 MP
12 FPS
Pro AF
Pro Weather Sealed
Super High ISO

Perfect Camera…

:(

Well first, I don’t think gaps in price should dictate where new tiers are necessary, espcially since price is not a reflection of materials, man-labour costs, or even spec gaps but rather what the consumer will pay. I’ll admit though that money-tight photographers might be looking to upgrade from the xxxD without hitting $1,700.

If we say that the 50D will get split into two tiers in the next generation — something about the same or perhaps a little better than what one might have expected from the 60D and something a little less than what one might have expected from the 60D — then the 7D fills the first role while the spec of the 50D fills the second role just fine. It’s not so much that a camera between $800 and $1700 won’t fit or shouldn’t exist, just that spec-wise, it’s got to be between the 50D and 7D, which aren’t much more than a 1-year gap along them same xxD product line themselves. This basically means a camera that adds video to the 50D and just about nothing else (“50Ds”) at something like $1200-1300. Then again, I guess there will always be those who’ll buy it because it fits their needs and is simply less than the 7D. If that’s the case, I’d expect the forthcoming “50Ds” to be called the 60D, but it wouldn’t be the 60D people were expecting, which is more to my point above.

The 60D that was to be a great step up from the 50D (unlike its own step up from the 40D) will not see release. Maybe something along the lines of the “50Ds” branded as a 60D may see release, but nothing that’ll be a “killer” or “classic” for its respective tier. In other words, had the 7D been a $2700 beast pushing 12~15fps on a new kind of 18MP sensor, the 60D would still be something many would be looking forward to as a sizable upgrade to their 50D. As is, those 50D owners can almost certainly discount whatever the 60D turns out to be. They’re either looking at the 7D or nothing. That’s what I meant to say, more or less.

Then again, Canon may release a 60D that outdoes the 7D, and we’ll all be banging our heads on the wall trying to understand Canon as usual. ;)

Agreed on wanting a slightly higher FPS rate. This is regardless of the “18MP = more noise debate”, but adding to it, I wouldn’t have minded getting a 12~15MP sensor and a few more FPS out of it. It’d just mean even better noise control beyond whatever magic they’ve been able to work into 18MP.

Oh Snap!

Actually it’s the A900 that has video. My bad

Is the 1d2 16:9? Is the 1d3 16:9? Are they APS-H?

They SHOULD have made it 3D:
Full Frame
18+ MP
6+ fps
Pro 25pt AF (19 + 6 assists)

Perfect Camera…

they are just too stupid for not making 7D a full frame

Last checked,

the 1DmkIII runs a 28.7 x 18.7 mm (3:2) APS_H sensor
the 1DsMkIII runs a 36 x 24 mm (3:2) sensor
the 500D runs a 22.3 x 14.9 (3:2) APS-C sensor

Take a look at the small EOD 7D picture currently at the top of

http://www.canonrumors.com/

This picture clearly shows a flash release button to the left of the EOS 7D logo. This button is found on all xxD cameras – and they all have pop-up flash. Yet the rumored specs for the 7D apparently indicate no built-in flash. This info is in obvious conflict. The EOS 7D picture is a Photoshop job – or the 7D has built-in flash.

No mention of weather sealing ?

I will.

Bomb means failure. I’m a little confused by what you said.

None of the writing on that poster is clear enough to really make it out. I’ll believe what I see on Sept. 1st.

maybe he meant to type “da bomb”

I agree with you, and unfortunately the built-in flash (as simple and uncomplicated as it may be) is a requirement for me, because I know the day will come when I want to do a quick macro shot at F16 but I won’t have a twin flash with me.

As for it not being on the spec list: well, all the XXXD and XXD bodies had it and I don’t think it qualifies as “technological enough” to be added on the box. Just my views, and I REALLY REALLY hope it has a built in flash, and that it is just well hidden on the leaked/faked photos!

Because Canon is stupid – Nikon and Sony both can use Crop-Lenses on their FF bodies.

Actually it says, the smaller the pixels, the better:

“Are smaller pixels somehow worse? Not necessarily. Just because the diffraction limit has been reached with large pixels does not mean the final photo will be any worse than if there were instead smaller pixels and the limit was surpassed; both scenarios still have the same total resolution (although one will produce a larger file). Even though the resolution is the same, the camera with the smaller pixels will render the photo with fewer artifacts (such as color moiré and aliasing). Smaller pixels also provide the flexibility of having better resolution with larger apertures, in situations where the depth of field can be more shallow.”

This is what I am observing for more than 10 years of digital photography now.

You could always use a short extension tube to get rid of the mirror-hits-the-back-of-the-lens problem.

that would be SLOW paint peeling… not that ultra quick stuff ;)

that would be quite the serious mirror mechanism upgrade to do so.

no, these are “cold running sensors” with a lower bias voltage and far less dark current noise .. they also have some other tricks up their sleaves as well.

why do u need a built in flash? we only need external flash, thats it!

and lose infinity focus?

Or someone somewhere mixed up the specs between the 7D and the 60D.

you know what?

if canon can pull off a good image quality out of that sensor i’m quite happy it’s a aps-c. I love the 5d2 image quality, but for nature photography i miss the snappyness of the crop cameras (xxD) and the extended range. it would be a great complement to a 5D2.

depends on how the 7D is received.

Funny it still is!

Looks like half love it half hate it.
Let’s hope there is more than the 7D being released this year.

Does “RAW capture” sound better? I suspect that’s what is meant here.

In terms of CMOS image sensors I don’t think Sony can do anything Canon could not do. If anything its the other way round.

Sony brought the Exmor R backlit sensors. The verdict on image quality is still out, until serious tests on production samples of the new Alphas are available.

Canon could combine any or all of the measures in their next CMSO image sensors:

* lower voltage/cooler chips

* backlit design

* strill better gapless microlenses

* or even black silicium :)

I really hope the competitive situation has turned up the heat on Canon sufficiently to deliver big time with the 7D. Its about time the bring a real D300/s killer.

i vote for option 3:

sensor and IQ-wise no disaster but certainly nothing to be blown away by.

18 MP on APS-C in the 7D will deliver about the same image quality as a 40D and 50D.

dynamic range and noise will again remain at roughly the same level as before, while the increase in nominal sensor resolution (12 MP – 15 MP – 18 MP) brings no visible advantages in real world conditions.

Aside from that, if all other rumored specs of the 7D would indeed be correct (and will work as expected):

* greatly improved AF, especially Servo-AF/Tracking

* better metering

* 100% viewfinder

* including built-in wireless E-TTL2 flash control master

* MSRP of USD 1699

now that would “blow me away”.

I think it’s safe to suggest that the 50D was a “holding response” while Canon’s pre-designed roadmap played itself out – bear in mind that what we’re seeing now was first on a drawing board about three years ago.

“Read carefully.”

Paragraphs would help – seriously, you just press the “Enter” key a couple of times.

A question about the ISO range:

100-6400 but this means INCLUDED the H1 and H2 option or these last two are still outside of the range?

That’d mean 7D can reach 25600ISO …

Or, on the contrary, that’d means the highest “normal” ISO is 1600 then you have two further stops in the HIGH mode.

who knows about it?

I might. I don’t want FF, but I don’t have anything against FF either. Sensor size isn’t particurlary important. I’d like the camera be fairly small though. To me size and weight is more important than sensor size.

I agree with what someone else posted: no matter what Canon would release, half will love it and half will bash it.

It’s also funny to read people criticizing performance of a camera not even released or tested yet, as if they know things like the camera’s high iso performance.

Wait and see…I am sure the folks at Canon know enough to release a very good product, and one that may be groundbreaking.

quite simple:

half of us are waiting for an affordable professional-grade APS-C Canon -> (hopefully) the rumored 7D

and half of us are waiting for a fast, professional grade FF camera significantly smaller and cheaper than a 1Ds -> 3D

Sure, granted, we’re all waiting for a pro-class cropper, but surely not 18MP for a tiny APS-C sensor, at least make it APS-H! Or go back to 10-12MP if they really wanna use the APS-C size. Barring any miraculous CMOS sensor dev’t from Canon in the last year, it’s just 18Million diffraction-soft, noise reduction-smeared pixels.

“I don’t know how to put this but I’m sorta a big deal

people know me

I’m very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany.”

you know what interest me the most?

this means that the 1Ds mark IV could be a 47MP camera!!

full frame will always have better image quality than crop sensors, those who said they want crop sensor has no brain

I actually get better image quality with crop cameras (and no brain).

Maybe that’s a good sign for the 60D then. It could be that Canon want’s to please those who love high MP with the 7D and all those who cry now will be satisfied with a 12-14MP 60D.

Again, where is the movie function button on the poster?????????????????????????????

I think(hope) it’s fake!

I don’t need 18mp!

Why can’t Canon give us something that makes sense?

These are the real specs. What has everyone concerned is the 1.6 and 18mp, but everyone is thinking in terms of current sensor technology.

Canon MUST have a major new advancement in its sensor technology, this is the only thing that would make sense. The top standard iso modes of the 50d is 3200 and this camera appears to be 6400. Canon would not do this if the noise levels did not drop or at worst stay the same. If the noise is as good as the d300 or better, it will destroy it with these specs.

Yes yes everyone critizies the 50d like it’s the worst camera ever. The reality is it’s not a bad camera and it didn’t ruin Canon. It just was not a huge advancement over the 40d that everyone hoped, which combined with Nikon and Sony offerings caused it not to sell as well as prior models. As far as noise levels being better on the 40d, this is debatable by the pixel peepers, but given the sensor size increase there is no dramatic increase in noise.

Just my thoughts….

Pfft. If true, the marketing department pixel counters are pushing quantity over quality.

Even having the same noise level at the tired and crowded 15Mpix sensor today is step backwards.

I expected better, not more.

$1800!!! yes!

It’s untested. And for all you know, it may benefit small sensors most.

People forget that if it weren’t for the direct print button, we would still be living in the days of film. It was the industry’s demand for such an amazing feature that lead to the development of digital sensors.

I heard from a reliable source that dual digic 4 means it will NEED dual direct print buttons! happy shooting!

what if it had less noise than FF?

that’s a 5d, photochopped

That sounds exactly like a full frame 1D mkIV, that would cost $3.5k+, not a mid-range one at all.

I am not sure if this has been discussed/answered, but…

What will the size of the 7D be? The poster sort of looks like a 1D box, and with two Digic 4 processors in the belly, I assume/guess that it will be similar to a 1D.

“Why can’t Canon give us something that makes sense?”

Because what you want might be F’n stupid… I think that’s the case here.

Well, it’s twice as high as what the 50D indicated on the box – and it’s 18MP… It will be interesting to see the first couple of reviews, because you know the reviewers are really going to push the noise testing.

Did your parents drop you on your head when you were a baby?

Canon doesn’t advertise their H1/H2 speeds, so if it says 6400 on the box, there are likely two speeds above that.

Why is that interesting? What, other than curse them for eating you HD space, are you going to need 47MP for that you can’t do with 21MP?

those who think 7D will be better than 5dmk2, you may go to sleep now. keep dreaming :)

Noise on the 500D is not improved over the 50D. Where the hell are you getting that idea?

That would depend on the application. For studio work the 5D2 would be the obvious choice.

If the AF delivers though, the 7D would be the choice for action photography – which seems to be its intended market segment.

MOOOAAAARRRRR PIXELS.

Perhaps they want to sell you a new larger format printer as well!

All three will be correct in their own way 1, 2, & 3.

1. the people who wanted a “lord of darkness” will be disappointed, as will those who noticed the lack of contrast in the 15Mp APS-C cameras.

2. Sports people will be “blown away” by the better 8fps and an AF that can keep up (and will brag about the 18Mp being bigger than 15Mp). I’ll throw in birders too, who may actually need the 18Mp for cropping.

3. Everyone else will conclude that Canon was simply able to get roughly the same ISO performance as the 40D and 50D, with incremental tweaks.

It’s market segments people. That’s the key to understanding what Canon is doing. Sooooo….people like me have to speak loudly to say there’s a market for a less expensive FF (astronomy timelapse, indoor events, music concerts, and general low light).

cheers,

Chris

its because you’re gay.

you’re exactly the target market if this camera body holds up.

My walls at home remain the same size, and so the prints that i hang on them…

I just checked my 5d2 and 50d boxes:

The advertised ISO on each are:

5d2 = 6400
50d = 3200

So the advertised ISO 6400 will be within the 7d’s auto range.. And a H1 and H2 on top of that

I think it’s very possible that the video mode will be better in some ways. Northlight mentions 24/25/30/60 fps. The read-reset time on the sensor could be better too so we get less jello-effect when panning the camera.

Way back in the days of film APS-H had a 16:9 ratio. 15mp APS-C would work out to about 18mp wide APS-C if you kept the vertical height the same. Maybe a week ago I would have seriously entertained the notion of a wide sensor, but given the realistic specs on this camera it clearly seems the video feature will be an added goodie and not its primary function (like the 5DII)

First the sensor of T1i and 50D are the SAME except that 50D as 4 channels, whereas T1i only has 2, which means that actually… 50D is MUCH better than T1i.

Unsurprisingly !

I like the way you think, maxxevv. I hope it’s true. It’s the only theory I’ve heard that puts some sense behind an 18mp APS-C format that is also somehow highly sensitive and low noise.

Why your so sure that new sesor is worse than any other?
Are you master physicist and top engineer to say that 18mp = bad IQ AND you work in canon JP so you can state that NEW sesor is bad. NOONE is actualy seen it, so judging anything is a bad idea.

IMHO: Sensor @ 18 MP will deliver same Noise as 40D with improved DR, period.

If the 7D with the current specs turns out to be as good as the 5D MKII with a small sensor than wait for the 1D MKIV. That will be an all around DSLR killer. It just might look like this:

USA $6999 Body

17-20mp Improved FF CMOS

– Dual Digic 5 Proccesors-

– 11-16 FPS

– 45-60 Improved AF Points

– ISO 100-12800. L-50, H1-25600, H2-51200 up to 2-Stops improvement in noise from 5D MKII.

– 63-70 Improved Metering zones

– 100% viewfinder with Horizon Meter

– 3.25-3.50″ OLED HD LCD

– 1080p, 720p 60/30/24FPS HD Video

-In-Camera Editing

And don’t forget 3 Direct Print Buttons!!!!!

hey guys, it seems from this http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/ufiles/66/362266.jpg that the 7D will get the AF Assist light, similar to Nikons? Near the shutter button (white round shape) and is it me or the LCD looks positioned really low and the wheel has been moved a bit further out nearer to the grip and that the top display looks more slanted then previous?

Are you F’n blind? You can see the split on the top of the body where the flash is, AND the button for it on the left.

This also looks like it matches the previous 7D pictures, including the plastic top piece picture.

Do you really think they want a $2700 to $7000 gap? With struggling newspapers, etc. For all pros to the $7000 per body level??

now after seeing the 7D pic (see my recent comment), I wonder if I should jump to Nikon or not, hmmm…the built-in flash commander does sounds interesting and one of my reason to jump to Nikon, I do prefer the vast selection of Canon lenses but I love Nikon lenses as well, I do prefer Nikon ergonomic but as from the pic, it seems Canon decided to update its ergonomics, hmmmmmm

Too many megapixels is not really bad. I have 50D and my 15MP image already covers 3 monitors at 100%. Approximately 9-12 years from now the same image will be equivalent to 1920×1200 where it will fit on a single monitor. You might not need it now but my 1 year old kit surely will appreciate me taking raw images of her in the most number of megapixels.

well, it is interesting because this is a MF area. Suddenly, people who want High Mega pixels have would have an option other than MF. + the chearful geeky part of it. Just imagine telling someone that your camera got 47mega pixels which is 4 times as much as any high end p&s.

Personally, I’m pleased with my 5d mkII and my customrs are also as pleased. So unless there is a demand for a higher pixel then I’m not upgrading.

you’re right!

I love all the brilliant people that keep pointing to this article. You are COMPLETELY misreading the article if you think it claims that higher pixel density changes diffraction limit at all. Pixel density has NOTHING to do with diffraction. It is purely a function of aperture vs sensor size.

Well you’re a fukcing idiot too!

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