Off Brand: Sony 36mp full frame sensor capable of 4K at 480fps leaks

Don Haines · Dec 1, 2018

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4fun · Dec 1, 2018

128 GB SD Cards and 8 TB disks are very affordable. I am fully prepared for 8k images. Stills, what else.

4k @ 460 fps. lol. what for?
but "innovative" Canon may be in for some tough times once the videots start to demand it ... for every camera.

Don Haines · Dec 1, 2018

Shooting 4K video on a 5D4 consumes 4GB per minute. If things scalled linearly, that would mean that jumping from 30fps to 480fps would jump the storage requirement up to 64GB per minute, or approximately 1GB per second. Good luck storing that on a memory card!

HOWEVER!, video encoding is based on differences between frames, and it is safe to assume that if you are sampling 16 times faster, that the differences between frames will become much smaller. I would be guessing that at 480fps the files would be in the order of about 4 times larger than at 30fps, but this will be very interesting to see.....

Graphic.Artifacts · Dec 2, 2018

It seems increasing difficult to imagine that Canon or their customers are going to be OK with watching Sony sensor development sail off into the future without them. At Canon's current pace they look to be years away from reaching comparable specs and who knows what Sony will be up to by then. Something's gotta give.

Graphic.Artifacts · Dec 2, 2018

1 Second of 480 fps would probably conform in-camera to 20 seconds at 24 fps or something comparable so it's not as much data as it sounds. Presumably there would be a time limit on recording at that speed since the heat generated would be significant. Sharp 4K at 120 fps with AF would be plenty for me but 480 fps for short bursts could be amazing if they could get it to work. Sounds more like FS7 level stuff but if they can get an A series camera to do that it would be very impressive.

CanonFanBoy · Dec 2, 2018

*Stills photographer shrugs his shoulders and opens another beer.*

This just in: Sony plans to enter the cooling tower business.

Don Haines · Dec 2, 2018

Graphic.Artifacts said:
1 Second of 480 fps would probably conform in-camera to 20 seconds at 24 fps or something comparable so it's not as much data as it sounds. Presumably there would be a time limit on recording at that speed since the heat generated would be significant. Sharp 4K at 120 fps with AF would be plenty for me but 480 fps for short bursts could be amazing if they could get it to work. Sounds more like FS7 level stuff but if they can get an A series camera to do that it would be very impressive.

My P/S does 480fps video, but at very reduced resolution and only for 20 seconds at a time. You can get some interesting results! 4K at that rate would be astounding, provided you had the right subject matter to take advantage of.

Don Haines · Dec 2, 2018

CanonFanBoy said:
*Stills photographer shrugs his shoulders and opens another beer.*
This just in: Sony plans to enter the cooling tower business.

I am very tempted to film opening a beer at 480fps and posting it, but alas, I have no beer!

Graphic.Artifacts · Dec 2, 2018

I get that most people still don't care about video. With DSLR's you could make the argument that video spec's didn't matter. However, a mirrorles camera is essentially a video camera that has been modified to shoot individual frames. The issues that are holding back Canon's video performance are going to make it very difficult for them to market a competitive mirrorless camera.

Sorry but that's just the way it is. If you are happy with Canon's DSLR's than don't worry about it. If you want a competitive mirrorless from Canon you should be very worried.

bhf3737 · Dec 2, 2018

Graphic.Artifacts said:
It seems increasing difficult to imagine that Canon or their customers are going to be OK with watching Sony sensor development sail off into the future without them. At Canon's current pace they look to be years away from reaching comparable specs and who knows what Sony will be up to by then. Something's gotta give.

Apparently Canon has already developed a production model of 8K@60P video camera meaning that it is not behind in that sense. Sony is yet to put its rumored high spec sensor into a usable camera.

4fun · Dec 2, 2018

Graphic.Artifacts said:
. If you want a competitive mirrorless from Canon you should be very worried.

I don't ever capture video. If Canon cannot keep up with video specs on their sensors, it does not matter at all to me. Actually I would love to buy an excellent "pure stills" mirrorfree FF camera from Canon. Without any video/audio recording, codecs and stuff in it.

Del Paso · Dec 2, 2018

4fun said:
I don't ever capture video. If Canon cannot keep up with video specs on their sensors, it does not matter at all to me. Actually I would love to buy an excellent "pure stills" mirrorfree FF camera from Canon. Without any video/audio recording, codecs and stuff in it.

Me too !!!!

sdz · Dec 2, 2018

The Law of Diminishing Returns explained. There might be sensible uses for this expansive capacity. But many of the videographers in the world have managed quite well without it these many years.

480 FPS -- it's a bit like having a 1000 HP car. This car is used for what that a car with 400 HP, underpowered as it is, could not do?

TAF · Dec 2, 2018

So if we downscale from 4K/480 to VGA (640x480) we should get almost 8000 fps (did I do that math correctly?)

Now that is something I would like to have at an affordable price.

Graphic.Artifacts · Dec 2, 2018

A mirrorless camera starts capturing video the moment you turn it on regardless of whether you chose to permanently record it. What do you think you are seeing in the EVF? It's a video camera that has advanced capabilities to save individual frames of video as stills.

dak723 · Dec 2, 2018

I do shoot video and this is about the last thing I would want.

Plus, I have two mirrorless cameras and would not under any circumstance consider them to be "video cameras modified to shoot individual frames." It is just like my old DSLRs in every way but has no mirror.

awair · Dec 2, 2018

4fun said:
I don't ever capture video.

+1

Don Haines said:
I am very tempted to film opening a beer at 480fps and posting it, but alas, I have no beer!

I think there is potential for a very interesting learning curve! Ready to order...

crazyrunner33 · Dec 2, 2018

Don Haines said:
Shooting 4K video on a 5D4 consumes 4GB per minute. If things scalled linearly, that would mean that jumping from 30fps to 480fps would jump the storage requirement up to 64GB per minute, or approximately 1GB per second. Good luck storing that on a memory card!

HOWEVER!, video encoding is based on differences between frames, and it is safe to assume that if you are sampling 16 times faster, that the differences between frames will become much smaller. I would be guessing that at 480fps the files would be in the order of about 4 times larger than at 30fps, but this will be very interesting to see.....

The 5D Mark IV uses a 4K codec that was born when MC Hammer's Hammer Time was polluting the radio. DSLRs are starting to use more efficient codecs, LIKE

Don Haines said:
Shooting 4K video on a 5D4 consumes 4GB per minute. If things scalled linearly, that would mean that jumping from 30fps to 480fps would jump the storage requirement up to 64GB per minute, or approximately 1GB per second. Good luck storing that on a memory card!

HOWEVER!, video encoding is based on differences between frames, and it is safe to assume that if you are sampling 16 times faster, that the differences between frames will become much smaller. I would be guessing that at 480fps the files would be in the order of about 4 times larger than at 30fps, but this will be very interesting to see.....

Let's not compare video with the 5D Mark IV's 4k codec that's so inefficient that it uses space that's almost equal to compressed RAW. While the 5D Mark IV parties up with it's codec that was made popular when MC Hammer was polluting the radio, other DSLRs have been switching to using H.265.

The benefit of these 4K specs will be rolling shutter, a sensor that can read that fast will result in low rolling shutter in 4K and even 8K.

Don Haines · Dec 2, 2018

awair said:
+1

I think there is potential for a very interesting learning curve! Ready to order...

I tried the bursting of a balloon shot. At 480fps it went from full to gone in one frame

Must try beer..... and if it does not work, try and try again....

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