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Coming announcements
What to expect from Canon as far as PowerShots go?
PowerShot G11
10mp CMOS
It will be a larger sensor, size unknown
PowerShot SX10 HD
10mp CCD
HD Video added
PowerShot Touch
A large touchscreen compact
Nothing else too exciting to report at this time.
cr
Excellent I’m interested in the G11 I almost bought a G10 the other day to replace my G7. Are we expecting this to be out by mid September?
Hej,
Maybe G11 with the same sensor size and 10 Mpixel CMOS can be interesting, larger sensor size, I wonder how much they will copy panasonic and have a short but fast zoom.
Touchscreen PS : don’t need that, let that for IXUSes.
SX10 HD : don’t need that, why is there SX1 ?
Canon, try and improve image quality, bring back PAvTvM and old PS look, I need an A730 IS or something like that, I won’t buy a camera without a grip and without PAvTvM.
I don’t know… but all this talk about going for larger sensors is almost a sure sign Canon has conceded defeat to Sony/Nikon as far as sensor design is concerned. Every equivalent sensor from Canon (21 MP FF vs 24 MP FF, 12 MP APS-C vs equivalent) has poorer dynamic range at low ISO and poorer noise performance at high ISO.
Too bad Canon doesn’t include RAW mode in their P&S line (D10 specifically). The Digic 4 processor supports that format so why not included it? I find it interesting there’s no mention of GPS in any of the P&S models. That seems to be a pretty hot consumer wish-list item.
A larger sensor on a point and shoot, concedes defeat to Sony???
Current Canon point and shoot cameras generally use Sony CCD sensors, so I’d say that Canon is deciding that they can do better is a loss for Sony.
I think something is brewing on SX front.
Why? Because SX110 has disappeared from Costco, Amazon (it shows one from J&R) and other retailers too.
last time I checked, the 5DMKII has almost the same noise characteristics (yes maybe a little more banding or whatnot) as the Nikon D700 (which it is the equivalent of, not the D3X) … but is 22MP over 12MP. dynamic range is an issue that Canon really needs to work on though, I agree
if this is true and the G11 is only 10MP rather than 15MP like the G10 or even 12MP like the G9, does this signify the end of Canon attempting to lead everyone in sheer MP output? the implications for the DSLR lineup is interesting. while I don’t like Nikon’s rule of handicapping all of its cameras at 12MP (with the exception of the D3X and now the D300s), I think everyone’s been wondering for a long time what the 50D could have been as a 12MP camera, or what kind of output we’d see from a 16MP or 18MP FF CMOS sensor
I’d love Canon to add exposure bracketing to SX200 (gotta love those HDRs), because the direction the G-series is moving toward (I love 35-210mm in my G7) does not satisfy me…
Would be nice if the G11 has a 24-70 or 24-105mm lens.
SX1 uses Canon’s own CMOS, with limited production and high price, it would be reasonable to have another one which is HD-capable and have a more constant supply(as welly as cheaper)
But I doubt it won;t have as much FPS as SX1, since SX1 archived 4FPS by virtue of its quick CMOS.
Is it silly to want the G11 to have GPS integrated? I almost purchased the G10 this year but was waiting, and crossing my fingers, that the G11 would see GPS + HD video. I would be happy with just GPS but since the other P&S have HD video now, it would seem odd to leave it out of the G11.
Anyone heard any rumors at all about Canon & GPS?
Yeah, me too!
+1
Wonder if Nikon will survive:
Wednesday 5th August 2009
Nikon expects to make a net loss of 28 billion yen for the year ended 31 March 2010
Canon is putting GPS tracking on the direct print button!
The G10 has a 28-140mm, maybe a 24-120? Not sure how a bigger sensor would effect the lens size/focal length.
The G10 does RAW
Until they bring back some tilt&swivel screens, I don’t think I have any reason to buy any Canon P&S again (or SLR for that matter).
These guys have been trying so hard to catch up with Panasonic and the rest in producing pocketable one-click cameras for the masses (smile detection?) they’ve lost all their appeal to some other folks (like me) who don’t like to carry around a SLR just to get a decent shot (see the latest A series with pretty much nothing manually controllable).
I just hope you’re wrong about the nothing else part :-)
Well I hope the part about the larger sensor and reduced megapixels is true. I’m still waiting for the end of the megapixel race before I buy a point and shoot again… Though Sony just came out with a new sensor design supposedly twice as sensitive, I’ll have to see if that lives up to the hype as well.
The end of the megapixel race has started. This Summer trend is the 10 megapixel CMOS to get better image quality. Imagine That. Today Sony has announced the Cyber-shot DSC-WX1. also with 10 megapixel and a 5x zoom starting at 24mm equivalent and f/2.4.
Would love to get a tilting screen.
Hej, yeah and it will cost 400 euros and not 300 like the SX10 because it got HD video… How is the canon CMOS more expensive than buying CCD from sony ? I think it was 50% more expensive marketing wise, not because of production costs, I may be wrong of course. But if you are right, the G11 will cost 600 euros ?
Their stupid video format made me almost give up making videos with the SX10. Hope they change that at least.
Anyway if they release a G with CMOS and no more CMOS bridge, I don’t get their strategy.
Excellent point.
From the grapevine, the new young batch of Nikon management is very aggressive. Yes, they’ve stopped the loss of market share to Canon after the release of their D300/D3/D700/D3X. Yes, they’ve put out extremely competitive products. Some of their products are still unsurpassed in their respective classes.
The question is: at what price? The cost price of the D300 is surely much higher than that of the 40D/50D, but it is not selling that much more expensive. What’s worse is that it’s also not selling too well either (just look at bcnranking, for example). Then, there’s D3 vs D700. Who wants to purchase the D3 when the D700 has nearly everything on the D3 at a much lower price? I must say this is poor marketing. Wonder how long they can keep this up…
a real pro compact is missing , I have bought a Powershot G10 and sold it after 2 months
How about an a660 — swivel/tilt screen, 5X zoom, 4 AA batts (which I love, but not everyone else), and add HD movie and GPS. It also has an integrated grip and VF. I’d go for that in a second. Don’t know why they killed that thread of the a series. Maybe to protect their G line sales, but instead of the G10, I went panasonic for small cam and got another lens for the DSLR (I buy used lenses, so that doesn’t help them either)
About the G11, I own a 40D and G10. If they could stuff the 40D sensor into a G10 body or even slightly larger, make a 1-stop improvement in the sensor noise level and put a 24-120-equivalent lens and a tilting screen on it, I’d be happy.
A 24-120 lens which has to illuminate an APS-C sensor wouldn’t be all that compact though.
Now that Sony has officially released their backlit CMOS technology in their latest compact cameras, Canon is really in the pits if they cannot offer anything comparable to that. All Canon does is… increase sensor size? How pathetic.
dude I’m really not sure what your problem is with increased sensor sizes. all else being equal, larger photosites equal better images. and until we see what Sony’s Exmor R is actually capable of, it’s far too early to jump to conclusions. while Fuji’s compact sensors are recognized as simply the best in compact cameras, you’d be hard pressed to say any Fuji 1/1.6″ sensor can do as well as an APS-C. so please explain the sensor size hate
Plus their P&S line blows, and has to be sucking them into the negative big time. And this new one with the built in projector, you gotta be friggin kidding me, who is going to buy that gimmick especially in this economy? And how orignial is it going to be when Apple and all the other cell phone companies have one too.
Maybe another company will buy Nikon? Who’s got the deep pockets and could use a pro-DSLR line? Panasonic maybe?
I totally agree. The T&S LCD screen is about the only thing that would get me buying a G11.
maybe it is the end of MP race for P&S’s, for the time being the focus will probably be on HD video, but look at Sony’s 24 MP FF line up – you know it’s on in the DSLR race.
The G10 is not exactly a pocket cam…I suspect Canon is looking to compete against the EP1 m43 line – it’s the advanced travel/vacation market these cameras appeal to.
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Are you saying Sony’s a900 sensor beats the 5DII’s sensor? That is laughable, the a900 can barely do an image without noise above iso 200.
Thing is, you have to explain to the hobbyists that more mp does not equal more quality.
I know, and that’s why Canon hasn’t reduced MPs yet on any camera successor … so here’s to the possibility that they might bite the bullet and change tack with this one. I think word is spreading though, all of my non-photography friends have recently commented that they have heard that more MP doesn’t equal better pictures. now it’s just a question of making them understand why that’s true. that just takes some smart marketing
I agree, the G10 is not a pocket cam, but it is still somewhat compact. At least compared to a 24-120 lens, equivalent to an EF-S 15-75. The EF-S 17-85 is not really small.
But an EP1-like camera with interchangeable lenses and a few nice and new pancake lenses would be great!
It depends on how well the collapsible lens is made – it might be huge telescoping out when the camera turns on, but when it collapses down into the body when shut off it should be only slightly larger than the G10. There’s no mount system to bulk it up.
They are not going to go from 14.7 MP to 10 MP on the G11. Never gonna happen, nor should it. Also, I suspect the only people wondering what the 50D would have been like at 12 MP are you and a couple of other CR readers.
Hej, I agree with gusto in one way : when others (olympus, panasonic and sony) come up with inovative stuff (micro4/3 compacts and new sensor technology), canon is gonna release a G11 with what could be expected from the G9 and G10… Bigger sensor with less pixels, and that means small zoom on a compact, too, or a slow lens.
I think the future is new sensors technology, with small sensors producing cleaner high ISOs, just because people want a bit of zoom, and not a slow F5.
Maybe it’s also super fast autofocus and very high frame rate, but canon isn’t going there either atm.
I’m no lens designer, but I’d guess that the mount part is negligible compared to the required resolving area and light gathering capabilities (not many would fancy an f/6.3-8 lens for instance. People even complained about the F/4 on the Sigma DP1).
I don’t want to sound like such a sourpuss, but it’s just that I myself has so long hoped for a compact camera with a ‘wide-to-short tele’-zoom lens and large sensor, but come to realize that it’s probably not doable in the foreseeable future. But with some compromises it might still be interesting (narrower zoom area, smaller sensor etc).
If groundbreaking changes in small or densely packed sensors can reap lots of benefits, imagine the possibilities when these changes are applied in larger sensors.
Precisely. Innovation is the key here.
you may well be right
well you call an increase in sensor size pathetic, but that sounds like innovation to me
Hej, it’s innovation if they can keep a fast lens and the same zoom range as G10, otherwise there is nothing new, they could have done it 2 years ago, it’s just a different design, and I feel it will look like last year’s LX3…
so true…$500 cheaper though, push down FF price, woo hoo
less MP does not necessarily mean better pictures either. there’s plenty of crappy low MP cameras on the market. all this MP bashing is BS, it’s a camera per camera issue.
somehow I don’t think they’d release a G11 that was not an improvement over the G10, which is by far the best in it’s class, so Canon is only topping themselves with a G11 at this point.
T&S lcd screen, and a proper, fast (f2) lens – how much longer do canon want me to hang on to the G3?
If they can just make the lens of the SX10 faster at tele it would be great. F5.7 is way too slow. A 720p HD video + at least a 1/2 stop faster lens at tele would make me buy it (and maybe some in camera cromatic aberations correction). If not, Panasonic FZ38 is my future camera (with its F4.4 at tele, and even F3.5-F4.0 at focal lenghts where the Canon has F5.0). I really want to stick to Canon, but they need to provide a little more.
Larger sensor doesn’t only give the benefit of lower noise. Even if EXMOR R can produce lower noise, larger sensors would still beat it in terms of CA, Bokeh, Dynamic Range and Diffraction limits at small apperture.
If Canon wants to introduce a large sensor P&S, I think G11 with fixed lens would be a good platform.
I always thought that interchangeable lens is mostly hype in compact cameras. The m43 started with only 2 lenses and whatever comes after that costs a lot. I owned the G1 and EP1 before and both times I realized that in order to make full use of interchangeable capabilities, I have to invest heavily into a new system that is never going to be as good as my primary system. Besides, some of these other lenses would make the camera bigger, thus defeating the initial intention of having a second, smaller camera to complement my primary dSLR.
Besides, the G1 and EP1 is nowhere near being pocket cameras. Now, my PnS is a true PnS in the form of f200EXR.
If the G11 can be a compact camera with APS-C sized sensor and a decent fixed lens, eg 24-105. I think it will be enough for most purpose and still remains compact.
Canon would also not need to worry about creating a new mount and a new set of lenses.
Hej, dynamic range can be improved with sensor technology (see fuji), I suppose. You have no reason to shoot at slow apertures on a small sensor, cause you need light and you have a large DOF anyway, and diffraction comes in very fast, you are right. CA ? you mean chromatic aberrations ? Those come from the lenses ?
Remains bokeh, which I’m no fan of anyway.
Small sensor will continue to exist, and improve, at least because there are bridges and video cameras which need them, and compact/ultracompacts. A clean 800 ISO would be something huge on a 1/2.5′ sensor… I’m sure it will happen, but within 2 years, 5 years… Who knows.
But so few rumors 10 days before the announcement ? Either canon hides its secrets well, or it is that bad that it’s not even worth leaking anything.