EOS-1D in 2009
From a pretty reliable source, I’m told to expect a new 1D announcement in the August/September timeframe. The camera will ship in limited quantities by October 2009.
I wasn’t given any info on specs, just that it’s coming.
New lenses?
Yes, expect a couple of updates to big white ones.
Do not expect any consumer grade lenses this time around.
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CR guy… when with the big white ones?
Should I wait or buy 5D mark II and upgrade later?
That sounds a little late if the Cameras are to be in photographers hands and well tested for the Olympics. Time is needed to use the cameras first, and to get any bugs fixed. I wouldn’t want to be bringing a brand new camera to a event that my job depended on.
I totally agree. After the 1D3 experience, everyone would want to be comfortable before committing.
That’s 4-5 months. That’s an eternity in technology. The only thing I see as an issue is to make sure they can meet demand.
Now if only there was a rumor of one of those big whites being a 200-400/4.0
“Do not expect any consumer grade lenses this time around.”
LOL, since when does Canon cares for anybody other than pros?
“From a pretty reliable source” [CR3]
I’m confused, you said the same thing about a new Rebel this PMA with HD, 15MP etc.
So did you confront your ” reliable source ” about the Rebel 500 that now has become no more. I would personally like to know what that person has to say for themselves.
This should be a [CR2].
Anyhow love the craziness’s of all the rumors, just not the disappointments…
Hank B
Photo Dynamics Inc.
Oh just typical!!! I am going round the world from June through to November and wanted the best camera for the job…..hoping it would be a mk4. But now this!!!
Oh well, come on you mk3 and hope that the mk4 isn’t too much better :-)
I’d kill for a non DO F4 400 prime. Never going to happen I know – but that would make my day and I’d have it in a flash.
Hello CR guy, you beat me to it !
I was going to write to you today with the same information; I have a reliable source here in France who told me yesterday that the Mark 4 will be available in the fourth quarter of 2009.
Best wishes from France, Dave.
Even without solid evidence, that timeframe is the only logical option if Canon wishes to bring out a new 1D in time for the Olympics.
I’m curious to see what the price premium will be on the “big whites.”
Good point
I wonder what is a non-consumer grade lens.
Is a 100-400L or a 35 L II considered has one or not ?
Because I’d really like an update on these two ones ;-)
but isn’t it still possible for the 500D to be announced at the PMA event ?
all L glass is considered pro –
Honestly can’t see what they can do with the 35 to make it much better and definitely not 700 dollars better (assuming the current price jumps continue from version 1 to II on the canon primes)
The 100-400 has been in need for years but I’d really rather see it be a 200 – 400 or 200 – 500
I don’t think so. You could see it in late spring like the XS last year.
I’m getting no info from anyone that there will be a PMA launch.
There’s also a strong possibility the camera was ready to go, but the plug was pulled for economic reasons.
I still believe in the technical information I received about the camera.
You’re joking right?
HOW many entry level cameras are there???
Canon put more effort into the bottom end than the top, that’s for sure.
Screw it all, I just bought a 1DsII for $2400. Unless Canon comes out with a Full Frame camera that can shoot above 5fps, I’m keeping my MKII for a long time.
or a 200-500/5.6 IS ;)
agreed! 200-500/5.6 IS… i keep screaming about this lens… maybe one day (soon i hope)
i get the feeling we might see another cam based on the 21mp sensor with a digital crop mode and a really high frame rate…. just seems logical since they’ve got that sensor figured out in terms of noise and IQ and the pixel density is still relatively reasonable (same as 20D)
Creating the 1DmkIV with a user selectable digital crop from 1.3 to full frame at the cost of speed would rock! I just hope the price doesn’t venture too far from the current 1DmkIII price.
I’d prefer a 3D, same form factor as the 5d2 but with the specs it should have had. ;)
i hope they keep the new one at 10mp, no need for anymore!
not a chance…not with the d3 being 12mp….
The Winter Olympics are the appetizer on the world stage compared to next summer’s World Cup. The real push is to get Canon back on the upswing in South Africa after the inroads Nikon made in last fall’s Summer Olympics.
Did your source give any clue as to specs?
I was talking about lenses
My 5DII has added creative inspiration after owning a 5D for three years; already got 10K images thru this new one. The build quality may have slipped a tad tho.
Curious if Canon will ever have an integrated answer to Nikon’s CLS.
200-400/4.0L (heck DO if they want) then I can put on a 1.4TC II and have a 280-560/5.6 and even do a 2.0TC II in a pinch and have a 400-800/8.0.
The 200-500/5.6 would be interesting at 280-700/8.0; but when you get a greater zoom range something has to give (IQ/size/weight/price.) Nikon has shown that the 200-400/4.0 can be good, now we need Canon to make it great. And give us a new 1D too ;)
Hi!
I’ve been on a workshop with a pro who works for Canon in EMEA and he said, while talking about pro cameras and AF systems, “… like the new mk4 which we’ll see around October, initial November…”
here you go
Sounds good. Hope its Full Frame.
The pros who would use and appreciate this camera for the most part aren’t eager for a full frame camera. The 1/3 crop is just fine, thank you. The 1D (non-s) series cameras are favored by sports and wildlife photographers with the big white lenses who value all the reeach they can get. The speed, ruggedness, and autofocus with f8 lenses (500 and 600 f4’s with a 2x or the 800 with a 1.4x) are major selling points for 1D series cameras. More megapixels is what a 1D mark4 needs and not a whole lot else.
– Although there is no specs about the new model, can we be “certain” if it will be a 1D/1Ds Mark III update, or a totally New 1D Mark IV (or V if Canon skips the IV) ??
– Since it would be aimed for Pros to cover olympics, can we discard or still think it could include Movie / Video mode ?
– And for the same reason, considering there is already a 1D Mk III (~10MP), should we expect this new model to be around 20 MP (to beat Nikon D3) ?
Actually, there are a good number in EF-S mount (10-22, 17-85, 60mm macro) and the ones for film, 20-35, 24-85, 28-135 are still in production, or in the case of the 20-35 went out very recently. Also, Canon is good with not terribly expensive but very nice primes, 85 1.8 and 100 2.0, and 100 2.8 macro coming to mind. Furthermore, the 70-200 f/4L is a very solid lens which currently costs less than the 18-200 IS. So yeah, You are kidding right? because Canon offers a better selection of glass for amateurs/ budget (bottom-tier) pros than almost anyone and the prices are reasonable.
The fact that the D3 is Full Frame which is the 1D equivelent, would make the chances of Canon going FF quite high. Nikon now has 3 FF cameras and have now overtaken Canon in that regard. Will be interesting to see what Canon do, as Nikon has throwen the cat among the pidgens!
I woiuld be disappointed if they sacrificed image quality by upping the resolution to 20MP on an APS-H sensor. Heck, I wouldn’t wish 20MP on FF. The bigger photosites the better! Besides, it’s less taxing on the glass! :)
Around 15MP would be sweet.
Im wishing for an upgrade to the 24-70f/2.8 to a 20-75f/2.8 or something like that…. that lens has to get wider and im sold… but for now i will just wait
I’ll second that, a 20-75 2.8 IS L would be the lens of my dreams. Even if it was £2000, i would buy it.
No 24mm-equivalent zoom for APS-C cameras. And BTW, the 17-85mm stinks.
i would hardly ever take that lens off my camera…
If image and build quality would be on par or perhaps even better than the current 24-70 2.8L, then count me in! They could charge a fortune for that lens and still sell it :)
My local camera shop just had a price drop of 500.00 on the 1DMkIII to 4000.00 Cdn, only a 1000.00 more than the 5DMkII,,,,damn choices!!
Complete defeats
– high ISO quality: D3 >>>>>>>> 1D3
– wide zoom quality: 14-24 >>>>>>>> 16-35, even primes… QQ
Dear Canon… u MUST do something for these fatal weakness until we say goodbye.
They’re aware, have you noticed the gapless microlenses in the 50D, it let them increase the resolution by 1.5x and keep the same to slightly better noise. When they up the sensor size to FF, and add the better microlenses, even increasing resolution to 15MP (personal guess based on resolution relation b/w MkII to 20D/30D, and the MkIII to the 40D) will give them more than 2 stops on the MkIII before improved processing algorithms are accounted for (those do make a little difference). Also, ahve you seen tests of the 24mmm f/1.4L USM II ? because they are absolutely stellar. Canon is flexing their wide-angle optics department lately. I don’t expect it to stop until they match the 14-24.
Sorry for my low level english.
> 50D’s gapless microlenses + increase square for 1D size
Optimistically, I agree. I don’t care about 1.3 FOVCF of current 1D design. FF’nised 1D have no problem for me at all, cuz implement crop mode is easy part I imagine.
Also increase the size of pixel is good for earn the photon more, just like D3’s design. Somehow they idiotically misguided, they squash more pixels up whichever we need or not… I hope engineer don’t lose sales department who need just numbers of their catalogue.
However my main concern is BSI CMOS imager, especially Sony’s one. Nikon can use Sony’s imager but I don’t hear rumor about Canon’s progress so maybe it makes increase more the gap of high ISO quality in the near future. http://www.semiconductor.net/blog/200000420/post/720031072.html
> Canon is flexing their wide-angle optics department lately
Really? Nice to hear that. The picture of the new 24/1.4 is looks nice, but I thought it is just mutation… So they know their dead angle. I’ll hold off a decision on that until picture of the new TS-E thing showed up to us.
>the gapless microlenses in the 50D, it let them increase the resolution by 1.5x and keep the same to slightly better noise
I’ve not personally used the 50D, but both DPR and DXO state that (high ISO) noise is worse than the 40D. Sure, the afficianados claim that the higher resolution means you can downsample, but what’s the point of 15MP then?
No it doesn’t.
i couldn’t disagree with you more.
I’m a pj, and pretty much everyone i know wants the new 1D to be full frame. And there are many times where sports togs (i shoots sport too) need fps and a proper wide angle. 16mm and 1.3x sometimes isn’t wide enough.
And the last thing we want is more mega pixels. High iso performance is what we want! Keep it less than 15mp and have amazing low light performance.
Well, it just goes to show you that there is no one-size-fits-all camera that Canon could come out with. I’m a bird photographer who values the 1/3 crop and also wants more pixels. 10.1 is OK for many purposes, but 15-20 would be better and would be easier to market to some segments (e.g. calendars). I wouldn’t buy a camera that couldn’t autofocus my 600+2x or 800+1.4x. If I could, I would even ask for more, such as all AF points being available at f8 and the center point being usable at f11 for the 800+2x. I think on terms of how far away can I be to a small songbird to get x amount of pixels on the subject without having to crop much. I bang my cameras around, so ruggedness is a top priority and well as frame rate and lack of shutter lag. I consider something like the 5D to be worthless for my uses.
What camera shop is this?
Always wait and never buy – this will save you big bucks…
Hilarious! Haha I’m going to start telling people that.