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Finally
I think I've finally received some information that is more than a wishlist.
Specs
16mp Full Frame CMOS
Dual DIGIC. Unsure whether it's DIGIC 4 or 5
10fps
3″ VGA LCD
GPS (Unsure whether it'll be an addon or built into the camera this time)
Wifi (Built in)
I'm promised more information later this week.
cr
Anything about planned release date?
Sounds good, just too expensive for me :-/
Full frame? I don’t know about that. What would the 1Ds IV be then?
What would the 1Ds IV be then?
FF with higher pixel count?
j.
If I did the math right ff at 16 mp is the same pixel density as the 1.3 crop at 10 mp. So we should have excellent noise control and deep colors. It should also avoid the diffraction issues of the higher mp count ff cameras. I certainly hope it is released soon. I really need a new camera as my old 1D MK2 is getting long in the tooth.
Ed
Sounds great…although I’m not so sure if sports photographers will be that happy with a fullframe censor?
Sold!
btw, you can crop a 16mpix photo like a 1.3 sensor does and you get close to 10 mpix (1DMKIII).
but, when using movie mode, you want FF to make it very appealing.
Built in WiFi, awesome.
Not gonna happen though.
You mean all the sports photographers that switched to the full-frame D3?
perfect!!
keep them distinct like the D3 and D3X, both being full-frame but one being really fast and one being really high resolution. Also, have a built in crop like the D3.
I don’t even care if it has GPS or Wifi built in, just give me a 16mp FF sensor, pro AF, and dual card slots for under $5k.
a buddy of mine told me it was going to be worth 10,000 dollars i dont believe him but do you guys think its true?
no, the 1D cameras always enter the market as $4500
as usual – twice the megapixels for half the frame rate.
I hope they have a built-in GPS though. Its so cheap nowadays.
ditto, if i knew that this was gonna be it, and knew the price… i would save my pennys. :)
thats what i told him, i was like i doubt the 1D would go above $6,000 dollars but i can see the next 1Ds maybe go up to $10,000 but i doubt even the next 1Ds will reach $10,000
I really don’t see much advantage over the 1d MK III unless the autofocus is really good. The photosite size is the same.
A 1Ds MK II is 16 mp FF and sells for under $2,000 used. Slower frame rate, but it is a 1 series body.
16 mpix and full frame @ 10 fps its killer! Let’s hope for more spread out af points and that he’ll get released sooner than soon! It shouldn’t make sense digic 4 unless it comes out before 60D (?)
it would have improvements, no doubt.
Could bet on AF system, and some others.
Chromatic aberration correction for JPG should be one of them (as even cheap Nikons have).
if this is around 3500 euros (like the 1d mk2 and 3) and has 24 fps HD video I’m getting it!
16 mpx full-frame with the high-iso quality of the 40d would result is one bad-ass camera… the low pixeldensity with digic 4 should be awesome!
Personally I think they will go down. If the Ds mkIV performs well, which I think it should, If they can price it lower, around $6000, (the original reason for the $8000 price tag was because the steppers that made the semiconductor could only make 27mm chips at a time, and making a chip out of multiple steppings is difficult, expensive, and has a very low successful return rate. The stppers can now do much better, making 36mm chips in a single go) that could kick the D3x in the balls, outperforming and undercutting is a great way to restore market share.
You’re forgetting two and a half years of technological advances, same size photosites doesn’t mean same noise performance
True, though Canon’s CA reduction system is more accurate than nikons, I think that if it can be done in DPP it can be done in the camera JPEG engine, especially since it can now do vignette.
True, I even know one of them (they’re real, but not nearly as prevalent as some would have you believe)
Any talk of video support?
Thank you for correctly noticing the pattern, and realizing it isn’t related to sensor size.
You are right, the only concern is that GPS consume your battery a lot. You have to keep the GPS chip alive all the time since most cheap ones locate you slowly…
I will be very very happy.
If these specs are true (and furthermore if it has a decent Hi-ISO performance and Canon does manage to build a major screw-up like the 1D3’s AF), I’ll be glad to buy one. :D
I want to wait till this 1D comes out and see if the 1Ds III price goes down if it does im saving pennies for the 1Ds III
If this is true, i’ll be very tempted to buy one. 16mp FF sounds very good. Ofcourse, their should be NO af problems!.
that sounds more like canon. I love the specs, it is really appealing for me. If the price is handy (like the current line) then I may as well buy one. Would be perfect for customers who wants photo on action. :)
One of the new Canon-made steppers can do 50mm x 50mm. I wonder if they made it that size just for their customers (Kodak?) or if they ever intend to exploit the full size themselves.
3″ VGA LCD is so yesterday. Almost every sensible camera has it, so what’s the big deal?
My personal opinion is that the 3″ screen is enough. And it might be harder to fit a larger screen on the backsides as they screen then demands more and more space and the backside settingwheel need to be in a good ergonomic logical location.
And a larger screen will use more battery.
Is there anyone who really needs a larger screen on their SLR?
ok I don’t generalise ofcourse…but I can imagine the 1.3 crop advantage will be missed sometimes…anyway, 16mp FF allows you to crop the original 10mp 1DIII size anyway :)
For those that like touchscreens?
oh yeah, touchscreen on an slr, shooting photos and deleting images with your nose at the same time ;)
lol
“Is there anyone who really needs a larger screen on their SLR?”
Good point. I am beginning to wonder if we have reached the point where nearly all consumer needs are satisfied as far as pixel count and LCD specs are concerned. There will always been room for faster fps, dynamic range improvement, high ISO performance and more advanced AF detection.
I have a 40D and I must admit I’m not familiar with the high-iso quality. Perhaps you mean the high-iso quality of the new digic IV chip in the later models?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
the second joystick, the control of dept of field.
!? DOF is controlled via aperture, and that’s what the wheel is for…
???
DOF is an aperture thing. Why not use the wheel? And why the joystick would be more useful?
dof depends on aperture, focal length and on shooting distance equally
What I don’t understand is the desire for gps in a pro camera. You’re not geotagging pics for flickr here. I can see a slight benifit to the photojournalist in deepest Afganistan, but surely this adds nothing useful for a sports photographer, or even an event photographer… But I’m not being retorical. What do you want gps for?
I shoot with the 1Ds Mark II and while I love the camera, I’d also love some better high ISO performance. I don’t need more MPs (maybe 21 would be nice), but I’d love faster frame rates, better high ISO, and a new camera to play with :)
Larger LCD screens would just mean more clients desperate to see their photos during a wedding shoot :) Beyond a good histogram, the ability to see if people’s eyes are open, and enough detail to check critical sharpness, what else do we really need?
NICE :)
in this case i will never buy a 5D markII
Diffraction is a huge issue. The 50D starts to suffer at f/8!!
Jeez I hope this is true. I´m tired of all these piddly XXXXD, XXXD, and XXD cameras.
It keeps them honest. Editors have had some high profile issues with images that were faked. This will at least show the image was taken in the right spot, I suppose that could be faked as well, but it is something to help.
I haven’t forgotten, but I also have not heard complaints about the 1D MK III ISO performance. Presumably, the camera could beat the 5D MK II ISO by a stop maybe more. If it could do 2 stops more, then it would be a improvement worth the extra money. This would mean usable ISO 25,600.
Twice the pixel, half the frame rate, three times the price…
M
actually i would like to see a 3″ OLED screen, better colours and longer battery life
Diffraction is a lens issue, not a sensor issue. It’s just that you can see the lens diffraction better with a high density sensor. By improving the sensor resolution sufficiently (and maintaining the same lens,) you move from a sensor-limited system to a lens-limited system.
and maybe the 1ds(V) will be a medium format???
+1
I don’t think built-in WiFi will happen in the 1D4 – the WFT-Es just bring too much extra bucks for Canon. (WFT-E2: 999,- EUR SRP in Germany)
On the (built-in?) GPS: I’m only interested if it delivers a decent performance. So far I’m using an external GPS logger with SirfIII chip and I’m absolutely not willing to downgrade from its high GPS fix quality.
Thanks Ed :)
second joystik is very good for portrait for change focus point (for example), for naturalisti picture too, or for reportage (when you are taking a vertical picture but you need to change focus point quickly)
-Control of DOF i mean a function (nikon D3 have it) with you can see the affect of changing aperture on life view.
It s very the best for macro picture
Turn on live view and press the DOF preview button
No “hope” for medium format – the lens mount dictates the maximum sensor size.
I’ve heard of tools that will pull your GPS location from files created on external GPSes and insert the geolocation data into your pictures. That’s a great way to avoid the battery drain on the camera.
well, that doesn’t mean FF DSLR sensors will not soon surpass medium format film quality – but yes, as technology improves a medium format sized camera and digital back will yield higher resolution than a DSLR.
They are different price points and target markets, we will not see the 1Ds or 1D cameras drop in suggested retail price no matter how many semi-pro shooters would love that to happen.
Resident Evil 6, oh and bionic eyeballs so you can just look at something and capture 15MP stills.
Why would that ever be a comparison? The 5D2 and 1D4 are not competitors and the 1D4 will be twice the price of the 5D2.
Medium format means exactly that: the format (size) of the sensor is medium, or distinctly larger than 35mm. It doesn’t, in and of itself, state anything about “quality”. As I understand it, Canon chose a relatively large diameter for the EF mount, which has served it well for some of its lens designs, but it’s still not large enough to use for medium format.
I think that the 1D series (not 1Ds as much) and the 5D series actually are competitors – at least with wedding photographers (and so does Canon – just look at their marketing material).
A lot of photographers shoot with one or the other. The 1Ders generally want the better autofocus (which is critical for low light reception work) and the 5D crowd generally want the extra MP, ff, and smaller price tag (and I suppose lower weight).
So even though the cameras don’t seem to have much in common, they actually do compete in the same sub-market.
Don’t think integrated Wifi will happen, it would require to have different firmwares to match each country reglementation concerning wireless communication.
Nintendo/Apple can do so because they sell a LOT, but I don’t think the market of both DSLRs and integrated Wifi worths it.
In the old days at least, you could use a single EOS-1 body to shoot all sorts of photos!
Nowadays, you wake up and have to wonder “ok, today will I do landscape, portrait or sports? Do I shoot lowlight? shall I take the ISO-limited, the fps-limited or the MPxls-limited body? … because those digital bodies are not competitors, of course.”
Makes no difference whether it´s sensor or lens based. It´s an issue full stop. Pointless having a camera that you can´t use beyond f/8 be it down to the sensor or the lens. That´s irrelevant.
You are correct about sensor size, and bigger EF mount size was one of the reasons Canon dumped the FD line for EOS, but in terms of a bench mark for comparison film formats are often used, such as 35mm or medium format – being quality is now limited to chip design as well as sensor size it helps to point to what photography standards used to be. So when people are talking about medium format quality in a DSLR it is not sensor size but the film quality benchmark being referenced.
What does the original post say? “and maybe the 1ds(V) will be a medium format???” I see nothing in there that says or suggests quality. Sorry if I’m too anal-retentive for you. And if the original poster meant medium format quality, I apologize for reading what you wrote and not thinking what you were thinking.
That’s not really accurate. Canon has historically made a high speed sports version of the EOS 1.
GPS tagging is mostly for journalists, and the 1D4 would be right up that alley. Built in WIFI on the other hand is useful for most anyone. Makes sense it would be built in to all DSLR’s at some point.
Video will be probably scrapped for this camera in the grounds of pro sports and event photographers having trouble with stadium and other event policies of no video allowed due to TV contracts and other concerns.
I doubt this camera will have video for years maybe never!
There has been no mention of the histogram. Man, I wish e could get a large easy to read histogram that pops off the screen like the “dark side” has. This can’t be more than a software tweak.
1-HS bodies were just a kit including the speed grip (aka speed booster).
There was this 1-RS body, but I am not sure it was actually released.
Sales of 7 inch screens for the 5D MK II are brisk. They are useful for video or studio work and can be set at the viewing angle you need.
in addition to a better focusing system, i think i would like to see a focusing lamp added, found that really helpful in low light testing the d300 and d700
notice how that screen is external. and for video. The primary market for 1D bodies isn’t studio operators, its journalists, nature shooters, sports shooters, and wedding photogrqaphers, will these people use video? yes, some of them will, is it worth making the entire back of the camera a piece of glass to help with a single aspect of this multifaceted device? i don’t think so
WIN!
the 1N-RS was released, my school owns one.
When you go to a sports event do they make you hand off your cell phone? NO, those can shoot video, how about the 10,000 people in the audience with P&S that all do video?
Get real, the PJ’s need it, its of mild use to most pro’s, and if it isn’t they can just ignore it.
You get the pass for whatever media you’re making, stills or video, and if they catch you shooting the other one they give you the boot and you hear from a lawyer on monday. No one cares what the equipment can do, after all video cameras can shoot stills, just what you do with it and if you’re paying for the right pass.
Besides, the big issue is broadcast, not taking the video, unless you think the next wireless file transmitter will give you a satellite link with enough speed to stream HD video, (which it won’t, in case you were wondering)
or 1.8x
maybe, maybe not, a moderate decrease could stop the D3x in its tracks
Yeah well the fact that a 1Ds can not be a medium format camera implies the bench mark of film quality is being addressed unless you want to think it meant transformers.
Again, full frame cmos begs the question. What are wildlife shooters left with to shoot?Without the 1.3x advantage in reach wildlife shooters will be looking at a xxD camera. Unless of course Canon gives us a 1.3 or 1.6 crop to go along with it. If they do, it would be quite fabulous to allow us to use our Ef-s lenses. 10-22 and 17-55 are real gems.
I am still not convinced we gain that much from the 1.3 crop. If a camera has 1.3 and 10 MP and another has FF and 16 MP they are essentially equivalent. If you crop the FF image to the equivalent image size of the smaller sensor I believe the images are the same. So with the 1.3 we are just displaying a smaller area of the lens’ image circle. I believe the key words are that a 1.3 crop camera images the light from a 100 mm lens with the same “angle of view” as a 130 mm lens. However, since the sensor is smaller with less pixels along each side it is really the same as cropping an image from a FF sensor. So, I am not convinced extra “reach” is really achieved.
at the time the 40d came out the iso performance was better than anything else in that price range…
ok, it was digic III , but still beat nikons d200 and came close to the newer d300…
eh yeah.. but seeing Full-frame will deliver a better looking DOF and get more sharpness from your lens…
Exactly! Now, I want it. Time to pre-order!
Hopefully the 1DV won’t have black dots and vertical banding.
We all suspected 1D series may move to FF. Just makes the 1DIII a collector’s item.
I recall reading (no ref now…), Canon mentioned that APS-H was the in-between for FF, APS-C, manufacturing cost, yields, high fps processing. If the specs are true, they are consolidating its development pathway, thus dropping APS-H.
I bet sports photogs don’t crop photos much. Most of their shots are sent off to the news feeds straight away for ‘live’ reporting. Yet the FF + high MP may offer good post processing opportunities. And for canon to cash in on the new demand of super tele primes.
Waiting for more cool news. Rgds.
Apples, oranges. Video will be an issue on the sidelines and such. Is it enough to keep it out of this revision? Who knows, but I think you’re awful brave to make such claims.
Uh, the wildlife shooters have six cameras to choose from.
Now, there’s an upgrade I also really would like. :)
But a larger screen than 3″.. no I don’t think that’s important.
Hey.. don’t you have the new human-card adapter? Just make a surgery and remove a part of your brain.. replace it with a CF-card holder and some digital crap.. and there you’ve got it.
I got that operation made 4 years ago.. and I have better zoom than the Hubble telescope..
in short: a bigger sensor is almost always better, unless you want high FPS at the same megapixel density…
I am still waiting for a 10 megapixel xxD-body FF camera from canon…
A 16mp FF camera which shoots at 10fps, would certainly be a competitor to the Nikon D3. If the AF works and ISO6400 is good enough to use, it could turn things around again. Specs sound good, and would not suprise me if they were true.
you physically cannot put an ef-s lens onto a EF only mount camera for a reason, the back focus distance in the the EF-S (electro focus short) lenses is shorter, you’d impact the mirror on the first exposure, and it would be game over
we know sony has backlit CMOS, they will publish a new ff beat canon in ISO at any time.
Looks like people are quite optimistic and excited by the rumors surrounding the 1D4 and 60D. This excitement will last… until Nikon comes up with something even MORE compelling. :D
The different frequency regulations all over the world are a very good point. I missed it at first, thanks for reminding me. :)
=> Yet another reason for not having WiFi in-camera.
Cellphones? Come on, get real. What kind of video can you shoot with a cell phone, sitting some dozen meters away from the playing field, compared to a full HD camera right on sideline and supported by a lens range from 14mm to 800mm?
What about a higher x-sync? FF sounds very good to me.
You’re right, it certainly means that full-frame sensor reached the yield threshold of mass production, and it becomes more expensive to produce few APS-H sensors than do mass production of full-frame sensors.
if the 1dm5 is going to be FF then canon might as well make a new 1dm5s or whatever you (or them, Canon) want to call it, a medium format, larger sensor type camera, sure they might have to make new lenses, but it is the only way they are going to stay ahead or keep up… the latest digital backs are becoming cheaper and bigger and within 5 years we will buy a digital back doing 150MP for the less than $5000… who will want to pay 5k for a 32MP FF then?
This sounds just about ideal. Dual CF slots (as opposed to mixed format) would be the icing on the cake.
In the old day, you have to wonder about what film you have to choose for the situation. Those day, camera bodies compete mainly on usability and durability, but not image quality. Digital camera body now adds image quality into the decision. There’s always tradeoff between having the highest resolution/image quality vs. low light capability. Until they can do effective pixel binding, one camera body will not fit everyone needs (independent of price). Given than companies always find ways to differentiate different products and forcing consumers to spend more, I don’t think we will see good pixel binding any time soon.
In the mean time, those who cannot afford multiple bodies or lens systems will continue to claim their is the best and trash other people’s choice. That what the Internet brings.
of course, but in this way the LCD become black, camera don t make the real preview of picture but the light in lens.
50D is the perfect for you. 15MP, 1.6x and 6fps. That is plenty. I bet it is very sharp with tele primes
It doesnt matter… Today, a video”grapher” can get a license to take photographs in an event and shoot HD video with his 5DII. But he doesnt. And the 5DII can do sports to, ok maybe not like a 1D but still.
We should see hundreds of movie already on the web of sport event but we dont. Does this meen they dont exist? No. They are just not publish because as a photographer, if you want to get paid or have a job, you do what;s written in your contract. Meaning you are hired to take photos and not video and propably the contract also state you are prohibited to sell or distribute videos.
Care to explain what this “backlit CMOS” is? because all I see is another marketing bull**** from Sony.
Then, Nikon people will get excited with their new toys until Canon comes up with something even MORE compelling.
It’s a wheel, keeps turning. Just like new car models, video games consoles and HDTVs.
I’m not a photo professionnal. Photography is a passion only for me. My 1DII is 5y old now and still perform like brand new. Of course it doesnt have all the new improvement made in the course of those 5 years but i’ll keep it will be a great backup.
Running in circle for perfection is like chassing your tail. You’re never gonna catch it. So better just take whatever camera you have close to you and make something great out of it.
I agree but at the same time, I can upload a CF card at the same time as a SD card in my computer (1 slot of each). If it’s a dual CF setup, It will take me twice the time to upload the pics in my laptop :)
So I kinda have mixed feeling, couple with the fact I have some SD card already. Not the fastest but still.
Thank you, jaco!
That’s how it is with current EF mount cameras, but the Nikon D3 and D3x support 1.5x crop DX format lenses automatically and mask the viewfinder view accordingly. I’m suggesting that Canon figure out how to do the same thing.
We don’t see those movies because the pro shooters are still using their 1-series bodies. The 5D isn’t a sports camera for pro shooters, period. Nothing against the camera’s fine capabilities, but there’s a sizable difference and it matters.
I suspect higher x-sync and FF are polar opposites, unfortunately.
It’s not weather sealed particularly well, the auto-focus doesn’t rival the 1DIIn or 1DsIII, the viewfinder is not 100%. Three things that could be improved with the 60D, but Canon probably won’t do those things with the xxD line. Maybe, they will and I’ll happily eat mud. So I am hoping that the 1D4 can a) accept EF-s lenses and b) sports a 1.6x crop factor for reach. I know, I know the arguments for a bigger sensor and manual cropping. I’m well aware. Nikon offers this feature for a reason. So should Canon.
They’ve been talking about this for a year now:
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200806/08-069E/index.html
Seems targeted at video cams and compact digicams. But who knows?
For wildlife the 50D (minus the weather sealing and AF) is a great camera.
With it I can have a 480/2.8 and 640/2.8.
Also I can use an 8lbs 800/4.0.
Not to mention that killer, expensive ($10k), 1280/5.6.
The AF is almost good enough, and with the promise of better AF to come eventually and with the competition putting better and better sealing we could see a near ideal wildlife camera come this fall.
So we get no gain in pixel density from the 1DIII to 1DIV, not a huge deal, by it being full frame and 16MP we have our landscape and high ISO back (I used to cary a 1DsII and xxD bodys) it just happens to be a fast camera this time. And if we get an upgraded 1.6 crop camera we will have nothing to complain about. I for one would love to have two bodies both about 16MP, both shooting quick, both with dialed in AF, great wether sealing, one that has the beauty of FF, and one that adds to my reach 1.6X’s.
If Wifi does not get added to camera, then I want SD so I can send a medium res JPG to the SD card and have a wireless SD card zap my files off. Then keep the good stuff on the CF card.
If they build in good Wifi that can take what CF card 2 is given then dual CF is fine with me.
Although my card wallet can hold 4CF and 4SD at the same time. Waterproof Gepe wallets are nice but space for only 4CF’s would leave me carrying two wallets often. Having 4SD 8GB and 4CF 8GB is a nice thing :) But the little stuff you make due with, to have a camera that helps you do your job better.
@Carl LOL
@Gusto we can hope, and in terms of larger LCD screens – wifi and a laptop on site for those in need of bigger screens makes sense to me.
But the pixel density on the 50D is far smaller than it would be on the 1D; it is pixel density and its the degree to which it outresolves the lens (lines/mm) that matter.
I agree. The only camera I own that takes SD cards is my G10. I find them too small and would much prefer dual CF slots.
Responding to Christian, I’ve never seen a laptop that had a CF card reader built in, which means that I have to buy a separate card reader if I have any CF cards. If I have to buy one, then I can buy two. They’re cheap and fairly small.
I use a 40gig portable hard drive with CF slot to tranfers my pics from the card to my laptop. The HDD also has a SD slot and the laptop has a SD slot too.
Dont get me wrong, I prefer CF cards hehe. But i’ll have to get another CF card reader if they go dual CF slots in the MKIV.
WTF…
no, I used that on my camera yesterday, be sure you have the liveview option, to autoadjust, not simulate exposure, or maybe the otherway around, depending on exactly what you’re doing, the joystick doesn’t do anything with DOF, though a second might be nice.
Given the limited lens line up from Mamiya or Hasselblad and the extra size, I don’t think Canon is in any danger from them and has no reason to build a new lens mount and body format.
They might do rebates but I doubt a price drop.
Dang, my insurance wouldn’t cover the human-card implant…
That it was.
I understand.
Realize this, the nikon DX lenses both use F mount with the same back focus distance as their 35mm/FX lenses.
Canon chose to make a shorter back focus distance, and a different mount, it conceptually allows them to create better performing lenses more easily. Nikon did not choose this route.
So you can’t put EF-S lenses on a Canon FF or APS-H body because in order to get the lens to focus any image at all on the body it would have to be inside the mirror box, which would destroy the mirror by impacting it with the rear of the lens.
Its not that Canon can’t figure out how to do it, its just that when they were designing the EF-S lens concept and mount they made a decision that prevents them from doing it with their current EF-S lens design system.
So basically to copy Nikon in that regard it would be necessary to redesign all EF-S lenses, and currently produced versions would still be incompatible.
(It would actually be simple, basically move the rear telephoto group farther from the film plain and put a normal EF mount on them)
I don’t think pro sports is a serious use for DSLR video where broadcast TV is being done. I think they’ll use the 10 fps burst mode for that. But it could be handy for photo journalists to have video as an option.
Realize this, the nikon DX lenses both use F mount with the same back focus distance as their 35mm/FX lenses.
Canon chose to make a shorter back focus distance, and a different mount, it conceptually allows them to create better performing lenses more easily. Nikon did not choose this route.
So you can’t put EF-S lenses on a Canon FF or APS-H body because in order to get the lens to focus any image at all on the body it would have to be inside the mirror box, which would destroy the mirror by impacting it with the rear of the lens.
Its not that Canon can’t figure out how to do it, its just that when they were designing the EF-S lens concept and mount they made a decision that prevents them from doing it with their current EF-S lens design system.
So basically to copy Nikon in that regard it would be necessary to redesign all EF-S lenses, and currently produced versions would still be incompatible.
(It would actually be simple, basically move the rear telephoto group farther from the film plain and put a normal EF mount on them)
The framerate of DSLR HD video is really not ideal for sports, especially compared to the broadcast HD cameras.
Yep, the 5D2 is not a sports camera. Also the framerate on its video is ok, but not ideal for sports.
bringing up another point, the fact that Ds and MF cameras aren’t direct competitors, they definitely have an overlapping market, but MF is for ultimate quality, at the expense of mobility and speed, the Ds type cameras retain 35mm classic advantage of being reasonable portable and quick and flexible
point.
I think the 1D MK4 will have a ISO of 100-12,800 Extended to 50, 25,600, 51,200. And will be 1 full stop better in noise compared to 5D MK2. The date September/October.
I dont think the 1Ds has quite hit MF quality yet – but I think the 1Ds4 probably will.
MF film, I assume? if so I agree. If you think digital, I say ha, two generations older, yeah, but not contemporary
iso is the most important and new 24-70L IS
sport photography are not all tele tele thingings
Well, if this doesn’t happen anytime soon, I’ll be selling all my Canon gear for Nikon…. I’ve already been shopping….
I didn’t buy the MkIII because of all the focus issues, but have also wanted FF. Don’t care whether I have to buy new lenses. My MkIIN is long in the tooth now and just can’t keep up with the D3 or D700 in the IQ stakes….
Anyone want to buy some lenses?
400 2.8
300 2.8
70-200 2.8
135 2.0
100 2.8
24-70 2.8
16-35 2.8
85 1.2
2 x 580EX
1 x MT24EX
…and more….
C’mon Canon, get it together. lets see a better camera than the 1D MkIII
Bazza…
Still going on about this?
Diffraction and big pixels are both bad for resolution, having them both in the same package is a catastrophe for getting high detailed shots.
MF Digital will always be capable of better image quality than DSLR’s, so yes, the comparison is of film.
“later this week” is also here :)
Canon’s decision on the EF-S lenses makes perfect sense. Buyers of FF bodies are not going to be impressed with the cheap production quality of EF-S and are unlikely to buy them anyway (why spend $2500 + on your body only to cheap out where it matters most? It’s like people who put a $10 UV filter on their L glass – talk about maroons), and they are optimized for 1.6 sensors.
Ditto…if they could add a new body line I’d like that 1.6 in a pro weather sealed body.
hope it s goin to be under 5000 euros!!!!!
+1
Sweet collection btw.
any more 1D4 info???
It´s the end of the week…
Working week anyway
cmoooooooooon
1DsMKIV will be a 36x36mm sensor – thats right, not MF, but SF (square format) and 51mp.
Lots of room for creative cropping of landscapes and magazine ads.
Where is the more information?
Please get us more 1D4 info, i need my fix (sad i know)
Must be a long week………..
Yes it is!
do you have any release date already?
Canon Ds MK4 Look for June 2009_Release — with 4 digi,5s—12 frames a second —full frame— 50000 ISO
WTF?
Its actually will be called the Canon EOS D MK 5 Sport Camera. If all goes as planned it will be anounced the first part of June 2009. It will have FOUR Digi 5 processors to Handle All The Capture Data and ONE MORE processor for the camera funtions,,auto focus exposure etc,,,for a total of FIVE,, so it is the Mark 5. The #4 is not a lucky # in Japan. After all the fixes on the MK4 it really is a MK5 #5. 12 frames a second at least. Full Frame.. ISO maxing out at 50,000,,IT has has to be full frame for that ISO,, bigger pixel sites needed. It has to do all listed above to out step Nikon and be the best Camera ever. It will cost about 6,500 and be worth ever penny. Aprox 18 Megga Pixel. The Studio EOS Ds MK 5 will be about a 39 megga pixel Camera coming about 8 months after the D MK 5 Sport Camera..
lay off the pipe dude.
Zac,, You are not going to belive how close to target the MK5 Sport Camera specs I listed will ARE .. Canon has to be the THE ONE every one has to catch up to.. the specs are just a mild step up from the mark 3 The MK5 studio camera will be less than 4 months later,not 8. Ps its peepalenaa not the pipe, if you are a true local..on the north shore.. Want to know about the new canon after the MK5? /??? OR DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THE WORLD IS FLAT?
Did you pass 5th grade English grammar? I’m genuinely curious. This is your third all but incoherent response that contradicts every credible shred of info I have read about this camera, as well as common sense, previous trends, and my own intuition. So in short, I don’t think you’re anywhere near the mark.
What an interesting name for your drug of choice, but you see I’m not a north shore native, I represent 904, DUval.
The world is technically flat at the North and South Poles
Zac ,,sorry when I fast type my grammar translation and spellen native Japaneeeeezz tends to dominate . But any way,, I sure get a kick out of under stating what I worked on.. If I was to tell U the actual specs of the mk5 it would really surprise U. All the specs I gave are a bit low.. Very soon. You will here about the worlds best camera the Canon EOS D MK5_..So start saving Your $$$. Kauus U Will Want one..Ps thanks YOU made me laugh..maybe I should try some 904..
Zac what camera,, Nikon or Canon,, will come out with an image stabalized boby fist.?? Both are working on it!!!So you can use non is lens, and have that most needed help.>Ps Iknow but not telling!! What to see a proto tpye body?? Want to visit Japan?? Common sense says its coming!!PS Does 904 tast good?
He is on the new form of crystal meths called mk5
Hi Bigwave, I just had a chance to read your MARK 5 camera Specs. WOW,, I hope you are right!! If it is true, the Mark 5 is going to be one super camera. I dont see why the Mark 5 studio version wont be about 40 mega pixels ,the 50d that is out now is 15 mega pixel and its not even half frame 35, so I think you are on the money. Canon really needs to be the big cheese and if it wants to stay on top it will need to be bigger better and faster in all respects. Mk1 was 8 frames a second – mk2 was 10 frames a second – mk5 could easy be 12 frames a second. The iso at 50,000 would be a step above Nikon, so that could be real, as long as Canon keeps the chip full frame using extra sensitive big pixel sites. Extra large files would need more processors like you said,so the extra cost would be there. I think you are very close to what is coming in the next thirty days??. When will we know for sure? can you give us an actual date? Will it have video?
You wont need drugs if you get a Mark 5 , Its going to be such a HI.!! Nikon might kaus they going into deep second place very soon. Canon ROCKS.
Zac I miss your Kill the messenger replys.
Im on the mark BIB TIME,with a few surprises not yet told.
Hi Dave August at the worst,,If all goes well June or very first part of July,, only glitches would slow its announcment.Video ,,very good chance,,but me not involved with that almost at all ,some of that is due to tv people. It will have a few other really cool items ,but in all just save your money Kaus it is going to be the best Camera Ever.It will cost a bit more than last MK3_yen vs green here in USA, and you are getting a hole lot more of a camera.
Also wanted to say It is a SUPER PRO CAMERA ,CANON ROCKS!!! this camera will help Zac not need now mispelt grug,, ??Do you know what 904 is??
BIG WAVE are you sure the Mark 5 will be full frame?
Full frame It has to be, other wise its just the same same as before. Tell me what Pro wants to buy a prosumer camera and pay Pro Price. Also you dont waste lens and you get bigger pixels that low light iso has to have. Iso has to be better than Nikon or you have the same same, so expect 50000 ISO. The only good thing about not full frame (if pixel density is the same) is shutter speed sync speed,,aprox 250 of a second vs aprox 200. Now to fix that just get rid of the shutter!!!!! Let the chip turn on and off at the correct shutter speed and WOW. Huge savings,not having a shutter,,they are expensive and old teck. Check out the bleeeding edge Panasonic Lumix G1 ,no prism ,,that soon will also be main streem,,Huge cost savings not including a prism.. Now will the Mk5 have this teck in it or will it be the MK7 alot depends on the after concept design costs but this is coming,,on new State of the Art Cameras.. Also video from a full frame chip is most good and this tpe of camera will take over the film industry (Better than the Red Camera), now being used in HollyWood. Ps sorry bout my sentace structures not to bad if you speek Japnenglish.
In Japan ,last week I talked to a sales rep from Canon.. He said the DMK4 should be out in August or Sept. It Might have as many as 28 Mega pixels and might shoot at 14 frames a second with an iso of 100,000. He said it will be better than the best Nikon out there.
Many professional photographers shooting Canon gear for commercial purposes will agree that the 1Ds3 has already become their replacement for MF.
Not the 1D2; at least not in Canada, where the CPS price nearly $7000
You’re forgetting that it is a CROP factor, not a magnification factor. Crop factors do not deliver a better image; if you want a crop, then shoot at FF (or the closest to it) and crop your image in ACR/Photoshop.
A 1D side-by-side with a 1Ds, both with a 300mm F2.8L lens will capture the same image, only the 1D will have a CROPPED image (not any more magnified than the 1Ds).
Get your head out of your ass.
…and i think you’ve got the inside track on this, considering most thought it’d be today for the announcement ;)
Played with a new 1D4 have you?
wow…suddenly all the talkers are quiet…
anticipation?
stumped?
Eos Mark 5 48 Mega Pixel — 30×36 Full Frame PLUS cmos ———————————————————- External wire connected to belt buffer with 400 gig hard drive—————————————————–12 frames a second for full time shooting ——–electronic view finder better in low light and bright lite alot like panasonic camera of the year G1 ——-shutterless body,, cmos turns on and off no shutter needed—-image stabalized body for non i s lens in their line up–iso to 100,000 in extended 3 mode —————————move mode that is state of the art
After all – Lenses ARE ROUND, Square format only makes sense in capturing the most from each shot (short of going round.)
Wonder if about the lenses with the exotic hoods, sounds like they wouldn’t be compatible.
Still a sea of silence… Where is this beautiful new überfantastic new body?? I think I have to look for it in my bedroom… ;-)
Seriously, come on Canon! Bring us the promised land!
Dennis — Its now maybe as long away as PMA with the EOS MK5 CANON Super camera,,, Glitches slowed it down ,,they will make it perfect..before release.. just hold on to your cash cause your going to want it !!! You gotta have it!!! your going to get it!!! the 7D is just a taste of the good stuff to be in this NEW CANON BODY.. the new sensor with gap less len(s) over the pixels are producing the best image quality from any canon sensor so far. the auto focus will be about 5 time as fast as nikon. it will also have the fastest motor drive. Alot of firsts will be in this new CANON. The mega pixel count will step over nikon BIG TIME.. So just save your green and think about selling of the nikon antiques!!! before no one will buy them!!
Big Wave,,or is it minnie wave?? Looks like Canon cant pull it together ,,RUMOR has it they have a problem with there MK what ever##– AUTO FOCUS AGAIN and thats why they are pulling out of PMA 2010.. in Anaheim. Also you may wish to buy a new NIKON D4 or D3s because by the time Canon gets to the starting block the RACE WILL BE OVER!! Also heard the new Canon had so many buttons on it that the testers could not figure out how to turn it on!!!Maybe they never turned on the AUTO FOCUS BUTTONS 80 or was it 90?? to make it work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PS now is the time to switch to NIKON!! and here is a great name for the never to come out MK o o
Stevo dont go and buy a nikon just yet ..Very Very soon you gonna see the worlds best Canon kick some serious DONKY .You gonna have to sell that nikon antique you just bought new!! and you gonna loose some serious green . It maybe shown in the next few weeks..YES YES YES YES YES
1D Mark 4 coming tuesday????!!!??
Steve this is BIG WAVE ,,The mk4 canon is out and I have to say IM AM BUMMED ON ITS SPECS.. It is now time for me to buy the NIKON D3s!! … This is just an unfixed mk3 camera to try to keep up with NIKON ..It is not the all the plugs pulled out camera I was working on.. The UNLUCKY DEATHNELL unfixed mk4 canon is here …… Its time for NIKON . ..I am so bummed,, The mk4 IS A LOOOOSER!!! not even a 3 second burst in RAW!! Thats Just RETArTED!!!!!CANON YOU BLEW IT!!!! NOT BEING FULL FRAME IS ALSO RETArTED. The 7D is an equal to the RETArTED MICCKY MOUSE mk4 JOKE!!!!! canon YOU BLEW IT!!!!!!! canon YOU BLEW IT!! NIKON MAKE A D3s FOR ME..!! It is time to change to NIKON! PS canon you BLEW IT,, YOUr SO OFF THE TARGET I CANNOT BELIVE IT!!!!!Ps Im glad i dont work on your CAMERAS ANY MORE !! AND im NOT BUYING YOUR UNLUCKY UNFIXED EXPENSIVE ~~~~@!!!! YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL,,,, YOU BLEW IT ..YOUR LACK SALES WILL SHOW YOU HOW UNLUCKY THE NUMBER 4 IS!!!!! YOU BLEW IT canon !!!! WATCH HOW MANY BLACK NIKON LENS YOU SEE ON THE SIDE LINES,, SHOW UP.. and see if any white ones are around in a year .. DID I SAY CANON YOU BLEW IT AND IM AM BUMMMMMMMED ,,I was a canon man and you made me change!!!!!!I WAS WAITING FOR A retaRted already out dated miCKY mOUse mk4 for WAY TO LONG,,but its ok I guess becase the nikon D3S will be out before the unfix mk4..
THE only hope left for canon is that MK 5 (5yes5)_Ds studio camera gets its act together. Hopefully before I get a NIKON Your making COKE BOTTLE GLASS out of my collection (was good but nothing to attach it to) I have just started looking at Sony because they make Nikons Chip..And some BEST OF CLASS GLASS. The mk4 is canons bad luck for sure..4 means bad luck and death,,in Japan.. This ReTaRtEd mk4 is what the mk3 should have been!!!! canon you are now a FIRST PLACE LOOOOOSER… ,,,its a poor excuse for new tech.. The 7D is better for the buck… I just cannot believe ,,you put out this JOKE ,,its almost like you want to loose..
the mk4 IS A LOOSER!!!
NOW YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND NOW HOW UPSET I AM AT canons piece of TRASH FIRST PLACE LOOOOOSER Camera they just announced!!!! IT would not surprise me if canon put more thought into where they could put more buttons on the bad luck camera than to make it a great camera.. FIRST PLACE LOOOSER CAMERAS DONT SELL WELL BECAUSE THEY SUCK!!!!!! oh maybe you need some more BUTTONS AND PAINT THEM A PRETTY COLOR IT WILL MAKE THE CAMERA WORK BETTER!!!!! YES THAT WILL HELP SALES TOO,, YOU GUYS AT CANON ARE BoZo ReTaRdS..PS THE d mk4 is a JOKE and IT DID NOT HAVE TO BE…
BIG WAVE Dont fret I have a friend who has seen the CANON MK4 DS at an event being tested 10 frames a second FULL FRAME LIKE IT SHOULD BE>!!!!!!!!.!!! Now that doesnt mean it will have iso at 100,ooo but you can hope so… If not it will be time for Nikon.. THE PHOTOGRAPHER WAS HIDING IT BIG TIME BUT MY FRIEND VIEWED IT WITH A LONG LENS,,AND THEN GOT BEHIND IT AND HEARD THE SWEET SOUND OF TEN FRAMES A SECOND!!!! Yes maybe Canon doesnt want to be a first place looser rEtArD,,I love how you express your self!!Hope you dont mind that I copied your expresssion.. Also just to let you know the 7D will sell better than the MK4..And I really think Canon should not call it a MK4,,really bad Idea here in Japan Death and bad luck.. It really is, setting up for ,poor sales for the mk4. ,,The Nikon is just alot better and the MK4 is just a fix it MK3.. The hi tech Items you talked are coming like you said,, but may be the next next generation,..
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I’m looking to purchase a Canon 1 D mark 4 for entire video footage of rugby events. Would this camera perform as will as a Canon XH-AIS 1080i HDV video recorder. If not what do you recomend !! Is the Canon mark 4 compatible with the nikon lenses.
Your comments in this regards!!!