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What's coming?
Canon has switched up a couple of announcement dates over the last year. The Rebel XS and T1i not coming at big shows. They also replaced the 40D and XSi after one year (give or take a month).
We will see 2 new lenses announced before christmas as well as at least 1 DSLR. The 50D replacement should be coming. Not too many people see it being replaced with a full frame model. What specs do you take away from the 5D Mark II to come in at a lower price point?
The other camera people are lusting over is the 1D Mark 4 (or whatever it'll be called). Good folks are telling me not to expect it in 2009. Canon is more than willing to go into 2010 with the Mark III's.
All these questions should start heating up soon.
Rating System
Going to think of a new way to make the rating system better and more reliable. As I posted in the comments, It's hard to rate information from new sources. I have to wait and see if they come through. All I ever seem to rate information is CR2 and CR4.
The ratings are good, and if I don't rate I get a bit of grief :). I'll figure something out over the next week.
This IS a rumors site, not everything I get is going to be true. I do filter the far fetched stuff out. I also post stuff strictly for discussion purposes. Who knows, maybe someone that matters is reading this site and your opinions.
As far as lens rumors go, I'm going to only post stuff from a couple of sources. Both have been right in the past.
cr
what kind of new lenses ? 24-70 IS and a new 50mm 1.4 ??
Perhaps some way of letting us know what else each source has revealed in the past? A tagging system would be ideal, but I guess that might reveal a bit much about your sources…
you are doing just fine… love the site as it is
The 50D replacement or ID Mark IV isn’t coming this year because Canon *JUST* came out with 50D last year, why jump after an year?
40D to 50D was a year. I have it from a good source that Canon wants to do a one year product cycle for the Rebels and XXD cameras. Like the 40D though, Canon will keep the replaced XXD camera current.
So do I. Good job, thanks.
because the 500D just ate a lot of 50D customers. the XXD line is now in need of much more differentiation.
“What specs do you take away from the 5D Mark II to come in at a lower price point?”
Let’s take the question by the other end : “What specs do you add to make a 50D a 15Mpixel FF body?”
A bigger sensor. That’s it.
No bigger memory buffers (as pixel count is identical), no faster Digic, no nothing.
The same awesome 9-point AF system.
60D is gonna have HD video , thats for shure. Hopefully a better AF system. come on Canon, Nikon d300 has 51 af points!
Hopefully it will NOT have more mpixels.
My dream specs for the 60D would be:
– 12 mp Full Frame sensor, With ISO quality the same as Nikon d700
– 45 AF points autofocus (Same as 1d series)
– HD video
– Weather sealed
– 8fps
– Price below the 5d mII, but not by much.
good job CR….cant wait for the lens announcements… Im glad that Canon isn’t sticking to trade shows as much (Apple is doing the same)… I think it allows manufacturers more flexibility to roll out products when they are ready and not when some show dictates.
yep… i have a feeling the xxD line might go into FF or APS-H territory… though then again, maybe not
would probably be 16mpx then… they already made an FF sensor like that… they’d just have to change the architecture of the microlenses…
The death of the trade show is imminent. I can see PMA going away.
Photokina every 2 years makes a lot of sense, other than that.. they seem to be a waste of resources.
never going to happen…. that would steal 1D(III) users…. either change the price to higher than the 5D (and call it a 3D) or knock down AF to the usual 9 point and the fps to no more than 4 to price it below the 5D mkII…. frankly, they might do that, then do a 16mpx FF fast 3D and consolidate the 1D series into 1, ultimate high MPX, high frame rate cam
How long is supposed to be the product cycle for the 5D Mark II?
Supposed date for its replacement announcement?
Thanks a lot!
+1, keep up the good work!
They come out with cameras way too fast. It’s going to taper off at some point. Really, what more can a camera do?
to cook, turn on your TV, wash your clothes, take the children to school… there are lot of things :)
fully develope video and I can see eventually everything being super hi-res video and still photography just being frame grabs…. you can also get improved dynamic range and in-camera HDR…. finally, they could develope some new chip technology (or perhaps start using front illuminated chips) and develope work-arounds the sensor filters thus yielding full spectrum (well, extended spectrum) cameras…. there is a lot of really cool stuff that can be done…. hopefully they’ll run out of gimicks and start incorporating some real neat features soon…. oh yea, 1x, 100% viewfinders would be nice too…. and olympus OM-1 had one and that was how many years ago? I just switched to a 5D from a cropped camera and while the VF is definetely and improvement there is still a ways to go.
woops…make that back-illuminated…my bad
Do you think we may still see a 5d mark 2 firmware update soon?
Terrific site, very helpful in making buying decisions. I was about to pull the trigger on a 40D but instead chose to wait out the new 500D based on your “rumors”. Turned out to be a good thing; with a 2-month old baby at home, I can definitely find great use for the HD recording at the ~$800 price point, especially given that I already have the 24-70, 70-200 2.8IS (along with an XTi).
24-70mm Æ’/2.8L USM with IMAGE STABILIZER?
Let me check your medical records…
…Ah, appears you have a bad anxiety disorder where you cannot hold the lens perfectly still.
Really, 24-70mm don’t need IS, neither do 16-35mm Æ’/2.8L USM or 17-40mm Æ’/4L USM.
I have a solution for you… Buy a D700 as primary body because it have 51 points AF, 8FPS ability when using vertical grip (MB-D10), 12MP full frame FX sensor, and it is around $2,500 nowadays (watch out for Nikon rebates, they are that mysterious).
Sadly, no HD video but you can buy a $200 camcorder for that.
RED camcorders can use a screen grab from two minutes long movie as a high resolution photograph, unless you are willingly to pay over $75,000 for the combo.
How long is supposed to be the product cycle for the 5D Mark II?
Supposed date for its replacement announcement?
Yes, the taper off point is here more or less, the economic depression will set things right.
So many manufactures released so many cameras at such insane rates because cash was easy to get hold of. Well, not anymore.
Expect lots of names to go under in the next year or so, and product cycles for anything else than low cost consumer cameras to go back to 2-3 years as cash flow to R&D dries out. You will get a better idea about all this in about 6 months I suppose.
LOL
I think Canon wants to keep the two segments very similar. Which is unfortunate. The real advantage for photography in the xxD series is the small sensor. I know, that sounds weird, but it is an advantage for action shooters and and wildlife shooters who need more reach. So, that said, Canon should really reconsider the audience for this xxD segment (shouldn’t rely on the people with big hands market anymore).
Does this mean a new camera segment. I think it could. Call it 60Dn. That means, improve autofocus, more sensors (18), more cross type sensors; weather sealing; keeping megapixels in the range of mortals (less than 20 to maintain low noise at high ISOs, so important for fast shutter speed; larger 100% viewfinder; higher rated shutter (200,000 count please). This camera should sell for $1800.
Now if canon wished to keep the big hands entry-level camera it could easily just cripple the above camera’s specs call it a 60D and charge $1299.
I know calling a 50D a big hands version of the T1i is too simplistic, but it’s not that far off. Canon has a very strange camera lineup right now that has wholes in it.
Should be interesting to see where they go from here. There are going to be a lot of unhappy people as usual, but Canon creates this angst with their odd product differentiation.
Canon glass is where it’s at anyway. Ignore above comments.
24-70 IS 2.0, 500 f5.6 IS, 100-400 f4-5.6 IS. Oh the possibilities.
*holes
My GUESS for the 60D
APS-C 17mp (just because I don’t believe canon will stay with 15mp [or lower])
better AF (11/13/15 points)
HD video – a combination of the 5DmkII and 500D’s video.
ISO 200-6400 +100(L)& 25600(hi)
DIGIC V
7 FPS
OPTION 2:
similar specs but with an APS-H sensor and is compatible with EF-S lenses
what do you think
simple question, no answer… just a laugh…
If someone remember, or knows, the supposed cycle for the 5D Mark II, can tell please?
Thaks.
Better question when is the 5D mkII N with real AF coming? (and presumably video fixes)
Ansmwer: After the 1-series have an AF system more comparable to a Jet fighter’s targeting system.
NO. 1 series will not merge because you cannot get extreme resolution and excellent high ISO noise characteristics in a single sensor. END STATEMENT. There’s also the issue of getting a high frame rates at high resolution as well. Don’t be overly surprised if Canon did something like that, but only if the mkIV 1-series is amazing in terms of specs.
APS-H won’t happen because of mirror hitting the rear group elements on ef-s lenses due to back focus distance. It would also make a prosumer body on what is (and still will be at the time in august) a professional series only sensor format. I think 15MP, Canon has kept resolutions before (20D to 30D). I can’t imagine them starting ISO at 100, that’s just not what canon does. I could see a 100-6400 sensor, but only if the mkIV can do a 100-12800 normal range.
About 3 years, based on the 5D to 5DmkII, possibly 2 if they speed things up.
“that” is the ‘3D’ idea
Wow this guy’s serious. Supposed date… let me look into my crystal ball… it’s becoming clearer… clearer… oh I can’t type that.
Much easier if you quit whining and praying to me for a new 5D Mark II replacement before your bedtime. Simply pick up the 5D Mark II your local camera dealer already have to offer and use it right away, don’t wait.
Wasn’t the 40D better featured than the 5D? In the same way, the upcoming 60D will have better features than the 5D2… except for the FF sensor of course.
That would be the death to photography. You wouldn’t really need to be a photographer anymore, just a person to push a button. The magic will be lost. The medium will fade.
Yeah in 2-3 years. Expect the price to drop then.
yeah, have fun properly lighting stuff with with that continuous shooting thing. Oh, btw, normal people use motor drive when they need them, not for self stimulation.
hopefully a real AF system :)
If Canon put a FF sensor in a 50D body, keeping all else the same, it would be an instant success (but would kill off some 5D2 sales, especially for those people not in need of video). Even the 9-point Af system on the 50D is a better one, if I recall well (all cross-type points). If the FPS is also maintained (I suppose they’d need to to use old 5D’s 12MP sensor to be able to do that, but it’s really OK to use that sensor, especially with DIGIC IV or V and improved circuitry and resulting very low noise), then THAT would really compete with the D700, not the 5D2.
Will not happen in the near future though, even if it makes a lot of sense to have a pair of offerings at the same price point, one for resolution and one for speed, while both quite good for high ISO.
I am not a sports shooter, but would surely welcome a camera able to follow in good focus the movements of my daughter and I guess that many wedding photogs would also love such a camera.
Dream on…
THE 50D’s replacement will not be out so soon… the earliest will at least be NOV as Nikon has not introduced any more DSLRs
Thanks for answering
never asked you.
your answer doesn’t know anything about my question and its background reasons.
But thanks anyway.
24-70 F2…. a sexy as that sounds on paper that will be a monster in every respect (money, size) and I have a feeling it would be a mess optics wise… a 2.8 with IS would be good enough…frankly after switching to FF, I can now understand the people calling for a 24-105/2.8 IS…. that extra reach is really nice, but I really doubt that canon would go that route… the 500/5.6IS would rock… a 600/5.6 IS would rock even more (for us FF people) even if it ends up costing around the same as the 300/2.8 IS (just as long as the optics are stellar and the IS is for 4 stops or better)…a zoom tele in the 500-600 5.6 is range would be even sexier but frankly Id give up the flexibility of a zoom for price, size and optical quality.
D400 release is imminent. D5000 is also on a doorstep replacing D60/D40.
if 50D replacement will have built in IS, I will so buy one.
True, but the D400 won’t be released until late summer.
canon has laready stated that 1.3 is going to die off. Too bad really. I think it is a much nicer format than the 1.6….to damn small….
Many people like the 5d autofocus system over the 50d. It depends.
+1 for in body IS. I hate crop sensors but I would consider an in body IS canon.
IS is useful in the 30-70 range when shooting unsupported (and not looking through viewfinder) over your head (or at your hip) in poor light, especially when your having to shoot quickly. I personally use both of these at weddings/PJ work in crowds so that I can sneak candid shots and get fun angles. I personally would like and find useful a 24-70 IS.
The 17-55 2.8 IS gets rave reviews BTW. This is almost exactly equivalent to a 24-70 on a FF.
And some people DO have nervous disorders that cause them to shake sometimes. My girlfriend is one of them. Don’t assume you are the only person that matters in life.
I will agree with you that the 17-40 does not need IS. It needs better corner sharpness. :)
+1
The rebels Always eat the xxD line to some extent.
yeah, but no actually likes the 9pt system. It’s coverage is poor and it doesn’t track at all, It’s just plain dinky on FF
I bet Canon will put IS on every single lens over 50mm which they introduce from now on, so that there will be no need for in-body IS. Such built-in IS would then be welcome for older lenses or (and here Canon will not be happy to help) would add IS to non-Canon lenses. In short – can’t see that happening.
God doesn’t exist
Is Canon evil?
mostly. but its kinda like walmart…. Sometimes you really need at 15 piece dinner set at 4 am…..
the only way it will happen is if nikon forces their hand. it will be 1-2 stop IS.
About the rating system: My suggestion would be to go numerical. It’s easy to calculate and understand, like something like this:
CR1 – a new source
CR2 – has reported at least 5 times, but has a less than 50:50 success rate
CR3 – has reported at least 5 times and has a more than 50:50 success rate
CR4 – is close 8 out of 10 times or better; known to be an inside source
CR5 – appears to be a fact mistakenly released early; documented leak from a major distributor; statement from a major company’s CEO or press department
That would also take the rumour assignment guess work away a bit.
The T1i/500D isn’t a direct replacement for the XSi/450D, it’s a new point in the range to compete with the Nikon D90. Here in the UK, for example, the 500D is selling for about £350 more than the 450D.
no, the 500D is a direct replacement to the 450D, thats why their sequential. the XXXD is now the higher end rebel. The video is to counter the nikon D90 true, but the XSi will be discontinued sooner then the T1i. the rebel XS or 1000D is a lower point.
If I wanted to shoot video, I’d get a Sony camcorder. A DSLR should focus on the best possible still photography. The choice between 40D and 500D comes down to what you value most: professional quality body, or extraneous features such as HD video. The 40D has a wonderful all-magnesium body and comfortable grip. For handling over extended use, the 40D wins hands down. (That’s why I bought the 40D a few weeks ago.)
The 500D (and 450D) has the most uncomfortable grip I’ve ever experienced. And I am not yet sold on 15 mp IQ.
Hey, nice tips. I’ll buy a bottle of beer to the person from that forum who told me to go to your site :)
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