1D Mark IV
September 9th, 2009 Posted in Canon 1D Mark 4
Coming Soon?
Jeff Brehm, a photo editor and photographer made this statement on the sportsshooter message board.
“I won’t say who told me … but a well-placed person at one of the site sponsors told me last week that the new Canon Mark IV is coming out next month.”
Canon Press Event September 29, 2009?
From the world of anonymous. Someone is claiming they’ve been invited to a Canon press event on the 29th of September to see one of Canon’s “biggest and most important launches in history.”
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=h…….
thanks Fredrick & Andy
Forum: http://www.canonrumorsforum.com/index.php?topic=276.0
cr
September 9th, 2009 at 5:41 am
Hope to be true, can’t wait the new Mark, but of course only if it’s FF. APS-H it’s not for me
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Mark Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 7:41 am
I want 1.3, more useful for my work, don’t need that wide
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Joseph Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 7:42 am
+1
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bokehBit Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 10:03 am
+!
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Blackbox Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 7:51 am
+ 1 and many I work with
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Canon Guy Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:13 am
+7, not EVERYONE wants full frame. Buy a 5D for the times you need full frame. Who needs full frame for sports? Blah!
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Exactly! 1.3 crop is for pros, FF is for rich amatures who buy their way onto sidelines and bribe sports officials to get them close so they can use their crappy FF cameras like the D3. Real pros shoot from the stadium seats with APS-H pro bodies! Us real sports pros demand APS-H, the only pro camera in the world with not one lens designed for it! Let the FF amatures go home and get off the sidelines and stop blocking our shots from the stadium seats!
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Anonymous Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 10:01 am
:-0 I love it!
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don Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 10:12 am
+1
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gwac Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Here we go again…
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Joseph Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Yep…
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denz Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
i thought david you want FF for 1D MKIV, why you chsnge your mind?
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MOAR Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 1:44 am
He hasn’t. Perhaps your mother tongue is not English, but he’s being sarcastic.
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David Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
MOAR sarcastic
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John Swan Reply:
September 11th, 2009 at 12:41 am
Infantile Cretins all of you.
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David Reply:
September 11th, 2009 at 12:46 am
I like them on my salad, thanks!
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Mark L Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Pretty much every PJ i know wants it to be ff.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:47 am
APC-H is what I can Afford.
New 1D is gonna rock tho, its going the have all the 7D features and More!
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MOAR Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:53 am
More or MOAR?
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Anonymous Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Please, this isn’t 4chan.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Always Moar my friend. Always.
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gwac Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
What the $%*# is this MOAR thing all about?
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
moar
1. A combination of “more” and “roar”.
2. A common refrain in the seedier sectors of the ‘net, MOAR (always capitalized, often used with pictures of rioting Koreans) is a cry of lust intended to elicit more of whatever stimulated the lust.
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gwac Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
THANK you.
MOAR rumors!!!
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MOAR Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Further to David’s excellent reply, in the context of Canon, it refers to the one thing that Canon can give us to truly differentiate itself in the market, to really push the boundaries, fuel our creative spirits, and leave Nikon/Sony/RED/whatever swallowing dust:
MOAR DIRECT PRINT BUTTONS
Yes.
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
+100billion
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John Swan Reply:
September 11th, 2009 at 12:42 am
MOAR infantile humor!
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David Reply:
September 11th, 2009 at 12:45 am
YES!
September 9th, 2009 at 5:41 am
I tell you this is true!
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September 9th, 2009 at 5:42 am
Oh, we would like nothing more than this to be the biggest launch in history… ;)
Canon models are definitely engineering marvels. It even feels like Canon appeals to the more engineer-type photographers. Maybe I’m alone in that, but regardless, I don’t think any of us would mind a kickass new 1DMkIV.
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Doubtful Man Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 6:28 am
“One of…”
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:01 am
That part is not in the quote
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September 9th, 2009 at 5:51 am
OMG! The 1D is getting a direct print button.
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MOAR Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 5:57 am
Better than that, Canon copiers with direct print buttons!
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afrank99 Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 6:12 am
Even better – new calculcators with direct print buttons!
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MOAR Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 6:15 am
OMFG – I just soiled myself.
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Who? Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 6:17 am
A wireless direct print buttun printer, so you can print direct print buttons on everything!
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Canon Guy Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:14 am
LOL! I totally like the wireless direct print button idea! 10000+
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denz Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
how about DVD/Blueray writer with direct print button compatibility that can print lightscribe from camera with direct print button.
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gabe Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
A:SD:AS:DA:S:DASD
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September 9th, 2009 at 6:16 am
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September 9th, 2009 at 6:18 am
I’ve followed this summer’s rumors and announcements, but it’s a first for me having never done it in years or release seasons past. I’m curious though, how often does Canon announce new lenses? I’m satisfied with my 5D2, and I’m not (financially) interested in the 1D4 at this point, but would a press event like this typically involve more new lenses being announced as well, or just the 1D4? I’ve had my eye on the 135 f2 L, and while I wouldn’t necessarily mind getting one now with a new one coming out next year with IS, I’d definitely have buyer’s remorse if the IS came out a mere month later. Not point in not getting a great lens if the upgrade is still a year out at best though. Anyway, I’m just curious if those rumored 70-200, 135, etc. rumors still held a chance with this new rumored 1D4 announcement.
Obviously anything can come at any time, but in general, when and what kind of announcements are made throughout the year from Canon? I got the impression there’s usually the summer announcements with September releases and the winter announcements with February releases. Is that about right? Thanks.
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September 9th, 2009 at 6:27 am
I hope it’s
Revolution not Evolution.
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regular Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 6:31 am
They already told you it will be an APS-H body.
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MOAR Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 6:54 am
What’s the difference between the 1D3 (APS-H) body and the 1Ds3 (FF) body? Other than the sensor, that is?
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Joseph Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Shutter speed for one
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MOAR Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Related to processor rather than mirror size though, otherwise the EOS-1v could never have achieved 10fps.
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=138&modelid=7244
Faster/more DIGIC processors > higher FF shutter speed. No?
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Yep exactly.
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regular Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Wow! I just saw the Leica M9 preview on DPReview… THAT is exciting!
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don Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 11:15 am
+2
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Yeah, people claimed you can’t put a big sensor in a micro43 EP1 sized body with interchangable lenses…they were mistaken.
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MOAR Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Indeed. I thought the X1 was too, until I saw the price for a fixed 35mm equivalent. Hmmmm, you’d really have to love that 35mm focal length!
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
That’s Leica for you. They are prime lens fanatics. But a large sensor compact is obvisouly doable thanks to Leica, so maybe Canon will get into the mirrorless body interchangable lens game ;)
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September 9th, 2009 at 6:32 am
Nice! I’m glad it will be FF.
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Tomas Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 6:41 am
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_1D_MkIV.html
It doesn’t look like it I am afraid. But I really home the time will prove us wrong.
At least I hope the new Speedlites are coming with radio wireless!
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Well, 1.3 crop and 12 fps is hardly one of the “biggest and most important launches in history.” He also has there being no more 1Ds and suggests they might demote their top flagship camera down to the 3D, you know, because real pros don’t want FF aparently. Not exactly a credible source of info there.
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MOAR Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
> Well, 1.3 crop and 12 fps is hardly one of the “biggest and most important launches in history.”
Never underestimate the sheer power or marketing BS
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
No doubt. Given the D3 can do 11 fps, 12 fps would be quite the historical launch, lol.
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denz Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
what if they put 4 digic 4 sensor not just 2 and shooting @ 16FPS @ 18MP. is that possible? that would be in history,
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David Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Yeah, quad-core dual Digic V’s ;)
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September 9th, 2009 at 6:35 am
i was on a photo shoot this week end with a professional photographer who believes the 1D mkIV will be launched for the olympics and it is gonna be FF
he also believes there will be no more 1ds ans 1d only one pro body
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Roger767 Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:49 am
I doubt it. Canon will keep 2 1D lines. Maybe 2 FF, one with lots of mp and one with less.
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:20 am
But people on this rumor site have decided pros don’t want FF, and the 1Ds is going to be demoted to the 3D. APS-H will be the only pro camera in the world with not one lens designed for it. That is why Canon is saying its one of the “biggest and most important launches in history.” Canon will be the new pro-dufus camera company.
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kubelik Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:59 am
I think this is the biggest reason the APS-H should die. If you’re canon, either design some lenses for the APS-H, or kill it. Even the micro 4/3s systems have two or three lenses upon first release.
in general I have no problem with the concept of APS-H, it’s a balance between APS-C size and cost versus 35mm IQ and DR.
however, in reality, its a road to nowhere unless Canon commits to a third set of lenses; which it is highly unlikely to do
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Anonymous Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 10:52 am
They don’t need to commit to a third set of lenses. All they need is a good EF12-24mm to give the APS-H camera a usefull ultra-wide. If you multiply the rest of the EF lenses by 1.3 you’ll pretty much everything else covered.
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am
How does that help? FF 12mm is 12mm, on APS-H it would be almost 16mm. I doubt a FF 12mm is even possible, much less in a zoom, but why would you spend a ton of money on a new 12-24mm only to have it become a 16-31mm on a 1.3 crop body?
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mike Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
SIGMA managed to construct and build a 12-24mm – it may not be the best lens in the world (though it received some awards), but if they can why should not Canon can?!
Isn´t 16mm pretty wide (compared to the 16-35mm 2.8L zoom for FF)?! Lets not forget that only some years ago the wide-angle zooms had a range beginning from 20mm – and nobody complained about that…
We will see enormous improvements in the future, that´s for sure. Just wait and see. And don´t forget to take pictures meanwhile ;-)
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David Reply:
September 11th, 2009 at 12:44 am
12mm is very wide. I’d have to see how much distortion there is before I’d say how usable it is. The Canon 14mm is rectilinear, and is quite usable. But even so, if I’m going to buy a 12mm I don’t want it turned into a 16mm. My 16mm I dont want turned into a 21mm. My 24mm I don’t want turned into a 31mm.
BTW, the 16-35mm L was introduced in September 2001, its already on the mark II.
Doing 1 to 3 shoots a week right now, not bad given the economy.
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bug Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
god i hope so
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September 9th, 2009 at 6:36 am
I was considering a 7D as a backup wedding body to my 5DII, but depending on how amazing the 1DIV is, I may just get the 1DIV instead.
It’s all about the low light, I hope Canon gets that part right.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 6:41 am
+1
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Roger767 Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Canon needs a real ISO monster.
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kubelik Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:42 am
I’m pretty sure almost every DSLR on the market from APS-C up counts as an “ISO” monster these days.
I used to shoot weddings with Fuji 100 and 200 rated films. Even in dark churches. Handheld using ambient or with flash.
Yes, clean high ISO is great, I won’t deny that. I love being able to take shots at 1600 and know I can still get a print out of it.
But do you really, really, absolutely NEED it?
The way people talk about high ISO it’s as if God rolled back ambient lighting across the universe by 3 EV
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Well, the sun is slowly dimming! If they don’t give us perfect clean pictures at ISO 128,000 soon we’ll all be in dire trouble.
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denz Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
+1
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September 9th, 2009 at 6:41 am
“biggest and most important launches in history.”
FF 1D, 24mp @ 5fps, 14mp @ 12fps. That would be my biggest and most important launches in history.
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denz Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Nope, APS-H with 4 (not 2) digic 4 sensors to able to shoot 16FPS @ 18MP. APS-H that can take EF-S lens too. All the features of 7D plus clean high ISO up to 25600.
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Christian Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 9:48 am
? it doesnt make any sense…
4 processor would just drain the batteries too quickly…
16 fps has never been seen before in any SRL, film or digital… And movie a mirror so fast would be nearly impossible, at least for now.
APS-H will NEVER, EVER take EF-S lens. Yes some EF-S lens work on FF camera but Canon will never officialy support it.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Well, battery power is a concern but the 1D mark III has a 2300 ma battery that is 500ma more than the 5dmarkII. If it had less MP and some improvements to the power usage of the screen and if there are more improvements to that battery that there should be more MA of storage it should come out… I am not saying I agree that they will have four processors… but it isn’t impossible that they have more than 2. At normal temperatures the 1D mark III battery can take 2200 shots the 5D mark II is rated at only 850 shots per battery charge… The faster the processors get the job done the less time they are active. They can also have the cores handle different loads depending on what you are doing. If you have twice the workload, working with the same size processor it will take twice as long, if you have twice the power with twice the workload it will take the same amount of time, and NEARLY the same amount of power.
1/1 = normal processing/normal workload
½= normal processing/double workload (means you are working at one half speed, and it will take you twice as long, therefore draining twice as much energy.)
2/1 double processing/normal workload (you get the job done 2 times faster half the time but it took you twice as much energy to accomplish the job, but you still get the same power usage.
2/2 double processing/ double workload (simple math 2/2 = 1/1 =1)
The only thing that would actually drain the battery power more is if they add extra features
The 5D mark II has a single processor at 21 mp at 4fps and shoots 850 shots on a single battery charge
The 7D has dual processors at 18mp at 8 fps and shoots 1000 shots. And both of these on 1800ma.
It seems that the dual processors didn’t add much drain the batteries…
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denz Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
maybe not 4 physical processors, 2 dual core processor. Intel have 8 cores in 1 processor already.
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September 9th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Please join us at the forum for official discussion on the 1D IV:
http://www.canonrumorsforum.com/index.php?topic=276.0
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Christian Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 7:05 am
Can’t post in the forum from the office. Video game buiness is soooo confidential -.-
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September 9th, 2009 at 7:02 am
A Canon Snr VP was interviewed a year, or so ago, on national TV, in Las Vagas, and said the APS-H had run it’s course. The D3 had just been announced…..from that I deduced the eventual 1D Mk4 would be FF. I think wishing the 1D Mk4 will be APS-H is a very sad nightmare and it will doom the Mk4 to failure. The D3 is just too good and very fast.
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Haven’t you heard? People on this rumor site have decided FF is not wanted by pro photographers. So it doesn’t matter what a Snr Vp at Canon thinks.
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Jim Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Haven’t you heard; this camera will be used by a lot of Pros not just the few on who have nothing to do but write on Forums !!!
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Maybe I should go shoot some flowers, or maybe an ant farm, and let all the real pros here talk about how wonderful crop sensors are, because they didn’t get it in the 7D, the 3D is now going to be crappy FF, and some guy spilled his beer on their 1D while climbing over his stadium seat.
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MOAR Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 10:52 am
The only people who wax lyrical over APS-H are birders who’re too dumb to crop (or realise that in-cam crop on a FF would give them the same output without resorting to post) and some sports photogs (ditto). Anyone who wants to maximise the investment in quality glass, anyone who’s interested in the occasional portrait where the subject is truly separated from the background, anyone who considers the option to take beautiful wide landscapes, all of those will know that FF (with either in-cam or post cropping) offers the best of all solutions.
But Canon, of course, may know better.
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Yep. Canon has made their bed of glass in FF and 1.6 crop. If they were planning to keep APS-H we’d have EF-H lenses instead of EF-S. For the birds, and other dangerous wild critters, 18 MP 1.6 crop 8 fps on the 7D is the way to go. For most sports, 200mm 2.0, 300mm 2.8, 400mm 2.8, 600mm 4.0 lenses don’t need a small crop – there’s a reason the 300mm 2.8 is the most common sports lens, and a reason you see the big white pricey 200mm 2.0 on a lot of sidelines, there is such a thing as TOO CLOSE.
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ms Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
amen
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September 9th, 2009 at 7:11 am
Looking at the 7D, its clear that any further 1D-series body will be FF. the 7D has the small sensor market (or soon will) all wrapped up for those with cash to spend.
I’m sure with dual digic IV chips (clocked faster than the ones in the 7D) it can meet or exceed the 1D3 framerate at up to or beyond 21MP. We’ll see.
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gwac Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Yeah, I was thinking part of the reason for the 7D was to give pros a crop option so Canon could drop the 1.3x.
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September 9th, 2009 at 7:18 am
It’s comming with APS-H. FF come’s later.
Canon fights his way and does not copy Nikon with selectable crop, this is better for us Sportfotographers:)
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Christian Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 7:40 am
- Dont crop (FF)
- Selectable crop (ala Nikon)
- 1.3x crop (1DIII) (but doesnt allow you to use wide lens…)
- Post crop (Photoshop)
Its “all” the same!
The next 1D needs to be FF. That way you can use wide lens if you need, yes, even for sports. After, if you want to crop for better framing, crop the FF image to whatever you like…
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don Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 10:26 am
i use a sigma 10-20 on my Mk2
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Christian Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 7:41 am
- Dont crop (FF)
- Selectable crop (ala Nikon)
- 1.3x crop (1DIII) (but doesnt allow you to use wide lens…)
- Post crop (Photoshop)
Its “all” the same!
The next 1D needs to be FF. That way you can use wide lens if you need, yes, even for sports. After, if you want to crop for better framing, crop the FF image to whatever you like…
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Canon the flying mirror Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:06 am
FPS body with FF mirror is too heavy I guess.
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Christian Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:21 am
History moment
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=138&modelid=7244
“In the finest tradition of the “1″ series: The EOS-1v.
The ultimate in professional vision with the world’s fastest AF, and a continuous shooting speed of up to 10 frames per second”
Film camera are FF right? This one has been around for more than 10 years, and it shoots 10fps.
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Anonymous Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Yea right. I forgot D3 also, it has 11fps.
It’s DX crop mode but mirror displacement is the same.
So why they stay at APS-H? Sensor cost?
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Christian Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Even this doesnt make sense… Canon sell a FF body for 2600$… The 5DII.
I think they stayed APS-H because of the sport guy and birders. But they have a crop camera now with semi-pro AF. The 7D.
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MOAR Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:23 am
I cannot seriously believe that Canon give a stuff about birders any more than any other segment. And the only sports shooters that they’ll care about are the big names and those working for the agencies/publishers.
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gwac Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 10:39 am
But we NEED pictures of birds!
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don Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 10:27 am
birders.. lol
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:33 am
LOL If you were a real sports photographer you’d know 1.3 crop is a disadvange to most pros who can get close and on sidelines. It’s the amatures who shoot sports from the stadium seats who think crop is a pro feature.
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Christian Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:44 am
lol… nicely put :)
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Jim Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:48 am
I love it !!!!!! LOL !!!!
Excellent…and how totally true !!!!!!!
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Bob Howland Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Not to mention all the sports photographers who shoot indoors.
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Blackbox Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 5:53 am
wrong as usual
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MOAR Reply:
September 11th, 2009 at 2:07 am
Are you shooting from the hip there, or do you have a logical argument to back that up?
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September 9th, 2009 at 7:45 am
APS-H for 1D is fine.
Problem is, we have only 1 pro FF body and that don’t have high ISO.
I need pro FF body with high ISO/decent reso, just like D3.
Sad thing but Canon ignore this.
Canon should learn from PhaseOne, their Pixel Binning is one of solution. So 1Ds will be more useful.
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Sicotek Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:26 am
+1
Next 1D should be FF and should have more or less the same changes we´ve seen in 7D. 100% coverage viewfinder, built in LCD overlay and so on.
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Bob Howland Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Can we do without the JPG/RAW button from the 7D? I shoot raw exclusively and I don’t want to be able to hit the button by mistake.
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MOAR Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 1:49 am
+1
It’s just another button to get in the way.
Either remove it or do something useful with it, like allowing us to print directly from the camera without the need for one of those complicated computer thingies.
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September 9th, 2009 at 7:55 am
sorry but i dont care… where are the lenses…
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MOAR Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:07 am
OMG, is Canon announcing a range of direct print-enabled lenses?
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The revolutionary wedding photographer Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Straight from lens to paper without the need for a camera? This could revolutionise wedding photography.
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Yep, the prints are up on their wall before they get home from the wedding! Let the revolution begin!
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Christiaan Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Yep, they call it Direct Wall -buttons..!
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September 9th, 2009 at 9:33 am
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September 9th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Does Launch = Announcement in this case?
Or is this the launch of something already announced?
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 10:28 am
I fell off my rocker at launch and I can’t get up
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September 9th, 2009 at 10:03 am
The Lord of Darkness, it has begun!!!!
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September 9th, 2009 at 10:36 am
I think this press event on the 29th of September is an introduction of the new FF video line from canon…
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September 9th, 2009 at 10:45 am
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September 9th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Calm down folks. It’s a new calculator with a wireless direct print button where the “=” sign used to be. For those of you who want something “revolutionary” this will make your day.
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September 9th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Does Nikon have something up their sleeves as well…
“I am privy to some pretty cool news for Nikon users, that cool in fact that I might have lots of Canon gear going cheap. Can’t spread the news yet but let’s just say it will be tipping the scales in nikons favour.” – taken from http://christianfletcher.wordpress.com/
If that is true, then Canon should learn from their 1D3 lesson and wait for the Noinks to make the first move. :D
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Of course Nikon does. I’ve heard Sony’s A950 is going to be 32 MP, I’d think Nikon will have that coming as well.
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Gusto Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Increasing pixel count is the LAST problem for Canon. :)
Now, whether Canon can get their act together and produce a sensor that can rival the performance of the D3X sensor is another matter altogether.
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David Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
It will be funny to see all the mega-pixel haters when the D4x comes out 32 MP.
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ms Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
canon needs to really start putting their weight behind the products they release…. waiting? they’ve waited plenty long enough…. At this point they need to stop being stingy with features and being ultra greedy with prices… and get some new unique lenses out the door while they’re at it…. they do that and Nikon/Sony/whom ever can announce whatever/whenever … it will not matter
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Gusto Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 9:37 am
That’s a good point.
If the 1D4 gets announced in Oct as rumored, then we can expect the 1Ds4 to be announced early next year.
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David Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
1D4 will not get announced until Feb 2010
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September 9th, 2009 at 11:53 am
This thread reeks of masterbation….. just sayin.
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anonymous Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
You obviously wank differently
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gwac Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Don’t worry, I know what you mean ;-)
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Christiaan Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
I’am a girl!
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September 9th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
How many of you people saying that the 1DIV has to be full frame actually make a living or a significant portion of it from your photography? I do, and I will be very disappointed if it is full frame. The 1.3 cropped sensor is just perfect for my needs.
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Joe Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
0.0
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Christian Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Your needs requires you too crop a photo. And you can do that in PP or with a in-camera crop.
My needs also include using wide-angle lens. That I cannot fix in PP… If I could, I would.
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RBR Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Cropping much cuts out megapixels and looks terrible to editors. Just get the 14mm if you need something wider. It’s only a tax deductible $2k, a pittance compared to the 500, 600, and 800mm lenses that most users of the 1D owners use and the camera itself.
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MOAR Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
>Cropping much cuts out megapixels
But that’s EXACTLY what an APS-H sensor does compared to a FF one!
So, given equal pixel density, what’s the difference between
(1) cropping by ‘pixel binning’ (i.e. in-camera crop);
(2) cropping in post; and
(3) cropping by reducing sensor size?
For the hard of thinking option (3) is the only one that doesn’t give you the choice, once you have the camera you’re stuck.
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
well everyone knows pros with 600mm & 800mm lenses can’t ever get close enough, and the new AF Zit Tracking feature will track the zits on an athletes face at that range so APS-H is clearly better than FF, hehe
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Barnett Reply:
September 10th, 2009 at 2:22 am
No, why don’t YOU just get a 1.4x converter. You can permanently attach that to a FF camera and pretend that you now have a crop camera.
The lower noise of the FF camera means that you can bump the ISO by one stop and still get the same noise as the equivalent crop camera. This makes up for the one stop you lose on the lens. It also means that you will get the same DOF as you are used to on the crop camera.
The point I am trying to make is that a crop camera performs *exactly* the same as a FF camera with converter permanently stuck to the front. Please tell me how is that an advantage?
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MOAR Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Interesting.
Would you care to elaborate as to how a FF sensor cropped to APS-H dimensions (either in camera or in post) is in anyway different to an APS-H sensor of identical pixel density? If Canon came up with a 16MP APS-H, how would that affect you compared to a 21MP FF with 1.3x in-camera crop?
Nikon saw it: make one camera that can suit two markets. Perhaps Canon can, perhaps they can’t. But what’s your excuse?
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Those with small cropped direct print buttons get a bit insecure around FF direct print buttons…lol
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gwac Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Actually for identical pixel density you would need a 16*(1.3)^2 = 27MP FF sensor, no? The crop factor is one dimensional so when you apply it to sensor area you need to square it. So the D3/D700 12MP FX = 5MP DX
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MOAR Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
True, good catch! My get-out clause for my lousy maths is equal pixel density (assuming all other factors being equal) as being the overall deciding factor for IQ (so cropping does not affect IQ measurably).
Perhaps 15MP APS-H vs. 22.5MP FF would be a better comparison.
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gwac Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
As long as the cropping is done prior to processing it seems like you should be able to get good frame rates. The 7D with dual digic IVs handles 18MP @ 8fps, which could translate to 12MP @ 12fps for the crop. The FF rate would be quite a bit slower tho at around 7fps. I’m sure dual digic V would blow everything out of the water.
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
You clearly are not accounting for the Nikon’s 5th dimensional advantage so DX would be a virtual 25MP once interpolated to be better than Canon’s 21MP FF sensor.
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gwac Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
You’re right – Nikon engineers are waaay ahead of the curve. They design cameras using string theory.
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
I prefer Spaghetti theory myself
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gwac Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
yummy.
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Nick Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
I am a taco man myself. Thats why i use canon.
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David Reply:
September 9th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Spicy Jalapeno Tacos!
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September 9th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Eye liek pai. KanON destroys nikoff. Flaming liberals love nikoff even though they both are whack.
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September 9th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
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September 11th, 2009 at 2:14 am
The Neutered Observer observes that WE NEED MOAR DIRECT PRINT OPTIONS. ONE BUTTON IS JUST NOT ENOUGH!!!! OMG
I don’t shoot Canon, I shoot blanks.
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September 24th, 2009 at 9:10 am
People who ACTUALLY DO know what’s going to be annouced on 29th Sep must be grinning when they read these comments !! They do keep it quiet well, considering how easy information can travel quickly…
If the release is going to be a camera one and not a business machine, just wondering whether there was an invitation like this when the 7D was about to be announced. If not, does it mean can we expect it to be a bigger announcement than the 7D?
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December 9th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
The real final discussion here is weight and size. The weight & size of the 1D will be obsolete once a new 1Ds is introduced or a smaller version of a 1D with equivalent specks. I doubt that Canon will release a 1Ds that does not have similar or much better specks then the 1D.
This being said you will be stuck with a heavy large cameo that is second rate to the 1Ds or other cameras and at a price that is very high. The correct pricing in todays market should come in at about USD 3.000 not 5,000 to make this camera sensible, and a good long term investment.
A 7D size version of the 1D is the only logical and practical concept that will not become a heavy overpriced paper weight in the next 3 years.
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